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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1470624 times)

dean_mcgowan

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #645 on: November 18, 2007, 12:01:27 AM »
Jester ???

6 replications and 0 publications ... yes I agree the Jester will be apparent soon  ::)

The thick plottens :P

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #646 on: November 18, 2007, 12:13:40 AM »
Jester ???

6 replications and 0 publications ... yes I agree the Jester will be apparent soon  ::)

The thick plottens :P

Gee! does not your post explain why there are no publications. What is the old saying, "you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink'.

We have all learned our lesson from your type of distraction. So many people suffer because of your inference. Do you by chance work for OPEC?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #647 on: November 18, 2007, 12:20:42 AM »


Associates (6) in all around the world have duplicated the OU condition to the extent that there is little doubt that it is real.

Do it right and join the team, do it your way or be a 'Lip' server and so be it, your out of the loop.

I don't get it: why should anyone have to join a 'team' to be allowed to understand how to build a device that is so earth-shaking? When Roentgen discovered x-rays, he didn't require that anybody join a team; he published the exact way to make an x-ray machine, and laboratories all over the world were soon making them.

If 6 people have made OU devices, let's have the exact circuit so that people all over the world can do it, instead of what we see here, of people spending time and effort guessing at what is needed.

And let's have real evidence of OU; my understanding is that RF power input is difficult to measure. How do you or the 6 others know that the devices they have made are OU?

This whole thing sounds so phony that it is impossible for me to believe it is anything other than a delusion.

hartiberlin

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #648 on: November 18, 2007, 12:22:46 AM »
Current status of SEC, 'Spatial Energy Coherence'. It now appears that I have been partially in error, in that the coils 'Do Not' determine the OU effect, yet they can enhance it.


Hi Ron,
is this a typo and you wanted to say:
"that the cores..."

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #649 on: November 18, 2007, 12:30:26 AM »
 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) .. sorry weren't my smiley's loud enough for you  ... OPEC ..... hehehehehe ...

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #650 on: November 18, 2007, 01:00:43 AM »
Hi Stefan,
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is this a typo and you wanted to say:
"that the cores..."
It is correct to say "in that the coils", this makes perfect sense to me.

Perhaps another way of writing this sentence would be:
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"It now appears that I have been partially in error, the coils themselves do not create the OU effect but they can enhance it."

I have been winding some air cores this evening for people without LCR meters to be able to wind their own.
2.2uH can be achieved by winding 12 turns onto a 15mm former using 0.56mm enamel copper wire.
I used a highlighter pen as the former, wound the turns then locked them in place using PVC insulation tape.
Then I was able to slide the coil off the former.
I need to order some lintz wire to see if I can get a better Q, currently its only 0.19 at 1KHz.
Although I have a lintz air core wound on waxed paper former that measures 2uH and its Q at 1KHz is very low, like 0.002.
I also had a core with 11 turns  wound on a 15mm former and the Q was slightly lower at 0.15 but this has more tape on it.
I am wondering if I glue it with epoxy to make it rigid if the Q would be better.
Maybe smaller diameter coil, thinner wire, or even a torroidal air core.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m25/kingrs/22uHcoil.jpg)

Regards
Rob
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 01:26:25 AM by MeggerMan »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #651 on: November 18, 2007, 01:26:41 AM »
Okay, my new video is now online:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRw_sCzhFnk


I just checked again the input power:

12 Volt and 3 mA when I disconnect the coil ,Avramenko plug and LEDs from the output.

12 Volt and 7 mA when I have the LEDs running

So 84 mWatts with LEDs - 36 mWatts without LEDs= 48 mWatts power for the running LEDs,
so do I have more brightness then 48 mWatts ?
Have to check this out with more LEDs.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #652 on: November 18, 2007, 03:56:27 AM »

So 84 mWatts with LEDs - 36 mWatts without LEDs= 48 mWatts power for the running LEDs,
so do I have more brightness then 48 mWatts ?
Have to check this out with more LEDs.

Stefan, if you supply 12 Volts DC into a LED via a 1 k-ohm resistor it will consume roughly 12 milli-Amps of current. Therefore its power usage will be 12 V x .012A = 144 MilliWatts. This one "standard candle" already uses slightly more power than your total circuit consumption.

Why not use this "standard candle" to compare the luminescence of each LED to it for a reference point. You could set up a little ohm-meter connnected to a LDR which is set inside a small black plastic tube which could then be placed over each LED for measuring the "relative" light output. It would be more accurate than the human eye in detecting real Lumin levels and trying to determine relative brightness.

I noticed when looking at your video, that you had about 8 or 9 LEDS glowing very brightly!   :o
If each one was glowing at least as brightly as a "standard candle", then your Lumin output would be well over the expected output for the megre 84 milliwatts total consumption that you're circuit is using. Even if each LED was only half as bright as a "standard candle", the total number of LEDS may still be exhibiting a greater total brightness than 84 milli-watts might normally produce from standard DC.

Measuring input may be easy but measuring output seems to be the hard thing!

Some sort of reliable standardised output comparison method needs to be implemented to give an empirical framework for your
results.

Great research, great video. Great stuff Stefan!

Cheers from the Toad who Hops  :)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #653 on: November 18, 2007, 04:17:26 AM »
Tests on LED apparent brightness:
The human eye detects peak light levels. There are cells in the eye that trigger when light above a specific level hits them. These cells send a message to the brain saying that there is a light in a certain location. It takes time for these cells to reset. If after some time has past and they have reset and they are again triggered and send another signal to the brain, the brain assumes that the light was on continuously the full time between signals. When pulses are used to power a filament light bulb, it takes time for the bulb to turn on and the bulb will look dim if only short pulses are used. But LEDs turn on very quickly and so will reach full brightness even with very short pulses. I used the following circuit to determine how little average power was needed to make an LED appear to be at full brightness when it is being pulsed. This circuit develops several hundred volts at the collector and produces very short pulses with high current. Thus the LED is turned on very brightly for only a small part of each cycle (about 1%). It is very difficult to measure current pulses accurately. This circuit accomplishes this by measuring the current through the resistors after the capacitor at the LED output has fully charged. At this time no net current is going into the capacitor and it has a relatively steady voltage across it making it possible to make an accurate measurement of the voltage across one of the resistors (from which the current can be calculated). The LED used for this test was a super bright green LED rated at 15,000 mcd at 3.6 volts and 50 ma. which would be 180 mw power consumption for full brightness. But as the test shows, the same apparent brightness was obtained using pulses with only 0.43 ma average power which is only 1.5 mw. Therefore the LED was actually consuming about 1% of the power requited for the equivalent brightness using continuous current instead of pulses.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #654 on: November 18, 2007, 04:39:13 AM »
Tests on LED apparent brightness:
The human eye detects peak light levels. There are cells in the eye that trigger when light above a specific level hits them. These cells send a message to the brain saying that there is a light in a certain location. It takes time for these cells to reset. If after some time has past and they have reset and they are again triggered and send another signal to the brain, the brain assumes that the light was on continuously the full time between signals. When pulses are used to power a filament light bulb, it takes time for the bulb to turn on and the bulb will look dim if only short pulses are used. But LEDs turn on very quickly and so will reach full brightness even with very short pulses. I used the following circuit to determine how little average power was needed to make an LED appear to be at full brightness when it is being pulsed. This circuit develops several hundred volts at the collector and produces very short pulses with high current. Thus the LED is turned on very brightly for only a small part of each cycle (about 1%). It is very difficult to measure current pulses accurately. This circuit accomplishes this by measuring the current through the resistors after the capacitor at the LED output has fully charged. At this time no net current is going into the capacitor and it has a relatively steady voltage across it making it possible to make an accurate measurement of the voltage across one of the resistors (from which the current can be calculated). The LED used for this test was a super bright green LED rated at 15,000 mcd at 3.6 volts and 50 ma. which would be 180 mw power consumption for full brightness. But as the test shows, the same apparent brightness was obtained using pulses with only 0.43 ma average power which is only 1.5 mw. Therefore the LED was actually consuming about 1% of the power requited for the equivalent brightness using continuous current instead of pulses.

Fantastic observation XEE.
It is my contention in these sorts of experiments, that "apparent" outputs can be just as useful as "real" outputs.
When designing lighting for example, the information you just furnished can result in great savings.

If the human eye only needs a very bright light for a very brief time, to "perceive" that it's a very bright light all of the time, then O/U is not necessary to make major breakthroughs in energy saving lighting methods. If the human eye perceives that the light is bright, then the light has done it's job!.... KneeDeep.....

Thanks for publishing the circuit and chiming in with your info. Well timed!

Cheers from the Toad who Hops  :)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #655 on: November 18, 2007, 05:19:23 AM »
The human eye detects peak light levels. There are cells in the eye that trigger when light above a specific level hits them. These cells send a message to the brain saying that there is a light in a certain location. It takes time for these cells to reset. If after some time has past and they have reset and they are again triggered and send another signal to the brain, the brain assumes that the light was on continuously the full time between signals.

I do not believe this is true for the MHz frequencies being used by people in this thread.  It is certainly not true for the video cameras being used to capture the videos that we see posted on youtube (unless you synchronize the LED to the video frames), so we observers can at least be certain that we are not seeing any odd duty cycle effects.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy
« Last Edit: November 18, 2007, 05:49:24 AM by Mr.Entropy »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #656 on: November 18, 2007, 05:49:45 AM »
@ hoptoad,
The point was that LEDs sometimes look like they are consuming more power than they actually are. Therefore your suggestions might not always work.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #657 on: November 18, 2007, 06:01:31 AM »
@ hoptoad,
The point was that LEDs sometimes look like they are consuming more power than they actually are. Therefore your suggestions might not always work.

"Therefore your suggestions might not always work."

That wouldn't be the first time, nor the last I suspect!  LOL   :D  LOL  :D  KneeDeep

Cheers XEE

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« Reply #658 on: November 18, 2007, 06:02:24 AM »
@ Mr.Entropy.
You could be correct. I do not wish to start argument. But video camera CCD responseds very similar to human eye. It records peak level of light on pixel during each frame (about 1/30 second), the CCD does not record how often that level was reached during the frame.

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« Reply #659 on: November 18, 2007, 07:40:21 AM »
@Mr.Entropy,
Sorry, I do not know much about CCDs so I should not have said anything about them. I only wanted to point out that sometimes it is hard to tell how much power an LED is using just by looking at it.