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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1481089 times)

canam101

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #720 on: November 20, 2007, 08:05:36 PM »
I have to say I am disappointed. I had high hopes for Stiffler's circuit because it was vouched for by a clever chap on another list.

But as far as I can see, this is just a way to use RF to light up diodes. Nobody has come up with the slightest evidence that there is more output from the circuit than there is input.

Stiffler would be the best one to do that, but all he does is tell people to toe the line or they will be 'out of the loop'. He claims 6 other people have replicated the circuit and have OU.  No evidence. Nothing from any of the 6, nothing from Stiffler.

Very disappointing.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #721 on: November 20, 2007, 08:38:05 PM »
Also a function generator produces ac unless it has a DC offset so that it hits only + but a coil still has ac when it's hit with dc (electron interaction in substrate and magnetic field theory).

If you take 1 wire and plug it into a wall socket on one side of the plug and you are touching the earth you get shocked (DON?T TRY THIS). 

Look at some power poles and you will see a ground rod attached to one of the lines.  1 wire power transmission is not uncommon. Tesla showed this, his work is used in many HV appliances. Today we are bombarded by mans RF and other radiating sources. Hence standing under High Tension Power lines with 2 florescent bulbs in ones hands. The secret to finding any new source or undetected source of energy is to insure you remove all what we have now back to before the 1900?s.

Once it is proven that you have removed all the dirt can you then get true clean measurements. If you used a satellite dish to listen to mars RF waves you would have to remove all other frequencies that are know and try to determine if what you hear is mars. A good understanding of the atom, electron and proton along with the complex relation between semi conductors, conductors and electron activity in said conductors is a start. Proving it by focusing on that theory and testing, one gains the understanding of much. If knowledge could be downloaded to ones brain without the daunting task of research, reading and experimentation we then would truly be on a higher plain of knowledge for all. There is always disappointment before success.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #722 on: November 20, 2007, 08:48:30 PM »
@EMdevices,

thank you for the reply. Can you send me a title for a good book on "RF" as you mention? I want to understand how RF can light up LEDs.

So, if RF can do this my question still stands (sorry for my ignorance), how this LEDs light up?, where is the energy coming from? And how is this different from the "Thomas oscilator"?

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #723 on: November 20, 2007, 11:14:55 PM »
*removed* EM
« Last Edit: April 04, 2008, 04:18:04 AM by EMdevices »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #724 on: November 20, 2007, 11:39:17 PM »
@EMdevices,
thank you my friend. I just purchased the one you mention. I will read and learn. Thank you for the explanation too. It seams so simples as you explained.

Does it means that the FG is "feeding" the LEDs with energy coming from itself? or it is a property of frequencies and coils? Sorry for my ignorance on the subject. It is that it seams logical for me that either the FG is giving some of its energy to the LEDs or it is coming from some place else.

Is it possible to measure this energy coming from the FG into the LEDs so that one can account for how much can I extract from it? It is very confusing to see a circut without closing the loop causing some energy to be used up without really coming from somewhere, unless one lead from the FG can give energy to the LEDs as in the video without closing the loop and therefore no current. But that's where I get confused how that is possible. (I have lots to read and learn).

If RF in classical Electrical Engineering can explain this phenomena I will be satisfied and I will not ask again.  Please, someone that understand this phenomena please just state here if this is the case.

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #725 on: November 21, 2007, 12:28:18 AM »
Hi Fausto,
the explanation is pretty simple.
You have a capacitor on your breadboard as you have this pF supply voltage
line, where you sticked your LEDs into.
These 2 connection rows have maybe 50 pF capacitance.
Now the cables from your RF generator to this one wire connection just
have inductance, let?s say 50 nH,so you see you are charging up the
50 pF cap via this wire to a positive voltage with every positive sine wave of your
RF output. Then when the treshold voltage of around 1.7 to 2.5  Volts is reached
the 50 pF cap is discharged via the LEDs.
The ground wire of the RF generator is coupled also via a stray cap to the ground
lineof your breadboard ( cathode of LEDs), so at these frequencies all currents
flow via stray capacitances and also the LC resonance frequency of the wire inductance and
stray capacitances play an important role...
This way you can get a higher voltage at the cap as the RF output and this will
energize the LEDs and discharge the 50 pF cap...
Pretty easy to explain, but hard to control as every cm of wire counts and the placement
of wires and stray capacitances will vary the resonance frequency.

This is why I said, that it willbe hard to design a PCB board without the alu backplate
to have the same high output.

I just got myself 2 aluplates and I will try this now toput beneath my breadboard.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #726 on: November 21, 2007, 12:52:28 AM »
Hmm,
did Dr. Stiffler delete his 2 domains ?

Now all what is coming up is:
mydiscountdomains.com

if I call
www.stifflerscientific.com
or
www.drstiffler.com


So what is going on ?


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #727 on: November 21, 2007, 12:55:35 AM »
@hartbiberlin,

thanks Stefan, so far your explanation seams plausible but one questions is still bogging me (I am not debating anything jsut trying to understand), you explained all the caps and inductance and all that but it seams that you are understanding my design as if the two wires from my RF Gen are connected to the LEDS but they are not.

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The ground wire of the RF generator is coupled also via a stray cap to the ground
lineof your breadboard (

The ground wire of the RF generator is NOT connected to anything. Do you see that in my video? THAT's where I am confused. Where is the current of the discharge and charge is going? from where and to where?

I am asking all this questions because I see people saying "RF" explain all that but unfortunately I dont see the same way. IS RF capable of generating a voltage and current in a open circuit like the one I show on the video? if it is for good just let me know, please.


Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #728 on: November 21, 2007, 01:07:33 AM »
Oh dear some of you have really pi$$ed him off now as he has deleted his domains AND deleted the youtube vids!  Either he has discovered something amazing that he wants to keep to himself

OR

MIB have told him to bugger off.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #729 on: November 21, 2007, 01:22:22 AM »

The ground wire of the RF generator is NOT connected to anything. Do you see that in my video? THAT's where I am confused. Where is the current of the discharge and charge is going? from where and to where?

Well, it goes via the case of your function generator and the air to your breadboard.

Probably only in the 1 to 10 pF range, but there is definately a capacitance there.
Also if you touch the ground cathode line of your diodes you increase
this stray cap with your body to a much higher value versus the case of your
function generator = ground of the function generator.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #730 on: November 21, 2007, 01:29:19 AM »
Oh dear some of you have really pi$$ed him off now as he has deleted his domains AND deleted the youtube vids!  Either he has discovered something amazing that he wants to keep to himself

OR

MIB have told him to bugger off.

Hmm, if he really did it himself, then I don?t understand this...
Why is he so angered by it ?
We are just doing scientific research into this thing
and if it would turn out, that we could not get more out of it,
than putting in, well then we will move to the next
better circuit...
Well, he also had other very promosing technologies on his
website, so I don?t understand this...

Maybe he was bought off by somebody ?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #731 on: November 21, 2007, 01:29:20 AM »
The domains are not deleted - they do not expire until 2011. Unless he sells them to someone else they still belong to him. It appears he has deleted his websites and all the traffic is now sent to his registrar's page...

I hope the rest of you have mirrored the data and the videos in time. :P

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #732 on: November 21, 2007, 01:37:39 AM »
I hope the rest of you have mirrored the data and the videos in time. :P

I saved some images and text, to pass on to a friend, but not all of it.  I'm sure Hartiberlin saved it.  That dudes got a short temper.. :-\

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #733 on: November 21, 2007, 01:56:08 AM »
Ta-da!

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #734 on: November 21, 2007, 02:03:49 AM »
I was just on his site this morning. I was just beginning to write a two page reply on this but thought I had better shut up.
But one thing I can not under stand why he was so interested in having others duplicate his work. Since he was directing every move to make and criticized any questions or comments. Why did he not just not make 50 or so himself. Then try to convince to scientific comunity not a hand full of experimenters.

Well I can go on and on and use up all my 12000 KB posting space.
Maybe as mentioned in earlier posts he was planing on selling evaluation units$$$$$$$$$$$$
Since he was trying his hardest to confuse and make all but the most experienced experimenter succeed.

He will show up some where most likely with a unit to sell or something. Or at least he will start a new and better site and will announce it maybe even charge to access it.

His site was OK but what bothered me was the first thing you saw on his page was an ear bug and mold. If your site is concentrating on electronics at least have a schematic or a transistor or lightning bolts or something where the ear bug was. Got to go I hear a buzzing in my ear.

By the way I will tell you how you can run a car on water with my secret ingredient absolutely "FREE" for $25.00 shipping. Order within 5 weeks and will included two copies at no extra charge.