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amigo

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #750 on: November 21, 2007, 04:41:06 AM »
I'm sorry if this is going to sound scolding but I'm itching to write it...

The more I read here the more I realize that I should go look elsewhere for ideas and people willing to work on alternative energy. Many of you have exhibited orthodox signs of brainwashing by the establishment and just plain confined thinking inside the box. You keep obsessing about numbers, formulas, measurements, miliwatts and miliamps; while I keep writing how that's totally unimportant as is a distraction from where we are supposed to go, but alas...

A side story, did any one of you majored in math? I knew math well years ago, thankfully I have forgotten most of it, but what had stuck in my head is that you can "massage" anything into a proof (or disproof), depending on your goal. I remember one instance when at the end of a solution you had 1=2, which was a very clever trick we used to pass on in the early grammar school, and yet it was totally valid when looked from a certain point of view.

But let me read between my own lines: no amount of proof you want, expect, demand, require, hope for, etc, will be enough when it comes to subjects outside of orthodox scientific world. Someone will always say "Yes, it lights 100 LEDs, but can it light 200?". That's just how pathetic human beings are, partially because of their own fault, partially because of the parents and the society who have brought everyone up on the premise of scarcity and separation from everything that surrounds us. We constantly have to compete with each other because everything is in shortage. STOP!

For God's sake go read Bucky Fuller and his "ravings" about abundance, then come back with a fresh perspective on the World, and perhaps alternative energy in general.

I'll refer again to my previous post in case you have missed it, just so you know where I'm coming from/leading to. This talk about aluminium plates and RF engineering is just a clever ploy to keep us thinking in circles (a closed loop, hah). If you are unwilling to peek outside the box and if you are constantly going to loop back into what the orthodox science expects you to do, then please leave, but don't obstruct those few people who might think differently.

The search for alternative energy solution has nothing to do with measurements and numbers and everything to do with dreams and imagination. If you do not dare to dream then your place is elsewhere. If you are going to be the lackey to the orthodox scientific community then you are only serving a troll function in any alternative forum, for their (scholars of orthodox science) goal is to maintain the status quo, why else do you think they are called "orthodox".

Need I mention an example of mere 100 years ago when the Wright brothers officially re-discovered flight, probably being the laughing stock of the whole county for claiming a man can fly, prior to their maiden flight. They had a vision they followed through against those who had asked them if they've done their math on the aerodynamics (which did not even exist then, pun intended) disbelieving and downplaying their dream on every step.

I have just realized I'm rambling, it's late and I'm tired, so I'll cut it down else I feel could write volumes. If there's anything of importance that everyone here should read about alternative energy, in my opinion, by far and wide are Tesla's writings (and of those who studied them). He had done all the work for us 100 years ago, granted he did not spell it all out so there's some tinkering to be done on our own, but otherwise it is all there, scattered in his life's work.

Why is it so difficult to accept things from a century ago, treating them as outlandish, while embracing today's BS theories about quantum this and entanglement that as if they are axioms (in truth they are just distractions meant to suck the money out of people and produce no tangible and useful results, and yet people accept them as if they are law written in stone)?

No sky is too high and no dream is too silly, because mind has no boundaries. So set your mind free...please!

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #751 on: November 21, 2007, 04:53:50 AM »
I'm sorry if this is going to sound scolding but I'm itching to write it...

The more I read here the more I realize that I should go look elsewhere for ideas and people willing to work on alternative energy. Many of you have exhibited orthodox signs of brainwashing by the establishment and just plain confined thinking inside the box. You keep obsessing about numbers, formulas, measurements, miliwatts and miliamps; while I keep writing how that's totally unimportant as is a distraction from where we are supposed to go, but alas...

A side story, did any one of you majored in math? I knew math well years ago, thankfully I have forgotten most of it, but what had stuck in my head is that you can "massage" anything into a proof (or disproof), depending on your goal. I remember one instance when at the end of a solution you had 1=2, which was a very clever trick we used to pass on in the early grammar school, and yet it was totally valid when looked from a certain point of view.

But let me read between my own lines: no amount of proof you want, expect, demand, require, hope for, etc, will be enough when it comes to subjects outside of orthodox scientific world. Someone will always say "Yes, it lights 100 LEDs, but can it light 200?". That's just how pathetic human beings are, partially because of their own fault, partially because of the parents and the society who have brought everyone up on the premise of scarcity and separation from everything that surrounds us. We constantly have to compete with each other because everything is in shortage. STOP!

For God's sake go read Bucky Fuller and his "ravings" about abundance, then come back with a fresh perspective on the World, and perhaps alternative energy in general.

I'll refer again to my previous post in case you have missed it, just so you know where I'm coming from/leading to. This talk about aluminium plates and RF engineering is just a clever ploy to keep us thinking in circles (a closed loop, hah). If you are unwilling to peek outside the box and if you are constantly going to loop back into what the orthodox science expects you to do, then please leave, but don't obstruct those few people who might think differently.

The search for alternative energy solution has nothing to do with measurements and numbers and everything to do with dreams and imagination. If you do not dare to dream then your place is elsewhere. If you are going to be the lackey to the orthodox scientific community then you are only serving a troll function in any alternative forum, for their (scholars of orthodox science) goal is to maintain the status quo, why else do you think they are called "orthodox".

Need I mention an example of mere 100 years ago when the Wright brothers officially re-discovered flight, probably being the laughing stock of the whole county for claiming a man can fly, prior to their maiden flight. They had a vision they followed through against those who had asked them if they've done their math on the aerodynamics (which did not even exist then, pun intended) disbelieving and downplaying their dream on every step.

I have just realized I'm rambling, it's late and I'm tired, so I'll cut it down else I feel could write volumes. If there's anything of importance that everyone here should read about alternative energy, in my opinion, by far and wide are Tesla's writings (and of those who studied them). He had done all the work for us 100 years ago, granted he did not spell it all out so there's some tinkering to be done on our own, but otherwise it is all there, scattered in his life's work.

Why is it so difficult to accept things from a century ago, treating them as outlandish, while embracing today's BS theories about quantum this and entanglement that as if they are axioms (in truth they are just distractions meant to suck the money out of people and produce no tangible and useful results, and yet people accept them as if they are law written in stone)?

No sky is too high and no dream is too silly, because mind has no boundaries. So set your mind free...please!

I see .. so you are advocating becoming more ignorant to make more progress ... fascinating !!!

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #752 on: November 21, 2007, 04:55:33 AM »
Thank you Amigo, that just made my day  :]

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #753 on: November 21, 2007, 05:00:28 AM »
since no one will answer my questions above, I will:
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N. Tesla wrote that radio receiver take power from either but not from
radio station transmitter. The consumption power of transmitter is not
increasing when many receivers are in operate. This is the way for creation
of information in space-time that can be used for transformation it in power.
This is from:
Alexander V. Frolov   email: alex@frolov.spb.su
 P. O. Box 37,  St.-Petersburg,  193024,  Russia

I still think RF will NOT produce the power necessary to run the LEDs. RF is only the EFFECT of it. It is somehow allowing the energy to come from some place else. RF will "amplify" the space-time deformation and allow the EFFECT (current and potential) to manifest in the little closed loop circuit of the LEDs so that they will be excited to the point of emitting light.

In my experiment when I connected the Func.Gen to an inverter connected to a battery, it was using so much X power but when the LEDs were lit (because of th correct frequency being set) the power usage went "DOWN" not up. Anyone can reproduce this. Dr. Stiffler is still right in his claim of "amplification".

I think we can create something that will "amplify" this EFFECT of the RF over any coil of "matter" that has intricic connection with ZPE (zero-point-energy or vaccum) such as an inductor. But if you only invest time and brain power.

Fausto.

Anyone to refute this?

Say what??? Space-Time. EEK
I stated earlier every 20 years or so things come back into fashion but this one goes way back.
When I was young about 13 years I was reading about electromagnetic effects. It was a belief at the time the book I was reading that there existed an "Ether" this was matter but not like normal matter it was not made of atoms and such and filled all the empty space between electrons and protons etc. although it was not effected much by matter an electron passing through it caused a wake. This wake was tangible and what was thought to be lines of force you see from a magnet. That made perfect sense to me. So an electron passing in a wire causes an "Ether" wake. And if reversed its flow the wake would travel in the "Ether".
However the "Ether" theory was dropped and I no longer could visualize magnetic fields. So may theories came about to explain it however the "Ether" made more sense to me.
Anyway due to new findings scientist not to admit they were wrong about the "Ether" called it "Dark Matter". It is very similar to the old "Ether" only has weight. So now it is "Dark Matter".
Here is simple fact when his coil peeked the resistance of the coil mathematically should be infinite. But since no coil is perfect your current will drop at resonance. This has nothing to do "Seacetime" the 5th dimension or any thing but resonance.
You need to know more about electronics and less about "Space Time" and over analizing something.
Buy the way was ZPM coined before or after the Sci-FY series "Stargate".

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #754 on: November 21, 2007, 05:44:55 AM »
I'm sorry if this is going to sound scolding but I'm itching to write it...

The more I read here the more I realize that I should go look elsewhere for ideas and people willing to work on alternative energy. Many of you have exhibited orthodox signs of brainwashing by the establishment and just plain confined thinking inside the box. You keep obsessing about numbers, formulas, measurements, miliwatts and miliamps; while I keep writing how that's totally unimportant as is a distraction from where we are supposed to go, but alas...

A side story, did any one of you majored in math? I knew math well years ago, thankfully I have forgotten most of it, but what had stuck in my head is that you can "massage" anything into a proof (or disproof), depending on your goal. I remember one instance when at the end of a solution you had 1=2, which was a very clever trick we used to pass on in the early grammar school, and yet it was totally valid when looked from a certain point of view.


I know you forgot your math. But we are not using complaced algebra here. "Watts in" - "Watts out" . Is "Watts out" positive or negative.
We are not brain washed we are open to advancement. The Wright Brothers had to prove flight and did just claiming it. The devices you are making require Math as the Wright Brother needed air. As your claims can not fly without math no more than Wright Brothers could prove flight with out air.
I am not telling you not to explore just find ways to measure and prove. And quit saying math in this instance is of no value.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #755 on: November 21, 2007, 06:24:59 AM »
Amigo:
I can understand how you would be agitated at people seemingly not thinking outside of the box. I'm a software engineer with a few ideas of my own which have been frequently called "impossible" purely because they are unconventional. And thats not the only area people tell me I can't do something purely because nobody else has ever thought of it.

However, if i'm not mistaken, what we are searching for is a way to produce power seemingly out of thin air. Some people may dispute the wording of that, but to be blunt about it, thats what we want. We want a box we can plug our devices into, and they'll run. Unless I'm mistaken, that is the reason most of us area here. We want one of those boxes.

So, when somebody claims they've built an OU machine, the first thing they want to know is if it could possibly used to build that black box. This is why so many people are asking for numbers - if we have a single number which proves to us beyond all doubt that this device has a COP > 1, then what does at matter what other people think, orthodox or not? We have our black box, and we're happy at that.

While obviously dreams and imagination are a huge part of the search for alternative energy, things still need to be grounded in reality. We'll never find an alternative energy source if we can't think outside the box, as you say. But we'll never find one either if we can't prove that what we have found will provide that energy. There is plenty of imagination amoungst the people in this thread, but now we have something, we need to test it, and see if it provides what we are looking for. If it does (which many people seem to believe), then there'll be plenty of time for more dreams and imagination afterwards, but if it doesn't, theres no point continuing to waste time on it. Tesla obviously had a brilliant imagination, and huge dreams. However, he wasn't averse to numbers. Indeed, without numbers, he never would have stood a chance.

I guess if you can build a device which powers itself, that would be ample proof, and we would stop asking for numbers. But if every time we heard about a claimed OU device we didn't stop working on it until we built a self-powering setup, most of us wouldn't have even got around to looking at this claim. While the numbers won't prove anything about the nature of cold electricity, they can disprove the RF hypothesis, and give us continued reason to look for the principles of operation of this circuit.

In short, we want to disprove their RF hypothesis with their own numbers, so that we can keep dreaming.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #756 on: November 21, 2007, 06:40:13 AM »
and now the word is "resonance". So magical so simple so explainable and yet meaningless.

Can someone please, explain what resonance really is? I hear this as an explanation for the phenomena and the first answer was RF and now is resonance. Please. Explain it like my 1 year old daugther could understand.

It means nothing this word as some are using so it is amps here and amps there. As Bedini said: What is an current?

Because mathematically things makes some sence when impedance and capacitance gets into synch does not explain anything at all. Thats the problem which I agree with amigo. People are just repeating books but no brains, no logic, no real understanding.

So again, how come the LEDs are lighting up with RF and now resonance? How could Dr. Stifller "amplify" this simple stupid thing called "resonance"?

Before was the: light is a wave and now is a particle (which particle sounds more convincing) but waves does not explain anything, does it? What is it?

Until we understand, like amigo said, outside the box, none of you guys will ever get anywhere.

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #757 on: November 21, 2007, 06:50:49 AM »
Resonance is the exchange of energy that happens between two bodies of the same frequency or harmonics of that frequency.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #758 on: November 21, 2007, 07:05:37 AM »
@zaydana
You are correct. Look outside , inside and under the box. The Armstrong oscillator "Thomson circuit" was claimed by Stiffler to be well over overunity buy at least 2 times. This is a very simple circuit and if Stiffler was correct in his clams this simple device should be enough to work with. I have seen Stiffler show or make around 4 different types of oscillator circuits to produce the high voltage and high frequencies for his devices. If this simple one produces 2X+ overunity work on and explore it. If you can not prove OU with it try building something more elaborate. Say one of his 4X OU circuits. I am not saying stop.
My only thing with math is Stiffler clams overunity at the same time saying it can not be measured so how can he claim OU. He must be getting numbers somewhere.Or making assumptions which is not good science.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #759 on: November 21, 2007, 07:40:41 AM »
and now the word is "resonance". So magical so simple so explainable and yet meaningless.

Can someone please, explain what resonance really is? I hear this as an explanation for the phenomena and the first answer was RF and now is resonance. Please. Explain it like my 1 year old daugther could understand.

Fausto.
If you apply a current to a wire or coil a magnetic field will build up then if you break the current an opposite field will build up and collapse and build up then collapse again each time in a diffrent direction with less energy at a rate dependant on inductance. For every action there is a like and oppsitate reaction so say your daughter is an electron on a swing when you give a push it will swing back and fourth. This back and fourth movement is the resonate frequency of the swing.  But at resonance once you push the swing at the precise moment when the swing returns you push again. This will take less energy to keep the swing going than your original push. However if you step forward from your position where you were pushing say directly under the swing. When the swing returns it will most likely knock you down. Then if you stay there and keep tyring to push the swing you use very much energy and your daughter will not have a very good time. You are then out of resonance.
Now RF is like swing back and forth like the swing in polarity. So finding the precise time to push it like the swing will take less energy and enhance it and keep it going with little energy. And any RF not in unison is like you in the middle of the swing.
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #760 on: November 21, 2007, 07:50:57 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #761 on: November 21, 2007, 08:14:18 AM »
They seek him high, they seek him low, where in the world did Dr Stiffler go ?

rustle rustle . .. scurry scurry ... nope .. no Stifflers here ... hmmmm

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #762 on: November 21, 2007, 08:34:10 AM »
They seek him high, they seek him low, where in the world did Dr Stiffler go ?

rustle rustle . .. scurry scurry ... nope .. no Stifflers here ... hmmmm

Rimes better if you leave the "Dr." out.
 Almost resonate.
I'm getting bad I have stop that.

AhuraMazda

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #763 on: November 21, 2007, 09:16:36 AM »
On a lighter side, I think that Dr Stiffler and DrZLowe7 are one and the same people but in a Dr Jakill and Mr Hyde sort of scenario.

How else would you explain such an odd choice of core for this experiment?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #764 on: November 21, 2007, 09:24:51 AM »
AhuraMazda:
I'm sure Stefan would of picked up on similar IPs, etc. if that was the case.