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Title: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on October 16, 2007, 09:02:37 PM
WHY FREE ENERGY IS SUPPRESSED


?Nick Cook's work takes him from hangar floors to press conferences in "power-soaked corridors of the Pentagon". Looking into the eyes of people who work on classified programs, he intuitively knows that the secret they hide is so big that no one person knows all the pieces. "I knew, too, that whatever it was, the secret had a dark heart, because I could smell the fear that held it in place.?

Jeane Manning.  Hunt for ?Free? Energy Approached Mainstream.  As published in Atlantis Rising magazine February 2002


The people who have access to [these advanced energy technologies] don?t know how to let go of it because they are afraid of who is going to get their hands on it.  Even though there would be a tremendous benefit to mankind, they are worried that someone could take that same energy source and do the equivalent of what they did with the USS Cole ? instead of blowing a hole in the side, they could just obliterate the whole ship?

Paul Czysz.  The Disclosure Project Briefing Document.  Page 341


?There was a case of a Canadian fellow who had developed a technology for producing enough power to power your house, out of something about the size of a shoe box.  It was a new way of wiring something up -  some kind of non linear device.  He was very open about it and [about] publicizing it.  One day his house was surrounded by SWAT teams and all his equipment was confiscated.  He was arrested on the grounds that he was harboring terrorist technology or weaponry, and he was released only after he signed something that said that he would not continue doing work in this area.   Now he is mowing lawns for a living?.?

Doctor Paul Violette.  The Disclosure Project Briefing Document.  Page 349


?Much work and time will be needed to develop a model that can be supplied without danger to everyone, even to lay persons.?

Sepp Hasslbergers transcription of  the Methernitha commune?s YouTube Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOWPJEq42l4


Tutt visited the Swiss communards who believe humankind is still too warlike to be given the commune?s free-energy knowledge. He says the Methernitha community continues its work on larger generators, ?apparently waiting for the time when humanity proves itself to be more than simply human?.

Jeane Manning.  Hunt for ?Free? Energy Approached Mainstream.  As published in Atlantis Rising magazine February 2002


One possible solution is that the discovery be kept secret and controlled by a central authority like atomic power.  Until we grow up spiritually we would not have complete freedom for energy use.

Moray B King.  Quest For Zero Point Energy.  Page 211


The few "progressives" within Bilderberg and within the National Security apparatus of the U.S. have as their objective that the world's conflicts be ended, and that thus, there be no temptation to weaponize Star Visitor technology, before such high-tech such as zero-point energy devices are allowed to go into public circulation.

Richard Boylan.  The Bilderbergers, the Star Visitors and World Peace.  http://www.drboylan.com/bldrbg2.html


?Of course a number of insiders of these insiders have pointed out that these technologies are not your grandfather?s Oldsmobile: they are technological advances, like any other, that could be put to violent uses by terrorists, bellicose nations and madmen.  But here we enter a CATCH 22:  If these technologies are not forthcoming soon we face a certain meltdown in human civilization and the environment; if they are disclosed, immensely powerful new technologies will be out there for potentially destructive uses.?

Steven Greer.  Disclosure Project Briefing Document.  Page 12.


?It is obvious that in order for humanity to continue with adequate technologies for long term sustainability, peace is the first requirement.  We are clearly at the point in our evolution where the option to use such technologies for war means the end of our civilization.?

Steven Greer.  Disclosure Project Briefing Document.  Page 341.


? We also understand that some of us, in our spiritually adolescent state, are not ready for this level of powerful technology.

Mission Statement.  Magnetic Energy To Heal the Planet
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: armagdn03 on October 16, 2007, 09:34:25 PM
for lack of a better word..Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Guess ill just give up. lol. as if.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 17, 2007, 07:07:00 AM
the simple answer is CONTROL.

it's not even about money, but control of the people to keep us slaves.

free energy is bigger than guns, money, gangs, etc.

hmmm no wonder they suppress these kind of technologies. 

its sad too because most people have no clue of what free energy is or that it is even possible because it's been suppressed for generations. they dont understand the possibilities of a free energy machine.
it's gotten so bad that if you show the average person a free energy machine they wont know what to do with it, they will probably tell you to take it back because they have to be at work at 7 in the morning ;)

but the good news is that it seems more and more people now is waking up. :)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on October 17, 2007, 07:18:30 AM
the simple answer is CONTROL.

it's not even about money, but control of the people to keep us slaves.

free energy is bigger than guns, money, gangs, etc.

hmmm no wonder they suppress these kind of technologies. 

its sad too because most people have no clue of what free energy is or that it is even possible because it's been suppressed for generations.
it's gotten so bad that if you show the average person a free energy machine they wont know what to do with it, they will probably tell you to take it back because they have to be at work at 7 in the morning ;)

but the good news is that it seems more and more people now is waking up. :)

This gets brought up constantly here, and I do not understand why.  There are plenty of free energy technologies that are not suppressed but instead are promoted by governements, such as wind, water and solar.  The promotion is usually in form of some type of tax break.

If you are talking about overunity technology, well, I do not know how you can suppress information on the Internet.  Anything that can leak out, does leak out.  And despite all that, no one has demonstrated anything close to overunity yet, at least not in replicable form.  And when is the last time you heard of a free energy inventor hauled off to jail or silenced in some other manner?  Chas Campbell, Joseph Newman, John Bedini and whoever else you can name are still alive and well and not in any secret prison.

Fearmongering is not productive and does not help this cause.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 17, 2007, 07:24:26 AM
well yes this is why people are now waking up, because of the internet...

and im not talking about wind, solar, hydro, etc, but real free energy technologies. technologies that are self sustaining, more out than in, over unity.


peace :)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on October 17, 2007, 07:35:50 AM
well yes this is why people are now waking up, because of the internet...

and im not talking about wind, solar, hydro, etc, but real free energy technologies. technologies that are self sustaining, more out than in, over unity.


peace :)

But you must see the contradiction.  Wind, water and solar are equally damaging to the big energy companies.  Surely these would be suppressed also, if the goverment was in a suppressing mood.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: FreeEnergy on October 17, 2007, 07:42:37 AM
wind, solar, hydro, etc are damaging, but it is nothing compared to over unity or self sustaining technologies.

i guess after the internet was born and went commercial there isn't much room left for suppression :) and this is why people are waking up.
the internet can not be stopped, no one owns the internet. open source rules!


peace
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ChileanOne on October 17, 2007, 02:57:49 PM
As the "end of time" approaches, we (mankind) must either:

a) rise to the challenge and be able to handle ourselves in a new paradigm where free energy is just one piece of the equation...

b) destroy ourselves in the attempt.

Until 12/21/2012 is all the time we have left to make our choice. It is the "end of time" for us to complete our collective evolution, or else, start over again, elsewhere, in another life.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on October 17, 2007, 05:49:13 PM
well yes this is why people are now waking up, because of the internet...

and im not talking about wind, solar, hydro, etc, but real free energy technologies. technologies that are self sustaining, more out than in, over unity.


peace :)

But you must see the contradiction.  Wind, water and solar are equally damaging to the big energy companies.  Surely these would be suppressed also, if the goverment was in a suppressing mood.

Those things are not free energy.  They are renewable resources... but not free.  If there was a small, cheap solar collector that would power a car... then it would be "free" energy.  But for now, the investment for Solar is too expensive.
Same thing with hydro and wind power.

So in the case of all three... it requires investment and it requires space and in the case of hydro, it requires the right to damn a river.
In all these cases - it can be controlled and metered.  And that's what the PTB want.

What is suppressed - or would be suppressed is technology that would allow someone to generate enough power to be self-sufficient.

If you could generate unlimited power... then you could move, build, transport, light, heat, cool, and even make water out of the air.  You could grow your own food year round.  You would be completely free.
Aside from whether that technology is possible... the fact is that certain people in this world would kill to stop it... because it would mean an end to their domination of others.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: hansvonlieven on October 18, 2007, 12:57:45 AM
G'day all,

I am not so sure that this is right Elvis, The moment someone builds a genuine free energy device the powers that be will immediately take control via licenses that are required to operate the equipment legally.

There used to be licenses for radio receivers in some countries, how much freer can anything be than radio waves, yet the controls were there. You did not need a license to operate a motor car once upon a time, now there are all sorts of restrictions and fees to pay just to operate your own property. I could go on and on.

I guarantee you one thing, once free energy can be obtained by anyone there will be laws all over the world to regulate the use thereof. And you will have to pay!

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on October 18, 2007, 01:41:18 AM
I agree with you on that - they will license it and control it if they can't supress it.
I was only saying what could be done if you had the tech to do it.  :)

I would say though - that if I had unlimited power - they wouldn't get close enough to me to stop me. :)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ken_nyus on October 18, 2007, 01:54:13 AM
And that is the problem, energy is power, and free energy is unlimited power.

I almost have to agree with the first post, the human race is not ready for unlimited power.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on October 18, 2007, 01:56:33 AM
What is suppressed - or would be suppressed is technology that would allow someone to generate enough power to be self-sufficient.

If you could generate unlimited power... then you could move, build, transport, light, heat, cool, and even make water out of the air.  You could grow your own food year round.  You would be completely free.
Aside from whether that technology is possible... the fact is that certain people in this world would kill to stop it... because it would mean an end to their domination of others.

I could go solar right now and get off the grid.  Ammortized, the capital expenditure would not amount to that much more per month than what I am paying for electricity now, though I would have to get a more energy efficient house and get more efficient light bulbs, etc.  The reason I don't is that a more cost effective solar panel technology is coming out soon.  So the dream is not that far away, and I do not see solar technology being suppressed, or this new breed of solar cells would not be in the making.

Admittedly, it takes a little bit of land to go solar, but in the States, this is not hard to come by if you are willing to live in the suburbs.  I do not know of any regulations stopping me from doing this, though I am sure if I tried to sell energy to my neighbors, I would have to abide by the rules governing that sort of trade.

Anyway, I guess my point is that I do not believe in this suppression business.  This is not the first time in history that a major segment of industry is at risk.  Think voice communications before the Internet, passenger trains before planes, horses before cars, candles before electricity, VHS recorders, TIVO, whatever.  Someone always stands to lose unless they adapt.  To believe in suppression is to assume that all the energy companies around the world are in cahoots with ALL the governments and that all these parties are acting in unison to stamp out seeds of innovation.  Innovation is not so easily suppressed, and the U.S. goverment, at least, has shown no inclination in the past to suppressing any life-improving technology.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: JackH on October 18, 2007, 04:11:51 AM
Hello shruggedatlas,

You are totally sick if you do not beleive that free energy has not been held up.   Free energy is alltogather different than wind or solor power.   Free energy would bring down the big guys to our level.

Later,,,,,,JackH
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: linda933 on October 18, 2007, 04:34:04 AM
Hello shruggedatlas,

You are totally sick if you do not beleive that free energy has not been held up.   Free energy is alltogather different than wind or solor power.   Free energy would bring down the big guys to our level.

Later,,,,,,JackH


Hi JackH!

I understand you are an inventor who works on free energy motors and the like.  Do you have any personal experiences you could share about suppression?  It's always more credible when we can get details straight from the person being suppressed, rather than reading second and third and fourth-hand reports on the web. 

Linda
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: klamathpro on October 18, 2007, 07:50:48 PM
I'll give you the simplest example that affects us all.  Just look at the cost of one single 165W solar panel.  Why the frak does it still cost $800 to manufacture and sell one single 165w solar cell, technology that has been around for decades? It costs over $30,000 to get your home off the grid. By the time you recoup that in savings, you'll be replacing parts, spending more money. If the government wanted us to harness free energy like the sun, they would mandate lower costs to produce these free energy items.  The solar tax credit is a joke, not even covering the cost of the batteries, why not allow a 100% solar tax credit for saving the planet?  States mandate that all lottery ticket profits go to the schools.  If they have that kind of power to decide where a company spends it's profits, why doesn't the government use it's power to give us something back? 

Because you can't tax the sun.
You can't tax the wind.
You can't tax the vacuum.

If it can't be taxed, the government wants nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on October 21, 2007, 02:08:47 AM
If the government wanted us to harness free energy like the sun, they would mandate lower costs to produce these free energy items.

New to economics?  Price controls do not work.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: JackH on October 21, 2007, 02:40:14 AM
Hello linda933,

Well here I go.    Yes I have been treatened around 21 times on the phone.   As far as NY and as close as my home town.   I have been told that to stop on the motor or I would be killed.  Also the last two times I was called it was on my cell phone,  I dont now how they got my cell phone number.   The last two times I was to stop on the motor or my shop would be burnt.

I have placed 5 camerias around the shop to watch it, I have a camera on my drive way to watch out for how comes up my drive way.    Yes I am very carefull when I go to the shop, I take a 357  magnum with me, I keep the door locked and I allways look at the cameras before answering the door.

I viseted the shareffs office and the phone numbers were un-traceable,  All they could tell me was where they come from.

Later,,,,,,,JackH
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: mapsrg on October 22, 2007, 03:37:17 AM
Free energy is a threat to the status quo.....it is a direct threat to the whole economic system we have, a system that is all about control and manipulation.Free energy is freedom...it is the frontier with so much promise......
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on November 12, 2007, 08:20:28 PM
For the purposes of this discussion ?free energy? means lightning energy from the upper atmosphere.  This could be regarded as a form of solar energy which would makes it another renewable.

Shruggedatlas has pointed out that there are many ?free energy? technologies that are not suppressed, if by ?free energy? you mean things that take energy out of the environment.  As he/she says wind, water and solar energy have the potential to threaten the dominance of fossil fuels in the energy market if they can lower costs or achieve economies of scale, yet there is no government policy of discouraging them let alone attempting to keep advances in these technologies secret.  It is true that the oil lobby has attempted to have subsidies for nuclear and renewables removed in order to create a level playing field, but that hardly counts as suppression.

Shruggedatlas also makes the point that there is no precedent for a new technology being kept secret in order to protect existing industries.  Aero planes were not classified secret in order to protect the transatlantic liner industry.  Automobiles were not classified in order to protect the horse drawn buggy industry.  Transistors were not classified secret order to protect the thermionic valve industry.  What happened was that thermionic valve manufactures simply switched to manufacturing transistors.  Surely the same thing would happen with free energy.  Rather than seeing it as a threat the oil companies would see an opportunity to get into the highly profitable business of manufacturing and leasing free energy devices.  Already some of the more progressive oil companies have defined their role as suppliers of energy whatever the source and at least one of the oil majors has planed for peak oil by anticipating that renewables eventually will make up most of their business.

I don?t agree with Elvis Oswald who makes a distinction between other renewables and true free energy based on the cost of investment in the equipment.  Even the true free energy device would require some investment to manufacture, so it would not be entirely free.  Hans Von Lieven is probably right in that we would not be allowed to supply all our energy needs for the rest of our life for just the cost of a microwave oven.  That would be too disruptive so I expect we would have to lease the devices.

The problem that has challenged governments for the last sixty years is the fact that the free energy device can do more than just make inexpensive electricity.  If it was solely a generator then we would have had the technology in the 1950s and no-one would be using fuel today.  However, the free energy device is like the PC in that it is a universal machine with a various functions some of which are benign while others are weird, scary and dangerous.  It is because of these other functions that governments cannot trust the public with this technology.  This is a tremendous dilemma for them because they know that UFO technology is the solution to problems that have defeated mainstream science.  Global warming could be put into reverse, cancer cured, and faster than light space travel would be possible.  This would clearly be a great boon to mankind, but the possibility that a lone nut could use free energy to blow up the neighborhood provokes such dread that they cannot bring themselves to make a UFO disclosure. When free energy was first discovered by government scientists sixty years ago there was an agreement among the governments of the world to keep the discovery secret until the world?s conflicts were resolved, thus minimizing the chance that it could be used as a weapon. Now there is probably a majority of scientists and national security officials privy to the UFO secret who wants to bring the technology out, but the fear that it may be used as a weapon means that they cannot find the resolve to make this step.  This is illogical when you think about it, because even if the Iraqis used the technology to wreak havoc the lives lost would be less than lives saved by a cancer cure, along with the lives of Chinese coal miners and those killed by extreme weather caused by global warming.  There must be a deeper cause for their inhibition.  Could it be that the technology is just too powerful to give to the public and if the public possessed it this would undermine the authority of the state?  The status quo today requires that governments have the most powerful technology.  What would happen to the status quo when everyone has the means to blow up the neighborhood and travel in aircraft capable of 30,000 mph?  Anarchy?  The end of civilization as we know it? 

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 14, 2007, 04:37:54 AM
Hello linda933,

Well here I go.    Yes I have been treatened around 21 times on the phone.   As far as NY and as close as my home town.   I have been told that to stop on the motor or I would be killed.  Also the last two times I was called it was on my cell phone,  I dont now how they got my cell phone number.   The last two times I was to stop on the motor or my shop would be burnt.

I have placed 5 camerias around the shop to watch it, I have a camera on my drive way to watch out for how comes up my drive way.    Yes I am very carefull when I go to the shop, I take a 357  magnum with me, I keep the door locked and I allways look at the cameras before answering the door.

I viseted the shareffs office and the phone numbers were un-traceable,  All they could tell me was where they come from.

Later,,,,,,,JackH


And do not forget to always wear the TINFOIL on the head - you cannot be too careful.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Eddy Currentz on November 15, 2007, 09:53:43 PM
And do not forget to always wear the TINFOIL on the head - you cannot be too careful.
The guy says he has had his life and property threatened and you accuse him of being a tinfoil hat type. Why, because it doesn't fit into your system of disbelief? Do you think the world has to conform to your fantasies?
I have read enough first hand accounts of suppression, let alone the hundreds of better known cases, to be convinced of this activity. The history and documentation of energy suppression is long and full. I don't see how there could even be a dispute at this point in time.
Carburetors alone are a full and convincing study of blatant suppression. Do you think cars are getting 15 to 20 MPG after a hundred years of existence, because nobody can figure out how to make them more efficient? A car uses only about 20 to 25 percent of the energy in a gallon of gas. The rest is wasted as heat and unburned fuel. Tell me with a straight face that this is the best we can do.
Banks and corporations run this country. Consequently, decisions are not made according to what is best for you and I, but rather to preserve the status quo and not disrupt the revenue stream.
Reality makes a whole lot more sense if you keep this in mind.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: JackH on November 16, 2007, 01:09:05 AM

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 16, 2007, 03:14:21 AM

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH

Maybe I am a dumb "none beleiver," though after that remark, you are no one to call other people dumb.  I have been skeptical of you ever since you mentioned that you are selling shares of your "free energy" company for $5K a pop.  Reminds me of Joseph Newman.

And Eddy, what is this you are talking about regarding mileage?  The subcompacts and hybrid vehicles are extremely fuel efficient.  These cars are not suppressed, but in fact widely touted for their gas efficiency.  However, most Americans prefer to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance and comfort because - surprise - America is a wealthy nation and gasoline is still relatively inexpensive.  And what does Toyota care about American oil companies?  Do you have evidence, or are you just repeating something you read on www.topsecretstuffenergycompaniesarekeepingfromthesheeple.com?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Chad on November 16, 2007, 03:35:34 AM

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH

Maybe I am a dumb "none beleiver," though after that remark, you are no one to call other people dumb.  I have been skeptical of you ever since you mentioned that you are selling shares of your "free energy" company for $5K a pop.  Reminds me of Joseph Newman.

And Eddy, what is this you are talking about regarding mileage?  The subcompacts and hybrid vehicles are extremely fuel efficient.  These cars are not suppressed, but in fact widely touted for their gas efficiency.  However, most Americans prefer to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance and comfort because - surprise - America is a wealthy nation and gasoline is still relatively inexpensive.  And what does Toyota care about American oil companies?  Do you have evidence, or are you just repeating something you read on www.topsecretstuffenergycompaniesarekeepingfromthesheeple.com?


Hey that link doesnt work  :D ;)

seriously though, do you think that forums like this are being watched/visited just incase we may accomplish OU that could be utilised by everybody for all there energy needs, if the governments are that bothered surely they would be?.

chad.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: JackH on November 16, 2007, 05:29:26 AM
Hello shruggedatlas,

Well I kinda think it is purty smart selling shares for $5000.00 a pop.   I have sold over $200,000.00 so far.  Keeps my shop going, keeps me working on the motors.

Any one that makes fun of someone's life or family being threatened. Has got to be stupid or just plain COLD !!

Later,,,,,,JackH
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 16, 2007, 06:29:17 AM
Hello shruggedatlas,

Well I kinda think it is purty smart selling shares for $5000.00 a pop.   I have sold over $200,000.00 so far.  Keeps my shop going, keeps me working on the motors.

Any one that makes fun of someone's life or family being threatened. Has got to be stupid or just plain COLD !!

Later,,,,,,JackH


Purty smart?  As in, "you sure got ah purty mouth?" 

I do not make fun - I question it.  If some sinister underground cabal wanted you dead, you would be dead.  On the other hand, death threats surely help sell the story, and that is $200K those people are never getting back.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: wattsup on November 16, 2007, 06:49:41 AM
So if there is no suppression - then great.
Give us back all of Tesla's documents and we'll call it day.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: epwpixieq-1 on November 16, 2007, 10:48:38 PM
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The end of civilization as we know it? 

Most likely yes ... or at least will end the "status quo". Almost all of our current market system is based on "status quo" , with meaning everything is "predicted" with with some probability in the future and PRICED and INCLUDED in the price of shares and the other markets. Based on these predictions options ( insurance against ANY risks )  have been sold off ( about 270 TRILLION or $270 000 000 000 000, about 10x world GDP ). Now all this is for PROTECTION against RISK ... the markets DO NOT LIKE RISK. Now, if there is a DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY ( with meaning being able to accumulate considerable energy in a small space/time/cost that can be utilized ) THAT IS BEING ADVERTISED ( note that according this wind/solar/termal are not disruptive technologies ) the markets will INCUR A HUGE RISK ... and A HUGE DISRUPTION  most likely the people in control of the markets via the energy sector will LOOSE  A LOT OF MONEY ( in a very short period of time, note that I am talking about the NEWS OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY ).  And now much of this 270 trillion options will be (  most likely ) executed to hedge against the ABRUPT CHANGE ... and the current financial system will collapse for it has build these instruments in ITSELF ...

The only solution for the NEW/OLD OU technologies is to grow from the grass roots ... or more and more people to be aware and to know about and how to use them. Yes there are risks associated with that too but eventually we will have to face the risks anyway sooner or later ...

Tesla sad: " ... ... it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature"

As we can, regrettably  see, it is not ONLY "a mere question of time" but also of powerful economical interests.

A change in one WELL ESTABLISHED system never comes from the top AND IT IS ALWAYS DISRUPTIVE ...

I believe, AFTER FINDING ITS NEW BALANCE .... it will be BETTER WORLD !!!!

Best
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 17, 2007, 12:48:29 AM
and the current financial system will collapse for it has build these instruments in ITSELF ...

The current financial system will collapse?  I do not think you have thought your scenario all the way through.  Why would the financial system collapse from an overabundance of energy?  Take another key resource - food.  Let's say we discovered a device that creates any type of food you like.  Press a button and boom, out of nothing.  Is the financial system going to collapse?  Why would it?  Everyone has plenty, and the farmers will just need to find new jobs.  On the other hand, if the opposite occurred and all farms suddenly failed to produce anything, then yes, the financial system could collapse because food would suddenly become very scarce and billions would die in the process of finding alternative food sources.

In your scenario, there is too much energy.  So what?  Yes, some energy companies would go out of business.  Unemployment may rise in some sectors, but hey, at least those people would not have electric bills anymore, and most likely new jobs would be created due to the energy surplus, so the unemployment would be temporary.  Other energy companies would adopt the new technology and put it to full use, and presto, suddenly electricity is too cheap to meter, like cable TV signal, for example, and everyone would benefit.  $25 per month for all you need.  Does this sound like financial collapse?

Do you actually have any experience predicting economic events, or are you just throwing things out?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: amateur on November 17, 2007, 07:38:12 AM
To a certain extend, i believe in technology suppression by oil companies and energy supplying organizations. If I were sitting in their position, I would likely ascertain the validity of of any OU tech declared, purchase it and further develop it behind close doors.

When the system stabilized, it will be revealed when my oil inventory is low or when i need some good news to boost my stock price up..... that is speaking strictly from the financial point of view....

As for the assassination, bombing, torturing.... nah.... how many can they kill.... if i can't buy them over, i m better off discrediting them.... the energy industry requires lots of fools and scams around to maintain the skepticism in case the real Mccoy surfaces..... killing will only drive people further from oil.....
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 17, 2007, 03:59:39 PM
I have to say that after reading his rationalization for the suppression of free energy technology I must now consider the possibility that Dr. Steven Greer may have been tasked to take control of a well intentioned concept such as the ?Disclosure Project? and bog it down in subterfuge.

Free energy would translate into freedom and independence for all humanity ? something those pulling the strings do not want, as they will have lost their elite status in a world where everyone is equal.

Personally, I believe we would have a more peaceful world if everyone needed or wanted nothing ? and instead of the treadmill of meaningless ends people could then pursue a more spiritual life path ? as was our original objective here on earth, before we became distracted by paper dragons.

There are many stops along the road to suppression of truth ? conditioning the masses to accept that suppression of truth is necessary for either protection or survival, or both, and to rely on the appeasing statements of individuals belonging to secret societies such as the Builderburgers are among them. 

Keep in mind, that good ol? boys club is a collection of business elite and shady politicians, to whom giving evasive responses to direct questions is a reflex reaction.

The argument that ?terrorists? would use this technology for ?evil purpose? does not stand up ? due in part to the number of ?suitcase? nuclear bombs on the missing list.

From the mouths of numerous former inside sources, the real terrorists?and the only ones to have ever used nuclear weapons, occupy the Whitehouse - and are now threatening to nuke Iran.

Apparently these people are no more American than Sadam or any other scapegoat, and are in truth a criminal element within the US government acting out the agenda of global elitists ? who all should be brought up on crimes against humanity.

Until that happens, the citizens of any country they invade next will also suddenly and magically be transformed into ?terrorists? or ?insurgents? on TV - just like our fellow human beings in Iraq.

In order to maintain the status quo, mind games grew to become an art form, and mind control experiments a depraved science ? that from the victims themselves ? who I have no reason to doubt judging by their honest and sincere accounts.

Just look what they did to Royale Rife and his cancer cure earlier on.

Regards
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 17, 2007, 04:15:25 PM
Personally, I believe we would have a more peaceful world if everyone needed or wanted nothing ? and instead of the treadmill of meaningless ends people could then pursue a more spiritual life path ? as was our original objective here on earth, before we became distracted by paper dragons.

What are you talking about?  Our original objective here on earth was to fill our bellies and make babies while avoiding being eaten by lions and bears.  Currently, lions and bears are no longer a threat, and for most of us, we have been fortunate to have our food problem solved as well, so we do have time for spiritual pursuits, but I assure you, our hunter-gatherer ancestors did not have nearly as much time for this luxury as we do.

Also, like a true conspiracy nut, you have neatly tied together free energy suppression, the White House, big oil, Iraq, Iran, American imperialism in general, good ole boys, and sprinkled in cancer research suppression as well.  Bravo!  You should publish a manifesto.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 17, 2007, 05:20:26 PM

I am not here to exchange personal insults with anyone - and will not respond in kind.

I will however, happily exchange concepts, ideas, and theory with anyone in a respectful manner.

My ideas and opinions are formed from my own personal experiences, much research, the experiences of trusted sources - and not from controlled media sources.

Regards
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: linda933 on November 17, 2007, 05:51:41 PM
Yeah...you smart-alec lawyer, you!   Don't you seee, Shrugged?  This is a conspiracy site, frequented by those who need to believe!  After all, with such a wealth of "workable free energy devices" having been invented recently, what other explanation would do?

It couldn't be bullshit, of course...Bedini, Bearden...Tesla...Milkovic?   No...impossible...

Linda
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: epwpixieq-1 on November 17, 2007, 07:25:51 PM
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The current financial system will collapse?  I do not think you have thought your scenario all the way through.  Why would the financial system collapse from an overabundance of energy?
 

Well if you had some idea how the world ORDER is STRUCTURED/ENGINEERED you would have not asked these questions. One thing you had to know to read my post is the meaning of RISK. For the people with KNOWLEDGE about the system and the technologies believing in a BETTER WORLD the connections/patterns are clear. For the people with ( to say softly ) a different agenda, the $$$ is best argument in ANY direction. For the people without much knowledge about the problem and willing to learn and expand their knowledge I recommend reading at least Tom Bearden ( as a good start )

And again remember Tesla !!! He was a visionary and a man out of his time !!!

And buy the way ... it does not matter what I or you will say/discuss these writing will be erased by the TIME ... and again only TIME will show the TRUE, of course with the help of the TRUE believers  ;D
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: mapsrg on November 17, 2007, 10:42:00 PM
So in the beginning we are told man spent most of his time getting shelter/food/clothes.....and with massive technological advancement we still spend most of our time "earning "a living....I am convinced that if we lived to a thousand years instead of @80 we all would have 999 year mortgages..........................we need a tool like free energy to attain freedom from this system
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 18, 2007, 12:00:17 AM


In all reality, they never really abolished slavery - they just broadened the application to include everyone.

This was accomplished through property and income tax.

Stop paying your prop taxes long enough and you will soon find out who your master is - we own nothing, just like all the other slaves down through history - we have no more to show at the end of the week than a slave - a roof over your head and food on the table thats it, no further ahead.

The majority of our time is spent trying to make ends meet.

Over time the pursuit of happiness has gradually become a no holds barred fight for the dollar - this happened ever so slowly, so as not to alarm or shock anyone into action.

Constantly being distracted by life's stresses and the endless quest for scraps and left-overs of their tax money being scattered back down among them, the populace do not have the time to process events going on around them.

This has been in the works for decades.

Do not take my word for it - do your own due diligence.

This information is available to all who seek the truth.

I wood suggest Google videos of former FBI Director Ted Gunderson for starters.

He wears a stetson hat in some - and it does not appear to be made of aloonium :).

Regards
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 18, 2007, 12:12:29 AM
In all reality, they never really abolished slavery - they just broadened the application to include everyone.

This was accomplished through property and income tax.

Stop paying your prop taxes long enough and you will soon find out who your master is - we own nothing, just like all the other slaves down through history - we have no more to show at the end of the week than a slave - a roof over your head and food on the table thats it, no further ahead.

The majority of our time is spent trying to make ends meet.

What a dim view of life.  I do not know what your life is like, but no one I know feels like a slave.  This is a world where resources are still somewhat limited, so yes, you have to make a living.  That is the way the world works.  Are you 16, or something?

Why are you crying about taxes?  How else is the government supposed to get money?  Property taxes here in Texas are 3%, and that is considered high.  How is having to pay 3% per year on your house the same thing as owning nothing?

And how much are income taxes?  At the lower end of the bracket, virtually none to about 15%.  At the higher ends, combined with state and local, it can approach 40%. Most Americans pay 25% or less in income taxes. Substantial, but that hardly leaves you with nothing.  I realize it is higher in other countries, but you guys get more social benefits, like free medicine.

It sounds like you want some kind of Utopia where you do not have to work and everything is given to you for free.  The world does not work that way.  Resources are much more available now than they were hundreds of years ago, but they are not unlimited.

Don't be such a pessimist - life is great compared to how it was.  We have so many time-saving devices, that people have more free time than ever.  Try being a farmer 200 years ago.  Rise at dawn, work in the fields or with the animals till dusk.  Eat, take care of children and a few things around the house, and go to sleep.  Wake up and do it all over again, 7 days per week.  (And just about everyone was a farmer, by the way.)

The fact that we have time to goof off on the Internet like this says quite a bit.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 18, 2007, 12:58:54 AM


Lets look at it this way - when income and property tax 'laws' are applied by corrupt individuals, you live in an oppressed society.

As to the level of corruption our governments will sink to...I stand by the assessment of someone with a career of experience and knowledge.

Once again that wood be former FBI Director Ted Gunderson - among many other former people in the field now coming forward with some harsh but well supported accounts of high level corruption.

Only when taxes are applied by consumption, will everyone then be taxed fairly and evenly - allowing a person to get ahead in life.

We all know the rich pay little or no income tax - and by no strange coincidence, the rich run the game.


Regards
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: NerzhDishual on November 18, 2007, 01:08:24 AM


Yes, shrunken alas! Ayn Rand's kinda reincarnation.

Let's carry on goofing off and messing around the internet. Continue to believe your are free. All is recorded.
But you are on the right side (IE: the Powers That Be's camp). RU not?

Bien l'bonjour chez vous...
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: mapsrg on November 18, 2007, 02:45:18 AM
Yes Im after utopia.....thats why Im motivated to find answers like free-energy.In the past people could leave the establishment and get a new life in the new world...".the land of the free and the home of the brave" for example.But apart from leaving the planet we now find we cannot escape and find freedom this way anymore,we are forced to create ways to get freedom, like the internet ,that cannot be easily controlled,afterall "Globalisation" is the name of the game.The only other option is to live in areas like the oceans or in the air where Governments have no powers....people need to express their will and be heard (the will of the people) too many times this is ignored.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 18, 2007, 04:49:27 AM
Yes Im after utopia.....thats why Im motivated to find answers like free-energy.In the past people could leave the establishment and get a new life in the new world...".the land of the free and the home of the brave" for example.But apart from leaving the planet we now find we cannot escape and find freedom this way anymore,we are forced to create ways to get freedom, like the internet ,that cannot be easily controlled,afterall "Globalisation" is the name of the game.The only other option is to live in areas like the oceans or in the air where Governments have no powers....people need to express their will and be heard (the will of the people) too many times this is ignored.

I realize that English is probably not your first language, so pardon my asking, but I just cannot get at what you are talking about.  Are you saying you want to leave the planet Earth so you can get free energy somewhere else?  Do you think that Martians have different laws of physics?  Or do you think that if you can just get outside the territorial waters of any nation (and therefore outside the silly jurisdiction of those pesky "laws" of physics), suddenly the perpetual motion wheels will start to spin?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Eddy Currentz on November 29, 2007, 03:51:09 AM

I realize that English is probably not your first language, so pardon my asking, but I just cannot get at what you are talking about.  Are you saying you want to leave the planet Earth so you can get free energy somewhere else?  Do you think that Martians have different laws of physics?  Or do you think that if you can just get outside the territorial waters of any nation (and therefore outside the silly jurisdiction of those pesky "laws" of physics), suddenly the perpetual motion wheels will start to spin?
The difference between us is that you have an unconditional belief in the "laws of physics", and I put my faith in the laws of Nature. In many circumstances they are the same, but in some they aren't.
I like exploring nature, and I do use the experience of science where it's applicable. We are far from understanding Nature in all her complexity, so why should I limit myself by declaring something "impossible"?
There are so many examples of energy suppression on the net that you are either lazy or in complete denial. Try Rex Research for starters and then Google "energy suppression".
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 29, 2007, 04:27:06 AM

I am not here to exchange personal insults with anyone - and will not respond in kind.

Oh, but this is a school book example of the suppression. Your response is guaranteed.

The goal of the game is to try to piss you off. You can even see the double acount usage.

Here he is trying to make his original comment look as if a normal human would spew such filth.

Should read up on the reptilian brain.

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The brain stem is the oldest and smallest region in the evolving human brain. It evolved hundreds of millions of years ago and is more like the entire brain of present-day reptiles. For this reason, it is often called the 'reptilian brain'. Various clumps of cells in the brain stem determine the brain's general level of alertness and regulate the vegetative processes of the body such as breathing and heartbeat.

It's similar to the brain possessed by the hardy reptiles that preceded mammals, roughly 200 million years ago. It's 'preverbal', but controls life functions such as autonomic brain, breathing, heart rate and the fight or flight mechanism. Lacking language, its impulses are instinctual and ritualistic. It's concerned with fundamental needs such as survival, physical maintenance, hoarding, dominance, preening and mating. It is also found in lower life forms such as lizards, crocodiles and birds. It is at the base of your skull emerging from your spinal column.
http://www.crystalinks.com/reptilianbrain.html
Reptilian Brain - Crystalinks

(http://www.crystalinks.com/brainreptoid.jpg)

 :D

(http://blogging.la/archives/images/2007/03/lizardpeople.jpg)

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I will however, happily exchange concepts, ideas, and theory with anyone in a respectful manner.

My ideas and opinions are formed from my own personal experiences, much research, the experiences of trusted sources - and not from controlled media sources.

Regards

Just look what they did to Royale Rife?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3807238317495330586&q=royal+rife&total=30&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Rife Technology - A New Hope

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3476670427665553016
Royal Rife Frequency kills Paramecium [1]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-661201775015095955&q=rife+plasma&total=12&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
Rife-Bare Plasma Experiment Destroys Microorganisms (June 28 '07)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: gaby de wilde on November 30, 2007, 02:02:20 AM
I thought this was a very good docu about the current state of events.

http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog-ooVnzrU3eqXHKSdB2TQ.j3cMn.tCeQ--?cq=1&p=6814
Yahoo! 360? - tricks, tips, tutorials, pictures and words - Spider Goats
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: cyclopz on September 07, 2008, 01:11:48 AM
The time to release this technology is NOW. The word is getting out that this stuff is for real... Amateur inventors all over the world are proving it isn't hard at all to rig up a device that creates overunity power. In the old days, like say the 1980's, it was easy for the illuminati to squash these projects one by one before the word got out much. The problem is that today, with the internet, I can post my overunity device video on myspace and it could get 100,000 views within a day or two. As soon as the public wakes up and realizes an evil illuminati is ruining the world and essentially enslaving the masses, there is going to be tremendous backlash. Saying terrorists could misuse this technology is essentially a joke, because the world is being shown that the TRUE terrorists are IN power suppressing free energy for their sinister greedy purposes. When the world is running on clean free energy, their aren't going to be any terrorists. Everyone will be happy.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: infringer on September 07, 2008, 03:02:13 AM
Energy Suppression is impossible now adays providing that:

The inventor is not greedy himself!

If the inventor makes a build that is easily reproduceable by anyone!!!

Finally the undying faith that there is Free Energy to be gotten will not allow it!

Are you a greedy little pig?

-infringer-
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: utilitarian on September 07, 2008, 05:02:00 AM
Energy Suppression is impossible now adays providing that:

The inventor is not greedy himself!

If the inventor makes a build that is easily reproduceable by anyone!!!

Finally the undying faith that there is Free Energy to be gotten will not allow it!

Are you a greedy little pig?

-infringer-

Free energy is being actively suppressed as we speak.  It is being suppressed by the laws of physics.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: infringer on September 07, 2008, 05:36:24 AM
Have not laws of physics been wrong before or proven wrong?

Sure they have...

So has history for god sakes if someone comes up with a working device laws aside proof is prrof and proof that can be replicated by the laymen is the best a man can get.

Drop the money goal and aquire the goal for free energy or energy freedom.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: cyclopz on September 07, 2008, 09:08:38 AM
The "laws" of physics are a bunch of bullshit. Why do you think they built the Hadron Collider? We DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE WORKS. And another thing... the term "Free Energy" is pretty misleading. People say stuff like "There's no such thing as a free lunch." This is supposed to disprove something? I hate people like that. These inventions ARE NOT magically inventing energy. This is not the work of the devil or whatever you crazy nutjobs think. Take magentic motors for example... They are FOLLOWING the laws of physics. They're just doing it creatively to create electricity. Nothing that amazing about it really. I don't see why people have such a hard time getting over the concept. Nuclear reactions are another example... you have a little atom or whatever and smash it with another atom and suddenly you have this huge influx of power. This is not magic folks. It's called science. Some people are so stupid. Read some history. It's filled with brilliant scientists that were laughed at by people like you.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 07, 2008, 09:32:52 AM
The "laws" of physics are a bunch of bullshit. Why do you think they built the Hadron Collider? We DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HOW THE UNIVERSE WORKS. And another thing... the term "Free Energy" is pretty misleading. People say stuff like "There's no such thing as a free lunch." This is supposed to disprove something? I hate people like that. These inventions ARE NOT magically inventing energy. This is not the work of the devil or whatever you crazy nutjobs think. Take magentic motors for example... They are FOLLOWING the laws of physics. They're just doing it creatively to create electricity. Nothing that amazing about it really. I don't see why people have such a hard time getting over the concept. Nuclear reactions are another example... you have a little atom or whatever and smash it with another atom and suddenly you have this huge influx of power. This is not magic folks. It's called science. Some people are so stupid. Read some history. It's filled with brilliant scientists that were laughed at by people like you.

In nuclear reactions, mass-energy is conserved, correct? 

Do you think it is also conserved in magnetic motors?  If so, where does the extra energy come from?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 07, 2008, 05:03:26 PM
Is this thread titled WHY FREE ENERGY IS SUPPRESSED?
Seems it has broken down into a discussion about whether free energy CAN exist.

Technically energy has to be produced somewhere... so, of course, it is not FREE.  So let's just put that to bed and stop arguing that.
If I order something from Amazon and get FREE shipping... it is not free technically.  Amazon pays for it.  But it's free to me.
So, let's call it HARNESSING A NATURAL SOURCE OF ENERGY.

Also - we are talking about an unknown source of natural energy.  Known sources are expensive - they require space and expensive components (dams, windmill farms, and batteries).

What we are talking about is a natural source of energy that can be tapped with a return on investment that makes it cheaper than other sources.
Can that exist?  Absolutely.
Does it have to violate the laws of physics?  Nope.

Nuclear power is a good example of using something so small you can't see to produce huge amounts of energy.

And for the doubters here - what about cold fusion?  It was proven years ago... and then it was basically suppressed by peer review... and now it is finally being replicated.

Lightning is natural.  Is it FREE?  Not really... forces of nature work to create it.  But it's free to us.  One man with a golf club can harness it. haha
Can we harness the force that creates it to use it.  Yes.  As it is, we can.
But can we find out what forces are at work and get at that power another way.  I bet we can.

I'll try and find a link... but everyone should look at the slow motion video of lightning (google search).
I've educated myself on how they SAY lightning works... and when I watch the video, it doesn't look like that.
Check it out.

As for suppression - why are Maxwell's equations incomplete?  Who has funded our universities?
Why are positive and negative backwards?  Because Ben Franklin got it wrong and they left it that way out of respect?  Who has funded our universities?

If we are only taught what is approved by our government/queen/dictator (or in the case of America - the elite), then how do we really know anything?

If that sounds crazy - consider history.  In America, we are taught that we WON the west... that the Germans were brutal and bombed civilians in London (ignoring that England bombed German cities first)... that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor without provocation... that the Gulf of Tonkin happened... that Iraqi's stomped on babies in Kuwait... that they had WMDs... that the Russians started the Georgian conflict... and on and on.

History is written by those in power.  Textbooks are too.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 07, 2008, 05:24:57 PM
Is this thread titled WHY FREE ENERGY IS SUPPRESSED?
Seems it has broken down into a discussion about whether free energy CAN exist.

Technically energy has to be produced somewhere... so, of course, it is not FREE.  So let's just put that to bed and stop arguing that.

Agreed.  Be careful though, talk of conservation laws is likely to get you "suppressed" around here.   ;)

Quote from: Elvis Oswald
And for the doubters here - what about cold fusion?  It was proven years ago... and then it was basically suppressed by peer review... and now it is finally being replicated.

As I recall, when cold fusion first hit the media, many people were claiming to have replicated it---I remember watching a graduate student at the university I was attending at the time on television claiming he had observed it in his lab.  Then the whole thing fell apart.

Quote from: Elvis Oswald
As for suppression - why are Maxwell's equations incomplete? 

I haven't heard of this---who says Maxwell's equations are "incomplete"?

Quote from: Elvis Oswald
If we are only taught what is approved by our government/queen/dictator (or in the case of America - the elite), then how do we really know anything?

I don't think this is actually true (in the case of the USA, anyway).  Primary and secondary schools here are controlled locally.  I have attended several universities and my experience was that many of my professors were more on the anti-establishment side. 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: utilitarian on September 07, 2008, 05:59:27 PM
Is this thread titled WHY FREE ENERGY IS SUPPRESSED?
Seems it has broken down into a discussion about whether free energy CAN exist.

Technically energy has to be produced somewhere... so, of course, it is not FREE.  So let's just put that to bed and stop arguing that.
If I order something from Amazon and get FREE shipping... it is not free technically.  Amazon pays for it.  But it's free to me.
So, let's call it HARNESSING A NATURAL SOURCE OF ENERGY.


Sure, we can harness natural sources of energy.  As this relates to the topic, however - no one is suppressing that.  Dams, wind farms, solar panels, nuclear power plants are all harnessing energy in the U.S. and many other parts of the world.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: huhh on September 08, 2008, 03:25:37 AM
the simple answer is CONTROL.

it's not even about money, but control of the people to keep us slaves.

   * Money Is Control.   If I have your money, I can control you a good bit.

   * Free energy is suppressed, because the economy would crash like a windows ME pc. lol
     Think of the kajillions of dollars they'll be losing,when its free to power your house,or drive your car.
     If you had free power, you could even grow your own food year round indoors for free.
     Then you would only need money to buy things that you could not make or build yourself, like a flat screen tv.
     and I could imagine how much that would go up in price...lol a tv for twenty five thousand...what...lol

   * Free power will only be available if someone on this site figures it out, and post up a how-to.
     Other than that,it will never be. and be happy there's not a tax on the sun or wind...
 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ben8807 on September 08, 2008, 06:24:49 AM
First let me state that I do not put all faith in the laws of physics. No scientist should. I instead put my faith in repeatable predictable experimentation, until that is an experiment is done that does something abnormal.

Now as to free energy being suppressed:

1. You have a guy that creates a box. Could be any number of devices, but a simple box works for the argument. Out of this box comes more energy than goes in. The box however has some problems than need further research/tuning/development to their full potential.The inventor takes in research money from many sources that want to see the box in production. Then the "free energy mafia" takes the box, stops the research, and mysteriously the inventor is found in Tahiti living the good life. Wow. Sounds pretty much the formula con men have been using for years. Offer something valuable, take money for the valuable something, then find a reason why they can neither give you the money nor produce the valuable item.

2. You have a guy that creates a box. Others try and duplicate the device, but without the inventors help they can't create anything that works. Written off as a hoax. Inventor becomes a laughing stock and the invention is lost.

3. You have a guy that creates a box. Doesn't tell many people about it because he knows nobody would believe him. Takes it to his grave.

In all three of these scenarios there is no free energy going public. The big conspiracy? There have been con men in every field of endeavor for years. They love free energy because anyone who is looking for something for nothing is an easy mark.

Why am I here? Because I believe scenario 2 is possible. I am fascinated by Steven Mark's TPU, and although I think it's probably a con and the inventor was definitely a con man, I can't figure out how to recreate the illusion. So I'm going to either recreate the device or recreate the effect.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 10, 2008, 02:26:23 AM
Madsen: Grades K-12 only teach the accepted principles... accepted by graduates of the universities.

The elite have funded the universities and the research foundations for years.  You only get grants when you tow the line.

Now that is a fact that the same families have funded all the knowledge.  But how can I jump to the conclusion that they would fund it and use their influence to suppress certain things and encourage disinformation?
I look to other things they do that plainly show their M.O.

They funded the women's liberation movement.
I absolutely believe in equality.  In that regard the movement was needed.  But the net effect was to have women leave the house and compete for jobs, which lowered wages, which meant that in the end - both parents have to work in order to make ends meet... and they work for less.
It was a two-for-one sale... and we asked for it.
Sounds wacky?
Think about it.  When business spends money - it's to make money.
Same people are now funding La Raza and other groups that work to keep borders unprotected - to increase the labor supply and lower wages.
Same people fund organizations that fight for regulation that keep us from building more oil refineries - keep out the competition / limit supply - raise prices and profits.
And yes - the oil companies are the only industry I know where... when the cost of goods sold goes up - profits increase.  People who can pull that off are capable of anything.

So think about the other things you "know" - you might just see that you know what they tell you.
History is written by the victors... and the news is written by those in power.  Money is power.

Just like religion and dogma are a form of control, so are the educational institutions in this country.

As long as any family or any race, or any class is seen as superior to any others... you are being oppressed and controlled - unless you are part of the superior family/class/race, then... you are the oppressor.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 10, 2008, 02:31:45 AM
utilitarian - you are correct that those natural sources are not being suppressed.  But naming a half-dozen natural sources of energy does not preclude other sources that are unknown to the public.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 10, 2008, 02:45:48 AM
Ben - do you think patents for devices that could tap an unknown source of energy have not been bought and shelved?

Do you believe that a patent for such a device would not be bought and shelved?

Do you believe that someone who chose not to sell out would live?

Look into how the railroad was built in the US.  They do what they want and get what they want.  One way or another.

Either you are a drunken frat boy who can be blackmailed by those who know can prove you are a closet homosexual... or you are JFK.
Either you are a "good boy" who takes money from the man and only speaks out when the subject is racially divisive... or you  are MLK.
Either you set an example of compliance... or you are John Lennon.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 10, 2008, 03:00:46 AM
Madsen: Grades K-12 only teach the accepted principles... accepted by graduates of the universities.

The elite have funded the universities and the research foundations for years.  You only get grants when you tow the line.

Now that is a fact that the same families have funded all the knowledge.  But how can I jump to the conclusion that they would fund it and use their influence to suppress certain things and encourage disinformation?
I look to other things they do that plainly show their M.O.

They funded the women's liberation movement.
I absolutely believe in equality.  In that regard the movement was needed.  But the net effect was to have women leave the house and compete for jobs, which lowered wages, which meant that in the end - both parents have to work in order to make ends meet... and they work for less.
It was a two-for-one sale... and we asked for it.
Sounds wacky?
Think about it.  When business spends money - it's to make money.
Same people are now funding La Raza and other groups that work to keep borders unprotected - to increase the labor supply and lower wages.
Same people fund organizations that fight for regulation that keep us from building more oil refineries - keep out the competition / limit supply - raise prices and profits.
And yes - the oil companies are the only industry I know where... when the cost of goods sold goes up - profits increase.  People who can pull that off are capable of anything.

So think about the other things you "know" - you might just see that you know what they tell you.
History is written by the victors... and the news is written by those in power.  Money is power.

Just like religion and dogma are a form of control, so are the educational institutions in this country.

As long as any family or any race, or any class is seen as superior to any others... you are being oppressed and controlled - unless you are part of the superior family/class/race, then... you are the oppressor.

All this is very abstract.  I don't doubt that powerful people tend to exercise their power.  But let's get more specific about this suppression you are referring to.  You mentioned that Maxwell's Equations are "incomplete" as an example.  What does this mean?  How are universities (or the elite) acting to suppress information in this case?

ETA:  I am in the teaching biz myself, and I can tell you that education, as I practice it, is not merely reciting "accepted principles" to students for them to regurgitate later.  A major component of one's education, in my view, is to learn to evaluate evidence and think critically, which allows one to defend oneself against control.  Did you attend university yourself?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Goat on September 10, 2008, 05:32:54 AM
@ All

I just had a thought, why not turn this thread of the best examples of what is possible in the field of OU or COP > 1.0 that we have heard of and can probably replicate vs suppressed ideas or what is being suppressed but still possibel?

I watched a show about 20 years ago more or less that showed NASA technology in the trunk of a car as a vacuum tube with a big magnet spinning around with the outside being no less than a really big version of a shake up flashlight with the coil except it was a doughnut magnet in the vacuum tube of the Glass, Pyrex or Acrylic exterior tube that I can remember just spinning around....think about it, one bump in the car would set the magnet in almost perpetual motion in a vacuum and that was before the Internet!  I haven't found it yet listed on the net....could someone find this? I don't know but I'm not making this up, I just happen to have a piss poor memory and it took me all this time to remember it...LOL

I know this probably belongs in the half baked ideas threads but hear me out....

Can the above NASA tech that's not already out in the market be reproducible by modern day tech?

If so we got as close to OU or COP > 1.0 that we can get using NASA tech...using tax dollars right?

Unless someone comes up with a better verifiable and greater output machine than NASA had 20 years ago which is very possible today but just need to verify
everyone's claims of OU or COP > 1.0 that we can replicate easily as possible.

Now let make things clear, the above mentioned vacuum tube is way beyond my abilities but not that of modern day factories.  So where is the above device and not the shake up flashlight?  Certainly not at Wally Mart  ;D

Regards to all,
Paul

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Goat on September 10, 2008, 05:41:01 AM
@ Admins

Please excuse the last post but the site went down for awhile here in Canada and when I replied it kind of screwed up the previous post, I hope everyone got my idea none the less....please edit as necessary because I can't find the edit button  :o

Edit:   OK I think I found the edit button and fixed most of the last thread  :P

Second Edit: Ok I found it, i'ts the modify button...damn, old man in a new land of BUTTONS....LMAO
 
Regards to all,
Paul
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Goat on September 10, 2008, 06:17:02 AM
@ All

Look at the last NASA example, it was completely out in the open 20 or so years ago but who caught it on this site alone?  Is it really all hidden tech?

What I'm saying (proposing) is there is information out there but we need to come together and make it happen just as this web site is trying to do.  Anyone out there who has access to the tech to put a doughnut magnet in a vacuum sealed tube is welcomed to do this, if so all we need is a coil on the outside of the tube to create a current once the magnet is set in motion. 

Now after all we learned on the open source OU sites such as this one would a pulsed activated circuit make the magnet repulse such as in a Bedini et al type circuit work in this case to activate the magnet in a vacuum and cause an extended reaction.......Hell yes!.....remember, NASA was working within the bounds of space so why use a magnet in space and apply it to earth!  I know many would argue that magnets will not work in space but why did I happen to see this on TV 20 years ago from NASA tech out of all things?  And furthermore why isn't this being applied today if we already paid for it?  Sorry I didn't pay for it since I'm Canadian but USA folks should be mad as hell, I would be  :-[

Regards to all,
Paul
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Goat on September 10, 2008, 06:45:15 AM
@ All

As an addition to the above.  Would a copper tube above a pulsed magnetic circuit such as Benidini et al. type pulsed circuit preclude the need for a vacuum tube because of a known Lorentz law violation, would the magnet still interact as in a vacuum tube?  Just thinking out loud..... :P

Regards to all,
Paul
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: pese on September 10, 2008, 10:25:24 AM
Why surpressed?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,402.0/topicseen.html

GP
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 10, 2008, 10:21:15 PM


Some very common sense viewpoints above...you know who you are.

Its good to see that many are aware that our lives have been derailed by a controlling faction...which in my opinion are socio/pshcyhopathic in nature...and bent on our enhanced enslavement and or worse.

I only hope they don't ruin the planet before they are stopped.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on September 10, 2008, 10:30:34 PM
All this is very abstract.  I don't doubt that powerful people tend to exercise their power.  But let's get more specific about this suppression you are referring to.  You mentioned that Maxwell's Equations are "incomplete" as an example.  What does this mean?  How are universities (or the elite) acting to suppress information in this case?

ETA:  I am in the teaching biz myself, and I can tell you that education, as I practice it, is not merely reciting "accepted principles" to students for them to regurgitate later.  A major component of one's education, in my view, is to learn to evaluate evidence and think critically, which allows one to defend oneself against control.  Did you attend university yourself?

Maxwell's equations are correct (except not matching strictly quantum paradigm today). There is one BIG problem however.Maxwell did not predicted the active envinronment... Don't look further, you have  truly wheelwork of nature right here.It is called : Earth.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 10, 2008, 10:46:17 PM
Maxwell's equations are correct (except not matching strictly quantum paradigm today).

Good, that's my understanding as well

Quote from: forest
There is one BIG problem however.Maxwell did not predicted the active envinronment... Don't look further, you have  truly wheelwork of nature right here.It is called : Earth.

I'm not sure what this means.  What is the active environment?  Is it something that Maxwell should have predicted?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on September 10, 2008, 11:53:50 PM
Maxwell didn't predicted Earth magnetosphere and its relationship with solar wind and magnetic field.
He assumed that Earth magnetic field only produce weak effects...
OK.Truly correct assumption based on compass needle only... But are you completly sure that magnetic field is ALWAYS a local field ,even for nonlinear events or positive feedback ???

why do we have the "bow shock" in Earth magnetosphere caused by solar wind ?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 11, 2008, 12:24:47 AM
Maxwell didn't predicted Earth magnetosphere and its relationship with solar wind and magnetic field.
He assumed that Earth magnetic field only produce weak effects...
OK.Truly correct assumption based on compass needle only... But are you completly sure that magnetic field is ALWAYS a local field ,even for nonlinear events or positive feedback ???

why do we have the "bow shock" in Earth magnetosphere caused by solar wind ?

Thanks for the reply.  That's interesting stuff, which I know nothing about, so I'll have to do some homework.   ;)

For now though, let me ask you to clarify something---are you saying that the existence of this bow shock is not accounted for by, or is perhaps even inconsistent with Maxwell's Equations? 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ben8807 on September 11, 2008, 04:21:24 AM
Ben - do you think patents for devices that could tap an unknown source of energy have not been bought and shelved?

Do you believe that a patent for such a device would not be bought and shelved?
Yes, science is not something that can be bottled up. Today we get lots of 'Free' energy. We call it nuclear. A hundred years ago it would have been thought of as magic. A hundred years from now imagine what magic will be reality!
Do you believe that someone who chose not to sell out would live?
Yes. Do you believe that everyone that comes up with a device to run cars off air/magnets/water/happy feelings is whisked away by some awesome super amazing conspiracy? Do you also believe those infomercials on late nights? Can I sell you some ocean front property in Arizona?
Look into how the railroad was built in the US.  They do what they want and get what they want.  One way or another.
Sure, good or bad, the railroad would not have gotten built any other way. Neither would interstate highways. Side with the landowners that wanted outrageous amounts for their land, or the railroads that strongarmed the land out of them, I don't care. The railroads were a good thing that the country needed.
Either you are a drunken frat boy who can be blackmailed by those who know can prove you are a closet homosexual... or you are JFK.
Sorry, don't get the reference, and there are other sites for you to rant about politics.
Either you are a "good boy" who takes money from the man and only speaks out when the subject is racially divisive... or you  are MLK.
MLK wanted equality, he would be ashamed to see the civil rights movement today. But again, politics.
Either you set an example of compliance... or you are John Lennon.
So John Lennon was killed for noncompliance? Who was Diana killed by? Landmine manufacturers? How was John Lennon so dangerous to "the man"? WTH have you been smoking?!


Look, I do believe that it is possible that there are sources of energy we have not tapped yet. I just don't buy into this huge government/big business conspiracy theory. I could come out tomorrow with pictures of my new free energy device, find a dozen investors. Promise them all exclusive rights to anything I build off my unfinished device, and then skip the country. Guess what would happen next! This website would have stories about how I had been killed/bought out when in reality I would be sipping on a Pina Colada bought with some suckers money. Wake up people, if someone offers you a device which turns lead into gold, then you buy the device and they skip town, don't expect them to come back to fix it when it doesn't work. It's so easy to con you people because you so desperately want to believe!
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 11, 2008, 10:54:12 AM
Maxwell didn't predicted Earth magnetosphere and its relationship with solar wind and magnetic field.
He assumed that Earth magnetic field only produce weak effects...
OK.Truly correct assumption based on compass needle only... But are you completly sure that magnetic field is ALWAYS a local field ,even for nonlinear events or positive feedback ???

why do we have the "bow shock" in Earth magnetosphere caused by solar wind ?

This page (http://www.physics.usyd.edu.au/~cairns/teaching/lecture13/node2.html) looks interesting---it derives the shape of the bow shock using the equations of magnetohydrodynamics, which themselves are "a combination of the Navier-Stokes equations of fluid dynamics and Maxwell's equations of electromagnetism.", according to this wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics).
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 11, 2008, 01:25:36 PM
Maxwell's equations are incomplete.  I'll get you a link to the details this weekend when I have the time.

I'll also give you examples of what the elite have said in public... which will give you chills - and make you wonder what they say in private.

I did go to college - Information Technologies - and I agree that there are good instructors and they are not part of a plot.
But you must also agree that if knowledge in a field is too far down the wrong path... then even "out of the box" critical thinking is crippled.
Back when men thought the earth was the center of the solar system... critical thinkers were killed.  :)  How long did it take to straighten that assumption out?

Look for more info in a couple of days.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on September 11, 2008, 04:11:07 PM
Yes,it's all about plasma and magnetic field. Sun rotates and his rotating magnetic field is "frozen" into solar wind (because it is plasma) Solar wind accelerates and it's velocity is already super-sonic
Bow shock is a DYNAMIC effect as already predicted by Nikola Tesla indirectly . Because of Sun rotation and magnetohydrodynamic effects like : plasma frozen-in magnetic field lines and magnetic reconnection (the same what is the cause for large EM pulse at the atomic bomb explosion)
The result among nice Aurora Borealis are PURE magnetic waves of very high frequency  in Earth magnetosphere (Alfven waves and more)  Radiant energy rivers....

it is all of course all hyphotetical and mystic knowledge  :-X

Study plasma...


"The hot coronal plasma making up the solar wind possesses an extremely high electrical conductivity. In such a plasma, we expect the concept of ``frozen-in'' magnetic field-lines, discussed in Sect. 5.3, to be applicable. The continuous flow of coronal material into interplanetary space must, therefore, result in the transport of the solar magnetic field into the interplanetary region. If the Sun did not rotate, the resulting magnetic configuration would be very simple. The radial coronal expansion considered above (with the neglect of any magnetic forces) would produce magnetic field-lines extending radially outward from the Sun.

Of course, the Sun does rotate, with a (latitude dependent) period of about 25 days.22 Since the solar photosphere is an excellent electrical conductor, the magnetic field at the base of the corona is frozen into the rotating frame of reference of the Sun. A magnetic field-line starting from a given location on the surface of the Sun is drawn out along the path followed by the element of the solar wind emanating from that location."
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 11, 2008, 04:38:04 PM
Maxwell's equations are incomplete.  I'll get you a link to the details this weekend when I have the time.

I'll also give you examples of what the elite have said in public... which will give you chills - and make you wonder what they say in private.

Thanks---I'll look for it.  :)

Quote from: Elvis Oswald
I did go to college - Information Technologies - and I agree that there are good instructors and they are not part of a plot.
But you must also agree that if knowledge in a field is too far down the wrong path... then even "out of the box" critical thinking is crippled.
Back when men thought the earth was the center of the solar system... critical thinkers were killed.  :)  How long did it take to straighten that assumption out?

Look for more info in a couple of days.

Did you observe suppression of information or feel controlled in your IT classes?  I'm asking about IT specifically, since that's a technical field and therefore is perhaps somewhat analogous to physics and engineering, which is where free energy concepts would have to be suppressed, I'm guessing.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 11, 2008, 04:47:47 PM
Yes,it's all about plasma and magnetic field. Sun rotates and his rotating magnetic field is "frozen" into solar wind (because it is plasma) Solar wind accelerates and it's velocity is already super-sonic
Bow shock is a DYNAMIC effect as already predicted by Nikola Tesla indirectly . Because of Sun rotation and magnetohydrodynamic effects like : plasma frozen-in magnetic field lines and magnetic reconnection (the same what is the cause for large EM pulse at the atomic bomb explosion)
The result among nice Aurora Borealis are PURE magnetic waves of very high frequency  in Earth magnetosphere (Alfven waves and more)  Radiant energy rivers....

it is all of course all hyphotetical and mystic knowledge  :-X

Study plasma...

Very interesting information.  Thanks for bringing it up.   :)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: cyclopz on September 11, 2008, 08:34:46 PM
Wow... people never cease to amaze me. These days science is too much like religion. You have these science fanatics that defend their little conception of reality like it's some holy war.

I believe magnetic motors and cold fusion are highly efficient means of producing energy. We definitely don't need some medieval scientific witch-hunt about it. If it's possible and it creates clean energy, let's share it with the world rather than bickering about it and getting nowhere.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 11, 2008, 09:00:46 PM
Wow... people never cease to amaze me. These days science is too much like religion. You have these science fanatics that defend their little conception of reality like it's some holy war.

I don't see any of that in this thread.  Who and what are you talking about?  Please be specific. 

Quote
I believe magnetic motors and cold fusion are highly efficient means of producing energy. We definitely don't need some medieval scientific witch-hunt about it. If it's possible and it creates clean energy, let's share it with the world rather than bickering about it and getting nowhere.

Great---if you can build a working magnetic motor or cold fusion device, powerful enough to supply electricity to my house or run a car, I and many other people would be willing to pay a lot of money for it.  You'll be rich beyond measure. 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 11, 2008, 10:23:40 PM

Further to earlier points made re: plot to oppress humanity by secret cabal of global elitests.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhqZXj6d6oM

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 12, 2008, 01:00:06 PM
Here's more of the same speech.  No offense... but this is the one to listen to... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxnpujfanUM&feature=related

Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a President say this today?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: spinner on September 12, 2008, 01:58:53 PM
Wow... people never cease to amaze me. These days science is too much like religion. You have these science fanatics that defend their little conception of reality like it's some holy war.

I believe magnetic motors and cold fusion are highly efficient means of producing energy. We definitely don't need some medieval scientific witch-hunt about it. If it's possible and it creates clean energy, let's share it with the world rather than bickering about it and getting nowhere.

O M G ...

How old are you? If you're under, say, 11, you're OK.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: valveman on September 12, 2008, 05:10:57 PM
Suppressed maybe, maybe not. 
I want to believe in over unity and free energy.  That is why groups like this get me excited about the concept.  However,  I need to see, touch and evaluate before I am 100% convinced it is possible.  That being said, I keep my mind open to ideas and experiment on ideas I feel may have promise.  I don't believe there is anything such as failure.  I look at what many would call a failure as an opportunity to steer in another direction.  After all, you cannot learn what works if you don't understand what doesn't.

Robert
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2008, 11:02:37 PM

JFK learned of the plot against humanity from his father who was part of the conspiracy cabal.

JFK somehow developed on his own, a conscience...which he apparently couldn't suppress, so he chose to follow his conscience soon after his father lost control of his son following his mentally incapacitating stroke.

JFK planned to dismantle the CIA, get rid of the Federal Reserve...and had already starting issuing US Greenbacks as currency.

JFK, MLK, and RFK hang out with the Dead Groundbreaker Society...unfortunately for the Kennedy boys their karma has them groveling and Kissing Marilyn Monroe's ass for eternity or walk a looong mile in her shoes (wearing spiked heels) in another incarnation.

The assassination of the Kennedy boys evened the score up on their involvement in Marilyn's murder.

I'm opened to suggestions as to the karmic reason for JFK junior's purported purposeful demise.

Regards...

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: fritz on September 12, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
Energy is a synonym for power and control.

Maybe "no energy" instead of "free energy"
would cause less trouble.

"free energy" is the most evil thing on earth.
(if you sell weapons or/and are a part of the oil
industry). Forget terrorism.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ben8807 on September 12, 2008, 11:50:15 PM
Energy is a synonym for power and control.

Maybe "no energy" instead of "free energy"
would cause less trouble.

"free energy" is the most evil thing on earth.
(if you sell weapons or/and are a part of the oil
industry). Forget terrorism.

Sorry but the argument is BS. Water used to be the valuable commodity, but now almost everywhere on the planet it is cheap and abundant. Same with food for the most part. If energy were free, products would still not be. If suddenly the world no longer needed petroleum for power we would still need it for most of the products we enjoy. It's like the argument that the oil companies are squashing bio fuels. If bio-fuels are really a cheaper alternative to oil then the oil companies are going to be the first to pioneer the use on a large scale. Whats cheaper, spending time drilling and exploring with a high chance of finding nothing, or growing algae in huge tanks? When the answer is algae the oil companies will hop on board because it is better for their profits.

Also, who is going to refine these new bio fuels? Who is going to provide the technology?

Free energy is not a threat to big auto or big oil, quite the oposite it could cause their profits to go up greatly.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: fritz on September 13, 2008, 09:13:02 AM
Sorry but the argument is BS. Water used to be the valuable commodity, but now almost everywhere on the planet it is cheap and abundant.

Depends on where you live.
I think there´s a major problem with water - especially in combination with
excessive agriculture. The water level in such regions steadily drops.
And we dont want to talk here about the Sahara.
There are people who expect the next wars on water instead of oil.

Same with food for the most part. If energy were free, products would still not be.

Maybe not that high impact on food -
But with unlimited supply of energy - you can synthetisize almost everything
from widely available commodities.
That means that the importance of "expensive" commodities will drop either.

If suddenly the world no longer needed petroleum for power we would still need it for most of the products we enjoy.

No, there are lots of alternatives, especially if the energy is free.

It's like the argument that the oil companies are squashing bio fuels. If bio-fuels are really a cheaper alternative to oil then the oil companies are going to be the first to pioneer the use on a large scale.

There is no need for squashing bio fuels - maybe it was initially - but the space you need
to grow is huge - the soil gets exhausted (....)
A global change to bio fuel would only make sense if the consumption would drop by
10 or even hundred.

Whats cheaper, spending time drilling and exploring with a high chance of finding nothing, or growing algae in huge tanks? When the answer is algae the oil companies will hop on board because it is better for their profits.

Thats the reason why free energy is important.
Otherwise the people would fuck up the world (is cheaper) as long as nothing remains.

Also, who is going to refine these new bio fuels? Who is going to provide the technology?
On the long run I think the bio fuels will have no impact.

Free energy is not a threat to big auto or big oil, quite the oposite it could cause their profits to go up greatly.

If they can participate in the change to alternative energy ressources - I agree.
And they want to control this change very tightly - to be in the game.
Additional, they want to protect their investments.
This is a reason why it is within their vital interest to visit any researcher claiming
free energy.
On the long run - they will make their money with "free energy" - and by some laws
the production of your own "energy" would be prohibited. (too dangerous)

If you look what happens in the countries with lots of fossile ressources - you see
that they invest now every petro dollar into education, science and other alternative
income. Thats my proof that free energy exists.

Anyway - we experience the change from a commodity based society to a technological based
society - and everyone tries to protect its interests and/or  investments.

thats it. money. No MIB, just "agents" which helps you on the right way ;-)))

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: cyclopz on September 13, 2008, 10:04:14 AM
If electromagnetic generators become widely available and affordable to the average consumer (which I hope they will be in the near future), the world is going to go through a huge shift. No more electric companies, no more nuclear power plants, no more oil drilling, no more gas price increases...

Okay basically it boils down to this... (I heard this on a radio show and I agree) For the past 5,000 years or so we've been a world based on a war-driven economy. We use up resources until they're all gone, then we go plunder a neighboring country and take over their resources, use them til they're gone, then go plunder another country, etc. As evolved as we are with our computers and medicine and spacecraft... we are STILL essentially a war-driven economy. Look at the war in Iraq if you need proof of that. The problem is we've out-grown our caveman technology... It's no longer horses and spears. We have bombs that could destroy basically all life on earth. We can no longer function on a war-based economy. And we certainly can't suppress clean energy technology any longer if we intend to make any progress as a species. I think the release of free-energy technology will be THEE turning point in history, from a world economy based on warfare, to a world economy based on unity and progress. So, do you support a war-based economy or do you support a progress-based economy? You can't have both. There's only one option: progress. War-driven politics is going to inevitably lead us to our doom as a species.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: tsl on September 13, 2008, 02:04:17 PM
Why is free energy supressed?
See here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&ei=BKzLSI7uC53w2gLd_92-Ag&q=endgame+&hl=en)
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 14, 2008, 12:49:46 AM
This is going on a tangent... but consider it reference.

The military industrial complex that Ike warned us about... the same one born out of the plot by certain families to overthrow the Republic and replace it with fascism... got JFK because of all the things he planned to do.
The Marylin thing was probably that same cabal using her to compromise John... I bet they thought they could blackmail him - he was Joe's boy... shooting him wouldn't have been the first attempt at stopping him.
The rumors of an affair... his brother involved with the same girl... and finally, she turns up dead... at the least, it would be thought, they drove her to it.
All meant to discourage John.  I guess it didn't.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 14, 2008, 12:50:41 AM
Here's the link to some info on the rest of Maxwell's equations.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward760.htm
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 14, 2008, 01:18:56 AM

Evidently the only thing that was going to stop the Kennedy boys was a bullet.

And coincidentally, just before her demise, Marilyn announced a whistle-blowing news conference.

Regards...
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 14, 2008, 01:35:11 AM
Here's the link to some info on the rest of Maxwell's equations.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward760.htm

Thanks---I'll have a look. 
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 14, 2008, 05:20:23 AM
Here's the link to some info on the rest of Maxwell's equations.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward760.htm

I did a little reading on this and here is my take on it.  First, Maxwell's paper A Dynamical Theory of the Electrical Field apparently is the first place where "Maxwell's Equations" appear.  It's available here (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/A_Dynamical_Theory_of_the_Electromagnetic_Field.pdf) in pdf form, and there's a discussion on this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dynamical_Theory_of_the_Electromagnetic_Field) wikipedia page. 

On page 465, Maxwell describes the equations involved in his theory.  There are 8 general relationships, which correspond to 20 actual equations, which can be condensed down to 8 equations using modern notation (no loss of information here, just different notation).  These 8 equations are given on the wikipedia page. 

As your source mentions, Heaviside's version of Maxwell's Equations is different than Maxwell's.  I don't think he "deleted" anything, though---it just looks to me as if he reorganized things and used more economical vector notation.  For example, Maxwell's original 20 included three which together comprise the Lorentz Force Law.  That law has just been separated out and stands on its own now.   

I would be interested to see if you can find any of these 20 equations which have been suppressed in any way.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Elvis Oswald on September 14, 2008, 04:15:14 PM
I concede that those who say "20 equations were reduced to 4" are not quite right.  I would suppose that if Maxwell reduced the 20 to 8 equations himself... then those 8 are complete.
But according to the wikipedia link... Heaviside used one outright and then combined 2 more to make one... that's 3.
It didn't mention that his other 2 were replacements for 2 more of Maxwell's - much less that they were a replacement for the 5 left.
If they replace 2 - then you still have 3 missing.  Or maybe there's 5 missing.

Specifically being suppressed - I cannot say and I would not think that's how it happened.  I'd say that Heaviside's equations were "adopted" and have been used ever since.  They even call them Maxwell's equations.

What percentage of electromechanical knowledge - developed over the last 100 years - has relied on those equations has a base?
What if there are elements missing?

It'll take someone with more mathematical genius than me to decide that.  To me - it's smoke.  And when there's smoke...

Take for instance the "news" that scientists can now broadcast electricity.  WTF?  How about Tesla did that over 100 years ago.
Not only has it been ignored - but the articles I've read on the "latest" have not mentioned Tesla at all.
And I believe I remember threads on this forum and others were "engineers" poo-poo'ed  wireless electricity as just a Tesla myth.

Well - at the same time he discovered that he could broadcast and receive electricity... he also said that it would be free.
That's about the time his funding was pulled...

I don't believe everything some of these free energy kooks say... but I believe Tesla knew what he was talking about.
Just the fact that Tesla has been suppressed - which to me is obvious - means that technology is being suppressed... and the only way smart people wouldn't figure it out is if they were miseducated at a base level.

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: madsen on September 14, 2008, 08:00:25 PM
I concede that those who say "20 equations were reduced to 4" are not quite right.  I would suppose that if Maxwell reduced the 20 to 8 equations himself... then those 8 are complete.
But according to the wikipedia link... Heaviside used one outright and then combined 2 more to make one... that's 3.
It didn't mention that his other 2 were replacements for 2 more of Maxwell's - much less that they were a replacement for the 5 left.
If they replace 2 - then you still have 3 missing.  Or maybe there's 5 missing.

You make a good point---certainly it would be reasonable to investigate what became of these 8 equations.  I'm no expert on E&M, but here's what I find.  I'll use letters A--H to label the equations as in the wikipedia article we were discussing.

A & C were combined to give Ampere's Law (one of the modern 4 Maxwell's Equations)
B is the definition of vector magnetic potential (which is mentioned on page 234 of Griffiths' Electrodynamics, a very popular E&M textbook)
D is now called the Lorentz Force Law
E defines the Electric Displacement Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_displacement)
F is Ohm's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law) (the continuum form)
G is Gauss' Law (one of the modern 4 Maxwell's Equations)
H, the Equation of Continuity of Charge, appears on page 291 of Dugdale's Essentials of Electromagnetism, another E&M textbook. 

So it looks to me as if all of Maxwell's original 8 equations still show up in mainstream textbooks and wikipedia.  What has happened is that they have been regrouped or reorganized into a form which hopefully is more logical and elegant than the original form.  We also should remember that Maxwell actually was doing a job similar to Heaviside's---he didn't invent these equations from scratch, but built on the work of others, and attempted to organize the equations into a coherent theory. 

Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ScaryTruth on November 15, 2008, 12:35:25 PM
These are matters of the highest magnitude, on the world stage, with the potential to alter humanity - nearly overnight and forever. Once a genie of this sort is released, the entire world's energy industries as we have come to know them would be turned upside down.
Imagine power plants worldwide, slowly grinding to a halt. Coal, natural gas and oil production shrinking to near zero within several years. Electrical towers and power lines that criss-cross the entire world, slowly, yet streadily withering away within a decade. Imagine the manufacturers of all of the specialized equipment involved in oil drilling and refining, coal mining and delivery systems ceasing to exist. Re-tooling and re-equipping ocean-going ships of all sizes, every existing locomotive and semi, not to mention the entire automotive industry, worldwide. No power generating plants anywhere, on the planet, within five years. Literally hundreds of millions of skilled laborers, out of work.
There are very powerful and extremely clever cabals that will do anything, and I do mean anything, to prevent this. The magnitude of the stakes cannot be exaggerated - there are none higher - in human history.
The economic implications are profound. World wars III and IV could be waged at the same time. Nuclear exchanges would likely be widespread.
Somewhere, eventually, someone will begin to manufacture a viable overunity device. And these bands of thugs will resort to open, blatant destruction of such technologies at their point of manufacture and will openly engage in unabashed, well-publicized murder - possibly on grand scales. Shadow governments relish making examples. How can they be held accountable when the missle launcher can't be found? And plausible deniability reigns supreme in such matters.
Is there a better example better than that of the 911 attacks?
Make no mistake. When the real men in black own the government and judicial system, restraint, fear or honor are non-factors. The real factors are wealth and it's control.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ScaryTruth on November 15, 2008, 12:42:12 PM
The current financial system will collapse?  I do not think you have thought your scenario all the way through.  Why would the financial system collapse from an overabundance of energy?  Take another key resource - food.  Let's say we discovered a device that creates any type of food you like.  Press a button and boom, out of nothing.  Is the financial system going to collapse?  Why would it?  Everyone has plenty, and the farmers will just need to find new jobs.  On the other hand, if the opposite occurred and all farms suddenly failed to produce anything, then yes, the financial system could collapse because food would suddenly become very scarce and billions would die in the process of finding alternative food sources.

In your scenario, there is too much energy.  So what?  Yes, some energy companies would go out of business.  Unemployment may rise in some sectors, but hey, at least those people would not have electric bills anymore, and most likely new jobs would be created due to the energy surplus, so the unemployment would be temporary.  Other energy companies would adopt the new technology and put it to full use, and presto, suddenly electricity is too cheap to meter, like cable TV signal, for example, and everyone would benefit.  $25 per month for all you need.  Does this sound like financial collapse?

Do you actually have any experience predicting economic events, or are you just throwing things out?

Would you care to re-think your ideas here in late 2008?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Doug1 on November 15, 2008, 01:49:20 PM
 Do you ever think about the other side of the coin. From the point of view of those who hold the key?
 What must they be thinking watching you? Are they more afraid of the MIB or you?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: ScaryTruth on November 15, 2008, 02:06:50 PM
Do you ever think about the other side of the coin. From the point of view of those who hold the key?
 What must they be thinking watching you? Are they more afraid of the MIB or you?
I am convinced that all large events are orchestrated by men that hide behind the curtain - a shadow government that makes it it's business to manange the masses. The 911 attacks, for instance, set the stage for the sea-change we are engulfed in.
Public consent is often manufactured through such "disasters", in order to pursue otherwise unthinkable intrigues.
And the financial meltdown was yet another step in the hidden agenda - disguised as "unforeseen" and attributable to overt "greed".
"They" are the masters of the MIB and "they" hold the keys - the true levers of real power, and their plans are well refined, long in the making and are rife with what can only be described as unadulterated evil on the grandest of scales.
I just commented because Lyndon LaRouche was predicticting publicly, nearly 18 months ago, the very thing that "surprised" us in late September.
And I'm afraid that it's going to get worse, possibly much, much worse, before it gets better.
Buy non-perishable foodstuffs and any critical medications - in bulk.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: alan on November 15, 2008, 02:08:33 PM
Not surpressed (maybe in the past), but underdeveloped, because it is a huge investment risk.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: dean_mcgowan on November 15, 2008, 02:23:34 PM
i still find it difficult to accep it is suppressed. what is the proof it has been?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: alan on November 15, 2008, 02:38:27 PM
No proof, only indians tales.

Like the "mib in black vans, who picked up all of stan meyers' stuff" If that was true, then his stuff wouldn't be found right now.
cold fusion is real i think, but has been ridiculed by scientists, so no sponsored research is possible.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on November 15, 2008, 02:54:49 PM
Efficient solar panels were known from years but are still not available.Check scientific reports back from 80
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: shruggedatlas on November 15, 2008, 05:47:17 PM
Would you care to re-think your ideas here in late 2008?

No, I would not.  The current crisis is not being caused by the wide availablility of free energy.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: alan on November 15, 2008, 06:33:00 PM
Here's the link to some info on the rest of Maxwell's equations.

http://www.halexandria.org/dward760.htm
"The great flaw in mainstream physics today is that no one seems willing to look at the effects of accelerating  fields."

What are accelerating field, and what exactly should be investigated?

possible answers:
- second derivative of the field?
- it's effects, or, what depends on it?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on November 15, 2008, 06:58:02 PM
Accelerated magnetic field = current flow
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: forest on November 15, 2008, 08:55:43 PM
Read this : http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/12/black-silicon-could-revolutionize-solar-cell-technology/
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: TechStuf on November 15, 2008, 09:48:57 PM


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Make no mistake. When the real men in black own the government and judicial system, restraint, fear or honor are non-factors. The real factors are wealth and it's control.



Well said.


Those are some of the fears of the cowardly cabal who, through it's army of misled minions, are woefully, if conveniently, misplaced.


They fear an army comprised of those whom they consider 'lesser men'.  When in fact, they should be fearing that heavenly army of much greater beings and their Commander in Chief.  And when they see the sign of His coming in the heavens, they will beat themselves in grief, seeking to hide themselves under rocks, in underground shelters, even try and shoot themselves to avoid facing Justice, yet it will be too late, death will escape them.


"And I shall bring to ruin, those ruining the Earth." - Yahweh, Almighty God


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2544201117194037997



Blessings in Yeshua,


TS
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on December 15, 2008, 09:20:42 PM
Hello shruggedatlas,

You are totally sick if you do not beleive that free energy has not been held up.   Free energy is alltogather different than wind or solor power.   Free energy would bring down the big guys to our level.

Later,,,,,,JackH


This comment is more insightful than the poster realises.  Free energy would tend to equalise the balance of power between the state and the citizen because it would empower the latter with a tremendously powerful technology.  It might reduce the authority of the state to such an extent that it would practically cease to exist.  Think about the implications of this.  Are you ready for such a profound transformation of human relations?
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on December 15, 2008, 09:26:17 PM
Hello linda933,

Well here I go.    Yes I have been treatened around 21 times on the phone.   As far as NY and as close as my home town.   I have been told that to stop on the motor or I would be killed.  Also the last two times I was called it was on my cell phone,  I dont now how they got my cell phone number.   The last two times I was to stop on the motor or my shop would be burnt.

I have placed 5 camerias around the shop to watch it, I have a camera on my drive way to watch out for how comes up my drive way.    Yes I am very carefull when I go to the shop, I take a 357  magnum with me, I keep the door locked and I allways look at the cameras before answering the door.

I viseted the shareffs office and the phone numbers were un-traceable,  All they could tell me was where they come from.

Later,,,,,,,JackH


The phone calls came from officials in the government's intelligence services.  You may believe that they are acting on behalf of entrenched economic interests, but this is not so.  The authorities only intervene if you are doing something dangerous.  By attempting to construct a magnet motor you are indeed attempting to reproduce dangerous technology.  If I was you I would heed the warnings and leave magnet motors alone for the sake of your safety and the safety of people around you.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on December 15, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Free energy is a threat to the status quo.....it is a direct threat to the whole economic system we have, a system that is all about control and manipulation.Free energy is freedom...it is the frontier with so much promise......

Freedom to do what?  It could equaly be freedom to do harm or good.  Are you ready for such freedom and what about everyone else?  How would they handle that freedom?  Maybe we need 'control and manipulation' until we are ready for this freedom.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: Freedomfuel on December 15, 2008, 09:48:53 PM
Now, if there is a DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY ( with meaning being able to accumulate considerable energy in a small space/time/cost that can be utilized ) THAT IS BEING ADVERTISED ( note that according this wind/solar/termal are not disruptive technologies ) the markets will INCUR A HUGE RISK ... and A HUGE DISRUPTION  most likely the people in control of the markets via the energy sector will LOOSE  A LOT OF MONEY ( in a very short period of time, note that I am talking about the NEWS OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY ).  And now much of this 270 trillion options will be (  most likely ) executed to hedge against the ABRUPT CHANGE ... and the current financial system will collapse for it has build these instruments in ITSELF ...

The only solution for the NEW/OLD OU technologies is to grow from the grass roots ... or more and more people to be aware and to know about and how to use them. Yes there are risks associated with that too but eventually we will have to face the risks anyway sooner or later ...

A change in one WELL ESTABLISHED system never comes from the top AND IT IS ALWAYS DISRUPTIVE ...

I believe, AFTER FINDING ITS NEW BALANCE .... it will be BETTER WORLD !!!!


When military researchers were immersed in flying saucer research in the 1950s such concerns as these were on their minds and on the minds of their political masters.  The fear at the time was that the release of the technology could be so disruptive that it might upset the whole apple cart.  This is not the same as merely protecting special interests, which is what most people think that it is about.  Something so disruptive might hurt the interests of everyone.  Bear in mind that during an economic crisis the people at the top of the social hierarchy are best able defend their interests, as the collapse of the Soviet Union demonstrated.  In such circumstances it is the little guy who looses his savings.  As you can see their concern for the effects of such disruption was motivated by a desire to protect people from harm rather than protect the status quo.  Since that time governments have been in a qaundry about how tho introduce the technology without doing more harm than good.

Maybe epwpixieq-1 is right and it has to be introduced at a grass rootes level first and permeate society from there.  You can see this happening now with people using making their own water cells to improve the fuel economy of their cars.
Title: Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
Post by: teslaedison on May 11, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
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