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Offline klamathpro

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2007, 07:50:48 PM »
I'll give you the simplest example that affects us all.  Just look at the cost of one single 165W solar panel.  Why the frak does it still cost $800 to manufacture and sell one single 165w solar cell, technology that has been around for decades? It costs over $30,000 to get your home off the grid. By the time you recoup that in savings, you'll be replacing parts, spending more money. If the government wanted us to harness free energy like the sun, they would mandate lower costs to produce these free energy items.  The solar tax credit is a joke, not even covering the cost of the batteries, why not allow a 100% solar tax credit for saving the planet?  States mandate that all lottery ticket profits go to the schools.  If they have that kind of power to decide where a company spends it's profits, why doesn't the government use it's power to give us something back? 

Because you can't tax the sun.
You can't tax the wind.
You can't tax the vacuum.

If it can't be taxed, the government wants nothing to do with it.

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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2007, 02:08:47 AM »
If the government wanted us to harness free energy like the sun, they would mandate lower costs to produce these free energy items.

New to economics?  Price controls do not work.

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 02:40:14 AM »
Hello linda933,

Well here I go.    Yes I have been treatened around 21 times on the phone.   As far as NY and as close as my home town.   I have been told that to stop on the motor or I would be killed.  Also the last two times I was called it was on my cell phone,  I dont now how they got my cell phone number.   The last two times I was to stop on the motor or my shop would be burnt.

I have placed 5 camerias around the shop to watch it, I have a camera on my drive way to watch out for how comes up my drive way.    Yes I am very carefull when I go to the shop, I take a 357  magnum with me, I keep the door locked and I allways look at the cameras before answering the door.

I viseted the shareffs office and the phone numbers were un-traceable,  All they could tell me was where they come from.

Later,,,,,,,JackH

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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2007, 02:40:14 AM »
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Offline mapsrg

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2007, 03:37:17 AM »
Free energy is a threat to the status quo.....it is a direct threat to the whole economic system we have, a system that is all about control and manipulation.Free energy is freedom...it is the frontier with so much promise......

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2007, 08:20:28 PM »
For the purposes of this discussion ?free energy? means lightning energy from the upper atmosphere.  This could be regarded as a form of solar energy which would makes it another renewable.

Shruggedatlas has pointed out that there are many ?free energy? technologies that are not suppressed, if by ?free energy? you mean things that take energy out of the environment.  As he/she says wind, water and solar energy have the potential to threaten the dominance of fossil fuels in the energy market if they can lower costs or achieve economies of scale, yet there is no government policy of discouraging them let alone attempting to keep advances in these technologies secret.  It is true that the oil lobby has attempted to have subsidies for nuclear and renewables removed in order to create a level playing field, but that hardly counts as suppression.

Shruggedatlas also makes the point that there is no precedent for a new technology being kept secret in order to protect existing industries.  Aero planes were not classified secret in order to protect the transatlantic liner industry.  Automobiles were not classified in order to protect the horse drawn buggy industry.  Transistors were not classified secret order to protect the thermionic valve industry.  What happened was that thermionic valve manufactures simply switched to manufacturing transistors.  Surely the same thing would happen with free energy.  Rather than seeing it as a threat the oil companies would see an opportunity to get into the highly profitable business of manufacturing and leasing free energy devices.  Already some of the more progressive oil companies have defined their role as suppliers of energy whatever the source and at least one of the oil majors has planed for peak oil by anticipating that renewables eventually will make up most of their business.

I don?t agree with Elvis Oswald who makes a distinction between other renewables and true free energy based on the cost of investment in the equipment.  Even the true free energy device would require some investment to manufacture, so it would not be entirely free.  Hans Von Lieven is probably right in that we would not be allowed to supply all our energy needs for the rest of our life for just the cost of a microwave oven.  That would be too disruptive so I expect we would have to lease the devices.

The problem that has challenged governments for the last sixty years is the fact that the free energy device can do more than just make inexpensive electricity.  If it was solely a generator then we would have had the technology in the 1950s and no-one would be using fuel today.  However, the free energy device is like the PC in that it is a universal machine with a various functions some of which are benign while others are weird, scary and dangerous.  It is because of these other functions that governments cannot trust the public with this technology.  This is a tremendous dilemma for them because they know that UFO technology is the solution to problems that have defeated mainstream science.  Global warming could be put into reverse, cancer cured, and faster than light space travel would be possible.  This would clearly be a great boon to mankind, but the possibility that a lone nut could use free energy to blow up the neighborhood provokes such dread that they cannot bring themselves to make a UFO disclosure. When free energy was first discovered by government scientists sixty years ago there was an agreement among the governments of the world to keep the discovery secret until the world?s conflicts were resolved, thus minimizing the chance that it could be used as a weapon. Now there is probably a majority of scientists and national security officials privy to the UFO secret who wants to bring the technology out, but the fear that it may be used as a weapon means that they cannot find the resolve to make this step.  This is illogical when you think about it, because even if the Iraqis used the technology to wreak havoc the lives lost would be less than lives saved by a cancer cure, along with the lives of Chinese coal miners and those killed by extreme weather caused by global warming.  There must be a deeper cause for their inhibition.  Could it be that the technology is just too powerful to give to the public and if the public possessed it this would undermine the authority of the state?  The status quo today requires that governments have the most powerful technology.  What would happen to the status quo when everyone has the means to blow up the neighborhood and travel in aircraft capable of 30,000 mph?  Anarchy?  The end of civilization as we know it? 


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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2007, 04:37:54 AM »
Hello linda933,

Well here I go.    Yes I have been treatened around 21 times on the phone.   As far as NY and as close as my home town.   I have been told that to stop on the motor or I would be killed.  Also the last two times I was called it was on my cell phone,  I dont now how they got my cell phone number.   The last two times I was to stop on the motor or my shop would be burnt.

I have placed 5 camerias around the shop to watch it, I have a camera on my drive way to watch out for how comes up my drive way.    Yes I am very carefull when I go to the shop, I take a 357  magnum with me, I keep the door locked and I allways look at the cameras before answering the door.

I viseted the shareffs office and the phone numbers were un-traceable,  All they could tell me was where they come from.

Later,,,,,,,JackH


And do not forget to always wear the TINFOIL on the head - you cannot be too careful.

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2007, 09:53:43 PM »
And do not forget to always wear the TINFOIL on the head - you cannot be too careful.
The guy says he has had his life and property threatened and you accuse him of being a tinfoil hat type. Why, because it doesn't fit into your system of disbelief? Do you think the world has to conform to your fantasies?
I have read enough first hand accounts of suppression, let alone the hundreds of better known cases, to be convinced of this activity. The history and documentation of energy suppression is long and full. I don't see how there could even be a dispute at this point in time.
Carburetors alone are a full and convincing study of blatant suppression. Do you think cars are getting 15 to 20 MPG after a hundred years of existence, because nobody can figure out how to make them more efficient? A car uses only about 20 to 25 percent of the energy in a gallon of gas. The rest is wasted as heat and unburned fuel. Tell me with a straight face that this is the best we can do.
Banks and corporations run this country. Consequently, decisions are not made according to what is best for you and I, but rather to preserve the status quo and not disrupt the revenue stream.
Reality makes a whole lot more sense if you keep this in mind.

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Offline JackH

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2007, 01:09:05 AM »

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH

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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2007, 03:14:21 AM »

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH

Maybe I am a dumb "none beleiver," though after that remark, you are no one to call other people dumb.  I have been skeptical of you ever since you mentioned that you are selling shares of your "free energy" company for $5K a pop.  Reminds me of Joseph Newman.

And Eddy, what is this you are talking about regarding mileage?  The subcompacts and hybrid vehicles are extremely fuel efficient.  These cars are not suppressed, but in fact widely touted for their gas efficiency.  However, most Americans prefer to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance and comfort because - surprise - America is a wealthy nation and gasoline is still relatively inexpensive.  And what does Toyota care about American oil companies?  Do you have evidence, or are you just repeating something you read on www.topsecretstuffenergycompaniesarekeepingfromthesheeple.com?

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2007, 03:35:34 AM »

Thanks Eddy Currentz ,

 Some people are just too dumb to know what they are saying.  A none beleiver is what we do not need here.   Suppression is for real.   Maybe I should tape one of them, send it to her,  however, she probably would not beleive the tape was real.   I gave up on convincing none beleivers a long time ago.

Later,,,,,,JackH

Maybe I am a dumb "none beleiver," though after that remark, you are no one to call other people dumb.  I have been skeptical of you ever since you mentioned that you are selling shares of your "free energy" company for $5K a pop.  Reminds me of Joseph Newman.

And Eddy, what is this you are talking about regarding mileage?  The subcompacts and hybrid vehicles are extremely fuel efficient.  These cars are not suppressed, but in fact widely touted for their gas efficiency.  However, most Americans prefer to sacrifice fuel efficiency for performance and comfort because - surprise - America is a wealthy nation and gasoline is still relatively inexpensive.  And what does Toyota care about American oil companies?  Do you have evidence, or are you just repeating something you read on www.topsecretstuffenergycompaniesarekeepingfromthesheeple.com?


Hey that link doesnt work  :D ;)

seriously though, do you think that forums like this are being watched/visited just incase we may accomplish OU that could be utilised by everybody for all there energy needs, if the governments are that bothered surely they would be?.

chad.

Offline JackH

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2007, 05:29:26 AM »
Hello shruggedatlas,

Well I kinda think it is purty smart selling shares for $5000.00 a pop.   I have sold over $200,000.00 so far.  Keeps my shop going, keeps me working on the motors.

Any one that makes fun of someone's life or family being threatened. Has got to be stupid or just plain COLD !!

Later,,,,,,JackH

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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2007, 06:29:17 AM »
Hello shruggedatlas,

Well I kinda think it is purty smart selling shares for $5000.00 a pop.   I have sold over $200,000.00 so far.  Keeps my shop going, keeps me working on the motors.

Any one that makes fun of someone's life or family being threatened. Has got to be stupid or just plain COLD !!

Later,,,,,,JackH


Purty smart?  As in, "you sure got ah purty mouth?" 

I do not make fun - I question it.  If some sinister underground cabal wanted you dead, you would be dead.  On the other hand, death threats surely help sell the story, and that is $200K those people are never getting back.

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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2007, 06:49:41 AM »
So if there is no suppression - then great.
Give us back all of Tesla's documents and we'll call it day.

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2007, 10:48:38 PM »
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The end of civilization as we know it? 

Most likely yes ... or at least will end the "status quo". Almost all of our current market system is based on "status quo" , with meaning everything is "predicted" with with some probability in the future and PRICED and INCLUDED in the price of shares and the other markets. Based on these predictions options ( insurance against ANY risks )  have been sold off ( about 270 TRILLION or $270 000 000 000 000, about 10x world GDP ). Now all this is for PROTECTION against RISK ... the markets DO NOT LIKE RISK. Now, if there is a DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY ( with meaning being able to accumulate considerable energy in a small space/time/cost that can be utilized ) THAT IS BEING ADVERTISED ( note that according this wind/solar/termal are not disruptive technologies ) the markets will INCUR A HUGE RISK ... and A HUGE DISRUPTION  most likely the people in control of the markets via the energy sector will LOOSE  A LOT OF MONEY ( in a very short period of time, note that I am talking about the NEWS OF THE NEW TECHNOLOGY ).  And now much of this 270 trillion options will be (  most likely ) executed to hedge against the ABRUPT CHANGE ... and the current financial system will collapse for it has build these instruments in ITSELF ...

The only solution for the NEW/OLD OU technologies is to grow from the grass roots ... or more and more people to be aware and to know about and how to use them. Yes there are risks associated with that too but eventually we will have to face the risks anyway sooner or later ...

Tesla sad: " ... ... it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature"

As we can, regrettably  see, it is not ONLY "a mere question of time" but also of powerful economical interests.

A change in one WELL ESTABLISHED system never comes from the top AND IT IS ALWAYS DISRUPTIVE ...

I believe, AFTER FINDING ITS NEW BALANCE .... it will be BETTER WORLD !!!!

Best

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Re: Why Free Energy Is Suppressed
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2007, 12:48:29 AM »
and the current financial system will collapse for it has build these instruments in ITSELF ...

The current financial system will collapse?  I do not think you have thought your scenario all the way through.  Why would the financial system collapse from an overabundance of energy?  Take another key resource - food.  Let's say we discovered a device that creates any type of food you like.  Press a button and boom, out of nothing.  Is the financial system going to collapse?  Why would it?  Everyone has plenty, and the farmers will just need to find new jobs.  On the other hand, if the opposite occurred and all farms suddenly failed to produce anything, then yes, the financial system could collapse because food would suddenly become very scarce and billions would die in the process of finding alternative food sources.

In your scenario, there is too much energy.  So what?  Yes, some energy companies would go out of business.  Unemployment may rise in some sectors, but hey, at least those people would not have electric bills anymore, and most likely new jobs would be created due to the energy surplus, so the unemployment would be temporary.  Other energy companies would adopt the new technology and put it to full use, and presto, suddenly electricity is too cheap to meter, like cable TV signal, for example, and everyone would benefit.  $25 per month for all you need.  Does this sound like financial collapse?

Do you actually have any experience predicting economic events, or are you just throwing things out?

 

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