Author Topic: Working Attraction Magnet Motor on Youtube!? (Read 360439 times)

hartiberlin · « **Reply #15 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:24:42 PM »

Quote from: Omnibus on October 16, 2007, 04:31:11 PM

I agree. Like I said, this should be replicated right away. So far this is the best experiment demonstrating experimentally perpetuum mobile.

P.S. Probably Stefan should consolidate the two threads.

I have now merged the 2 threads and set this as the News item !

This is probably the breakthrough in permanent magnet motors we all have
been looking for.

Very well done !
Congratulations.

I hope there will be soon some replications by others.

Many thanks.

Regards,Stefan.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #16 on:** October 16, 2007, 09:29:22 PM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2007, 09:00:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Int5za7Eslo

I watched this video a while ago and it took me a while to re-locate it. Appears to be the same line of thinking. This one appears to use multiple posts around the rotor with magnets on them, or are they just steel/iron blocks?

Bill

In this other video this was faked, as the Perendev principle was use.
Magnets on magnets just does not work,
too many sticky points and these fields are too conservative.

But magnets and iron works in the right combination as this is a modified
SMOT principle. Here we can use the Barkhausen and hysteris effects
from Iron forming a right turning magnetocaloric heat cycle which
outputs energy.

Nastrand2000 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:04:59 PM »

If the screws become magnetized, will the effect quit or be strengthened? Guess we will have to build this to find out. Also, to me, it looks like the rotor is pvc with screws attached to it (with glue?).
Jason

Omnibus · « **Reply #18 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:21:18 PM »

Quote from: hartiberlin on October 16, 2007, 09:29:22 PM

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 16, 2007, 09:00:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Int5za7Eslo

I watched this video a while ago and it took me a while to re-locate it. Appears to be the same line of thinking. This one appears to use multiple posts around the rotor with magnets on them, or are they just steel/iron blocks?

Bill

In this other video this was faked, as the Perendev principle was use.
Magnets on magnets just does not work,
too many sticky points and these fields are too conservative.

But magnets and iron works in the right combination as this is a modified
SMOT principle. Here we can use the Barkhausen and hysteris effects
from Iron forming a right turning magnetocaloric heat cycle which
outputs energy.

Hi Stefan,

This is absolutely fabulous and every one of us must immediately brace oneself up to replicate it. I'm not in the States right now, unfortunately, but as soon as I get back by the end of the month I will immediately try to replicate it. As some know I'm following a different thread and I got here today only by chance and couldn't believe my eyes. Good luck to you and to everyone who would try to reproduce this wonderful experiment. This looks like the breakthrough we've all been looking for.

Omnibus · « **Reply #19 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:26:56 PM »

@All,

This indeed is one of the best practical applications of the SMOT principle (aside from Finsrud's) and is very likely close to what Steorn's Orbo is based on. Hope many of us will be able to reproduce it promptly.

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #20 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:50:56 PM »

G'day all,

I will probably get shouted down for saying this, but I have severe doubts as to the authenticity of this device. Having studied the video very closely I noticed the behaviour of the bracket that holds the magnets is not as one would expect.

It apparently just sits on the board. The ease with which the operator moves it around suggests it is not fastened.

Now there are two ways in which the device might function, if the screws are magnetised repulsion can be used, if they are not only attraction will work.

There must be a force between the screws and the magnets that propels the device. This to me would seem to require that the bracket is rigidly fixed to the base, otherwise it will just get pushed away or attracted to the screws and stick. The weight of the bracket and the magnets is insufficient to hold it in place, especially on the smooth surface of the base board.

I am always weary when an old disk drive is used for a turntable, as it contains a small motor.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Hans von Lieven

hartiberlin · « **Reply #21 on:** October 16, 2007, 10:55:21 PM »

Hi Hans,
if you watch closely he has screwed the magnet holder stand onto his table
plate and can only move it right or left.

HLEV · « **Reply #22 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:05:22 PM »

Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 16, 2007, 10:50:56 PM

G'day all,

I will probably get shouted down for saying this, but I have severe doubts as to the authenticity of this device. Having studied the video very closely I noticed the behaviour of the bracket that holds the magnets is not as one would expect.

It apparently just sits on the board. The ease with which the operator moves it around suggests it is not fastened.

Now there are two ways in which the device might function, if the screws are magnetised repulsion can be used, if they are not only attraction will work.

There must be a force between the screws and the magnets that propels the device. This to me would seem to require that the bracket is rigidly fixed to the base, otherwise it will just get pushed away or attracted to the screws and stick. The weight of the bracket and the magnets is insufficient to hold it in place, especially on the smooth surface of the base board.

I am always weary when an old disk drive is used for a turntable, as it contains a small motor.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Hans von Lieven

There is nothing wrong with being a skeptic, I too have some unanswered questions.
When he lifts the board, the bracket with the magnets does not move at all. If it was fake you would expect it to slide backwards. At the very beginning there is a quick overhead shot where you can see what might be some magnets places inside the short end of the bracket were it contacts the board.
Of course this doesn't make sense because the board does not appear to be metal. I hope the creator will step forward to give us some of the technical details.
I have all the supplies in order to build a replica, I will try to report my results soon.

HL

hansvonlieven · « **Reply #23 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:08:54 PM »

Sorry Stefan,

There is indeed a screw there that holds it to the board, I missed this earlier, but it does not hold much, he moves the bracket with too much ease and does not fasten it after he moves it in place. My earlier comments still stand.

Hans von Lieven

argona369 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:13:36 PM »

Me too Han?s , the audio seems to be faked to me.
Notice the strong click sounds (one out of sync too I think?) when he touches the screw driver to the screws.
The sub titles seem strange too.
It could maybe be a can of compressed air spinning it with fake audio.

Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 16, 2007, 10:50:56 PM

G'day all,

I will probably get shouted down for saying this, but I have severe doubts as to the authenticity of this device. Having studied the video very closely I noticed the behaviour of the bracket that holds the magnets is not as one would expect.

It apparently just sits on the board. The ease with which the operator moves it around suggests it is not fastened.

Now there are two ways in which the device might function, if the screws are magnetised repulsion can be used, if they are not only attraction will work.

There must be a force between the screws and the magnets that propels the device. This to me would seem to require that the bracket is rigidly fixed to the base, otherwise it will just get pushed away or attracted to the screws and stick. The weight of the bracket and the magnets is insufficient to hold it in place, especially on the smooth surface of the base board.

I am always weary when an old disk drive is used for a turntable, as it contains a small motor.

I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.

Hans von Lieven

pese · « **Reply #25 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:19:25 PM »

somes from my link collection.

some ideas shown very atractive ....
G.Pese
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQAo3O2d8cU&mode=related&search= Overunity perpetual motion motor in Japan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy4yRrOw2Ww&mode=related&search= perpetual motion machine /water)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohap0KAo7kE&mode=related&search= perpetuum mobile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uLPMGrMohc&mode=related&search= Bessler ? Gravity Wheel Perpetual Motion Machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsSTE1T4doc&mode=related&search= Scott F. Hall's Gravity Wheel Perpetual Motion Machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhR-K10UjnY&mode=related&search= Perpetual Motion - Leonardo Da Vinci

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20AmMEYVlKo&NR=1 Perpetual Motion Wheel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QD2Whs_LxA&mode=related&search= Chas Campbell - Free Power on TV Inverview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Y8DBXJTt8&mode=related&search= Chas Campbell - Gravity Wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67n40cD7AFw&mode=related&search= Chas Campbell - Gravity Wheel - How It Works

Freezer · « **Reply #26 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:20:26 PM »

The stator magnet looks odd. It looks as if its a bunch of tiny magnets mounted horizontally instead of just 4 magnets, but I can't tell. The screws seems to overlap 2 or half way. The aluminum mount seems tilted as well as the whole rotor mounted to the board. Looks like its gonna be a little harder than it looks.

Theres a user called xpenzif here on the forum, is this the same guy?

hydrocontrol · « **Reply #27 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:31:15 PM »

First off the cylinder with screws appears to be attached to a hard drive platter which would be coated with a magnetic material. This will effect the operation and may have to be taken into account. Hard drive size may add to the mix as the coating on the platter may have a thick or thin density. Hard to tell what the tube material is. Aluminum, steel, cardboard, PVC. Aluminum could have an effect. Cardboard or PVC not likely. Screw type appears to be typical steel type wood screws. I would guess a # 12 size about 3/4 inch long. It could be brass screws on a steel cylinder. The effect of the screws and the platter may end up being a magnetic vortex motion. In any event I suspect replication may not be as easy as it first appears. Perhaps the creator of the device can join us and add some more details before we all run off to replicate (or getting out of control figuring out ways it could be faked.)

.

Speaking of being faked.
Skeptic mode on.. $:-\$ The effect of shaky rotation could be done with a fan source (hair dryer ?) off to the side blowing on the screws. The shape of the screws will act as mini sails and move the cylinder in the same fashion. I am not saying this is faked but just pointing out how it could be faked. Also being a hard drive platter with possible motor attached adds to possibility of a alternate rotation source. A long term video (5 minutes) of it running without messing with it and a total walk around would help remove a fair amount of doubt. Skeptic mode off.

later,
Tom

DrWhat · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:37:32 PM »

I could replicate this, just by blowing air onto one side of it at the right time!

xpenzif · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2007, 11:52:19 PM »

@hans
The aluminum bracket for the neo magnets is held on by one screw. Its fastened tightly enough not to swing into the screws, but loose enough for me to be able to rotate it by hand.
As for the hard drive spindle, I don't blame you at all for being skeptical. The spindle was the most convenient thing I had back then, but now I have several bearings I can use. I've been busy lately but I can a better video made soon(ie to give more angles of the device then even fully disassemble it if you want).
@argona
I noticed too that the audio throughout the video was off by a half second, I don't know why this is.

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