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Offline Grumpy

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Sun-Earth Potential
« on: October 12, 2007, 05:17:41 AM »
Sauron posted this image a while back of the TPU between the Sun and Earth:

(I have much to add to this when I have more time.)

And he posted the infamous forks:





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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2007, 05:24:25 AM »
Very interesting.  The Egyptian topic has always interested me, and I believe they were perhaps more advanced than we our today.  Seems like that lens shape relates too.

Ed Leedskalnin's secret -

"The Secret To The Universe Is 7129 / 6105195."

I found this on the web -

cos(6105195) = cos(45)
45x16 = 720 = 360x2 = 2 rings

cos(7129) = cos(71)
71x16 = 1136 = the speed of sound

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2007, 05:58:50 AM »
Very interesting.  The Egyptian topic has always interested me, and I believe they were perhaps more advanced than we our today.  Seems like that lens shape relates too.

Ed Leedskalnin's secret -

"The Secret To The Universe Is 7129 / 6105195."

I found this on the web -

cos(6105195) = cos(45)
45x16 = 720 = 360x2 = 2 rings

cos(7129) = cos(71)
71x16 = 1136 = the speed of sound

At least someone is up tonight  ;D

The lens - potential energy can be focused - much like light through a lens.

The forks - a fork will "resonate" with another of the same frequency.  Strike one and the other will also vibrate.  So, find a huge source of vibrating energy and you can couple to it through "resonance" if you can make a device that resonates in the same medium.  For example: tuning forks resonate via a medium of air.

On the Leedskalnin cipher:

Two rings or two revolutions.  Infinity symbol or "mobius" is two rings or revolutions.

Speed of sound - I have no idea how that relates.

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2007, 05:58:50 AM »
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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2007, 07:26:50 AM »
Just as an Idea see my Interpretation

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2007, 01:59:16 AM »
The item described as a reflector might be any Egyptian 'singing bowl' listen to the mp3 on this link of a bowl working....

http://www.sacredwaves.com/egyptian_blue_bowls.htm

It might not be a coincidence that the Tibetans, who are also supposed to levitate stone have them..

http://www.sacredwaves.com/tibetan_bowls.htm

also note:

An ankh shaped piece of metal when connected to the handle of a tuning fork makes the sound last three times longer by passing the vibrations back into the forks body...

Egyptian tuning forks had something strung between the fork tines and this was plucked with the handle placed on the object to be resonated...

The tuning fork could be used to resonate the bowl....


Acerzw...

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 02:08:06 AM »
The item described as a reflector might be any Egyptian 'singing bowl' listen to the mp3 on this link of a bowl working....

http://www.sacredwaves.com/egyptian_blue_bowls.htm

An ankh shaped piece of metal when connected to the handle of a tuning fork makes the sound last three times longer by passing the vibrations back into the forks body...

Egyptian tuning forks had something strung between the fork tines and this was plucked with the handle placed on the object to be resonated...

This suggests the tuning fork could be used to resonate the bowl....

Acerzw...

Hi
It might be...or not   i dont know.

helmut

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2007, 04:35:16 AM »
Take a look at this also:

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/ship.htm

and this:

Egyptian Meru

a rectangular stone is covered on 4 sides with wet papyrus. A specially carved wooden rod is struck against the uncovered stone face and removed. While holding the rod, the vibrations will continue to increase, at the greatest amplitude, the rod is re- applied to the exposed stone face. The energy from the rod will suffuse through the stone, alter the neutral center aether flow by stimulated kindling and cause temporary levitation.

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2007, 11:30:01 AM »
see this page:

http://www.crystalinks.com/tuningforks.htm

it has a better picture of the forks, less cropped as well as many other interesting images...

This Egyptian image seems like instructions, a sequence of steps, a demonstration of a principle...

We need to decode this...

Acerzw

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2007, 02:24:59 PM »
Stone has a crystallic structure, and when it vibrates, an electromagnetic field is created around the stone because of the piezo effect. If this electromagnetic field has a nested cylindrical form, it can form an local overpressure in a zpe field, and this causes a repulsion against other mass structures ( earth ).

Esa

Take a look at this also:

http://www.keelynet.com/gravity/ship.htm

and this:

Egyptian Meru

a rectangular stone is covered on 4 sides with wet papyrus. A specially carved wooden rod is struck against the uncovered stone face and removed. While holding the rod, the vibrations will continue to increase, at the greatest amplitude, the rod is re- applied to the exposed stone face. The energy from the rod will suffuse through the stone, alter the neutral center aether flow by stimulated kindling and cause temporary levitation.

Acerzw

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2007, 02:34:18 AM »
I am thinking that the 'four leaf clover' symbol might be a resonant chamber with four lobes each with a hole in the end, where sound waves from a tuning fork could be introduced...

If an Egyptian 'singing bowl' was made of the same material as the resonant chamber and shaped correctly, surely it would resonate sympathetically to the frequency produced inside the chamber. The purpose of the resonant chamber would therefore be to 'construct' a higher frequency, via heterodyning, which could not normally be produced in an open vessel like a bowl, using multiple tuning forks placed at the mouth of each 'lobe'...

Since the bowl would then resonate sympathetically at this new higher frequency anything placed in it would be subjected to the effect of it, without the handicap of being in a resonant chamber where it could not easily be observed (no glass for windows in the resonant chamber) or touched...

Note as stated in my previous post, the tuning forks could have had an Ankh shaped part attached to the end opposite the tines, which would allow the fork to vibrate 3 times longer than normal.. from the short source document I found:

"Some years ago an American friend picked the lock of a door leading to an Egyptian museum store-room measuring approx 8 feet x ten feet. Inside she found "hundreds" of what she described as "tuning forks". These ranged in size from approx 8 inches to approx 8 or 9 feet overall length, and resembled catapults, but with a taut wire stretched between the tines of the "fork". She insists, incidentally, that these were definitely not non-ferrous, but "steel". These objects resembled a letter "U" with a handle (a bit like a pitchfork) and, when the wire was plucked, they vibrated for a prolonged period. It occurs to me to wonder if these devices might have had hardened tool-bits attached to the bottom of their handles and if they might have been used for cutting or engraving stone, once they had been set vibrating."

I guess there could be multiple 'pickups' for this device, one resonant chamber, as many bowls as needed... a distributed system...

I can envisage several uses for such a resonant broadcasting device, nothing to stop it having many different uses controlled by the frequencies used and the contents of the bowl, again not sure if these are all feasible but how about: decomposition of substances (ground rocks) into their constituent elementary substances, boiling fluids, catalysing chemical reactions, plating or electrolysis... applications in levitation or acoustic superconducting also come to mind...

It also begs the question, as mentioned in the above quote, what if the resonant devices were in the shape of something other than a bowl, such as the rods the god statues have in their hands... maybe they had power chisels as suggested or even I would go one step further and say crystal lasers!

Crikey... lasers, what on earth use could they have for them, well certainly not CD players... and no pesky PowerPoint 'Visions & Values' slideshows for Pharaohs... Oh well, how's about as precision rulers for use over short and large distances... what on earth would they need them for... and they could cut their watermelon with lasers.. . no need for washing up any messy animal bone knives...

So perhaps marking, cutting and moving those stone blocks for the pyramids was not too hard after all!

Note just because the Egyptians recorded this does not mean they originated it, it could have easily been handed down by verbal tradition from an advanced culture in pre-history. It is not necessary for them to have used or understood it but merely to have had stories of it passed to them, indeed their own later pyramid building efforts suggest that they did not understand it. However it might have formed an important part of their Pharaohs 'initiation' ceremony so they dutifully document it, like much else, without realising what it really represented. Or on the other hand Thoth who gave them their science could have instructed this panel to be made, and then he left it as an additional clue to humanity along with the Pyramid and the Emerald Tablets... that things had once been less primitive, or indeed he may have hoped that the diagram would lead to the technology being redeveloped later, saving many years of re-inventing the wheel (we wish).

Well a wacky theory anyway, not sure I understand the concept of sympathetic resonance enough to know whether what I envisage is possible...

So I have asked hans 'The Master of Vibration' to comment on this... after all it could just be hypothetical BS on my part... but it does kind'a make a fun story! Well you just know they had to advertise them too... could you imagine  >:(

Acerzw  :) ;) >:( :( :o ::) :P

p.s. a link to the page which has the tuning fork document quoted from above as well as some other interesting but slightly more dubious pyramid related stuff:
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/pyramidsindex.htm
« Last Edit: October 14, 2007, 08:34:56 AM by acerzw »

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2007, 10:32:29 PM »
G?day all,

Thanks acer for putting me on the spot. :D And please leave the ?Master of Vibrations? bullshit out of it. At best I am a ?student of vibrations? and perhaps not a very good one at that, considering the enormity of the subject.

Nevertheless, I will attempt an interpretation of the symbols, only using established knowledge of acoustics and resonance.

It is always difficult to interpret symbols, as they can be arbitrary as to their meaning, though in this case there is reason to think that the depictions were meant to be understood by someone with some knowledge of acoustics and are perhaps more diagrammatic rather than symbolic.

I will start with some obvious observations that are perhaps speculative but appear at least reasonable. The diagram appears to be composed of a group of symbols that starts with what looks like a bowl and finishes with another ?bowl? of the same dimensions.

Taking this as a group we notice that these symbols appear out of character with the rest of the hieroglyphics on the monument. Sort of like a diagram in a body of text.

(http://www.keelytech.com/overunity/hieroglyphics.jpg)

Arranging the symbols in a for us more readable form from left to right we arrive at diagram B.

From my very limited studies of Egyptian Hieroglyphics a very long time ago I seem to remember that symbols are always written facing the same way, regardless of their real orientation in space. Taking the liberty of re-arranging two of the symbols to face in the opposite direction we arrive at diagram C.

Now we make a startling discovery. What we have here is a very clear, unambiguous depiction of a very real working device, an ACOUSTIC MOTOR !

Let me explain:

Taking the two ?bowls? facing each other to represent two parabolic reflectors we have now between them a mysterious symbol (the flower type symbol) an arrow depicting flow or harmony and two tuning forks.

As to the tuning forks, the writer gives clear instructions of how they should be constructed. The left fork has two dividing lines, the right fork three. The symbol between shows the relationship. It clearly shows that the one division on the right is equal to two divisions on the left. In other words the right fork resonates at half the wavelength or twice the frequency, which would put the tuning of the forks exactly one octave apart. (first harmonic)

The arrow indicates to me that they should be tuned to a harmonic of the last symbol in the group.

So what is this last mysterious symbol that ties it all together and makes the thing work. I believe this symbol represents an acoustic turbine. Like this:

(http://www.keelytech.com/koenig23a.jpg)
For a description of the device and what it does see:

http://www.keelytech.com/forum.html

It also goes into the ongoing dispute as to how the turbine works, no proper scientific satisfactory assessment of the principle behind it has been forthcoming. That is why, since the 1930?s the device is no longer demonstrated in physics classes at universities.

We know that knowledge of harmonics is ancient, going back to the Mesopotamian civilisations and to ancient Egypt. That the Egyptians had devices that operated along those principles is not only possible but probable.

So here, for better or worse is my interpretation of what this ancient writer tried to show us.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2007, 10:35:38 AM »
Maybe it is not needed to modify A picture, there is already two parabolic reflectors to collect the energy density into that object in between. There is a third reflector on the other side of the tuning fork, or prehaps it is in fact a deflector to spread the enegy on the other side to larger area. This can be a energy density changer, and causes energy to flow into given direction, or a drag effect for the sample..

Esa

G?day all,

Thanks acer for putting me on the spot. :D And please leave the ?Master of Vibrations? bullshit out of it. At best I am a ?student of vibrations? and perhaps not a very good one at that, considering the enormity of the subject.

Nevertheless, I will attempt an interpretation of the symbols, only using established knowledge of acoustics and resonance.

It is always difficult to interpret symbols, as they can be arbitrary as to their meaning, though in this case there is reason to think that the depictions were meant to be understood by someone with some knowledge of acoustics and are perhaps more diagrammatic rather than symbolic.

I will start with some obvious observations that are perhaps speculative but appear at least reasonable. The diagram appears to be composed of a group of symbols that starts with what looks like a bowl and finishes with another ?bowl? of the same dimensions.

Taking this as a group we notice that these symbols appear out of character with the rest of the hieroglyphics on the monument. Sort of like a diagram in a body of text.

(http://www.keelytech.com/overunity/hieroglyphics.jpg)

Arranging the symbols in a for us more readable form from left to right we arrive at diagram B.

From my very limited studies of Egyptian Hieroglyphics a very long time ago I seem to remember that symbols are always written facing the same way, regardless of their real orientation in space. Taking the liberty of re-arranging two of the symbols to face in the opposite direction we arrive at diagram C.

Now we make a startling discovery. What we have here is a very clear, unambiguous depiction of a very real working device, an ACOUSTIC MOTOR !

Let me explain:

Taking the two ?bowls? facing each other to represent two parabolic reflectors we have now between them a mysterious symbol (the flower type symbol) an arrow depicting flow or harmony and two tuning forks.

As to the tuning forks, the writer gives clear instructions of how they should be constructed. The left fork has two dividing lines, the right fork three. The symbol between shows the relationship. It clearly shows that the one division on the right is equal to two divisions on the left. In other words the right fork resonates at half the wavelength or twice the frequency, which would put the tuning of the forks exactly one octave apart. (first harmonic)

The arrow indicates to me that they should be tuned to a harmonic of the last symbol in the group.

So what is this last mysterious symbol that ties it all together and makes the thing work. I believe this symbol represents an acoustic turbine. Like this:

(http://www.keelytech.com/koenig23a.jpg)
For a description of the device and what it does see:

http://www.keelytech.com/forum.html

It also goes into the ongoing dispute as to how the turbine works, no proper scientific satisfactory assessment of the principle behind it has been forthcoming. That is why, since the 1930?s the device is no longer demonstrated in physics classes at universities.

We know that knowledge of harmonics is ancient, going back to the Mesopotamian civilisations and to ancient Egypt. That the Egyptians had devices that operated along those principles is not only possible but probable.

So here, for better or worse is my interpretation of what this ancient writer tried to show us.

Hans von Lieven


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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2007, 01:31:19 PM »
@hans

Thank you for your more serious and much better 'decoding' of what the symbols represent, my calling you the 'Master of Vibrations' was not BS, rather a mark of respect for your knowledge, while you may not know everything there is to know in the area, I was saying it from the point of view of a complete novice regarding acoustics, applying it relatively, in comparison to me (and many other users of this site, I would vouch) it is true. Your possible explanation of the Egyptian device just reaffirms my reason for using it! Apologies... but credit where it is due...

Though my post above about lasers was mainly in jest, if the Egyptians had lasers at least for measuring it would explain a lot... can you think of any way they could create a laser using basic acoustic/resonant technology, bearing in mind that as most think they probably had technology above what 'conventional' science believes, particularly in light of your 'acoustic motor' interpretation... which seems entirely plausible... I was aware of the motor, it is indeed interesting and I hope someone figures out the basic principle behind it soon, since it now appears an important and possibly central key to Egyptian technology may be involved, as I am not aware of any other functional diagrams left by them...

How interesting that much ancient technology appears to have been based on acoustic/resonance, as I am sure you know there are other examples... and so wise the use of sound, supposedly the very motive force of creation, negating the need for the more complex devices which industrialisation can produce, electronics etc. Imagine the effort required to start up the computer industry if some natural disaster occured which caused it to be utterly destroyed, compared to the effort required to restart a technology based on acoustics and resonance... a very simple survival necessiity and one which I think humanity would do well to bear in mind at this time, what with our propensity and Natures to destroy our civilisation periodically... I am thinking Thoth was trying to encourage us to develop such a technology to assure our future... one that is easily reconstructed...

In a sense, to me at least, resonance can be seen as a key to ou... the energy taken to make a 'master vibration'... can be multiplied as many times as you like by having many receiving objects that resonate to it... distributed energy... very much like an audio version of Teslas power distribution system, a clear resonance between Tesla and Keely on this point...

I have read your pages on Keely, they are great, but could you refer me to a source where I can find more general information on how the shape and material composition of an object affects its resonant frequency? Do you know of any information on the resonant frequencies of the elements of the periodic table or how one might calculate them?

Kind Regards

Acerzw
« Last Edit: October 15, 2007, 02:18:05 PM by acerzw »

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2007, 04:05:54 PM »
Hi
To me it is objektiv now,that both of the Forks are open at the same direktion.
By this reason ,i think,that it symbolise a beaming  tool.Not a tool,that is able to work in both directions.
The shape of the reflektors make me think,that it is not a acoustic wavelenght.This kind of shape should be
just for higher frequency.If we would go to measure the open angel of the dishes,we
can perhaps figure out,the focus mesurements.
Regarding to the two persons is the picture ,i think,the way,that they have positioned
there fingers,looks like they operate someting.

helmut

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Re: Sun-Earth Potential
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2007, 04:23:59 PM »
It is interesting that those "wires" in between tuning forks seems to form an crossing structure. If a electromagnetic wave is created by vibrating those wires, a rotating polarization is formed.

Esa

 

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