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AhuraMazda

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #525 on: November 05, 2007, 09:10:21 AM »
@Ron,
Is L1 (2.2u)  air core?

Regards, AM

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #526 on: November 05, 2007, 09:53:07 AM »
If someone want understand, I share my equations investigation:
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07d.html

Every coil has self-transforming properties. Frequency generator on one end will give high voltage on the other. This is main principle for Tesla's 3-th coil voltage amplifier (magnify coil). It don't need closed loop circuit.

Important is knowledge about splitting frequency in two (one of them can become very high, if k is near 1):
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07g.html

Dr. Steffler has build interesting things. Maybe he has k near 1 (because of core), and strange effect, when f2=f/sqrt(1-k) go to infinite.
Maybe in nature 'infinite' mean something  new.

I have some strange effect with my work:
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/02f.html

Generator for excitement can be HF bulb, with Al-foil around bulb (without touch, only around).

I think that this device will became better if put another 2 diodes and capacity with plate in the air. Air has free electrons and ions, and cosmic rays are charge them with energy.
Ground is good, but it need plate in air too, for collecting that air energy (LED diodes has some low surface, and some capacity too).

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #527 on: November 05, 2007, 10:10:01 AM »
@Ron,
Is L1 (2.2u)  air core?

Regards, AM

Looks like it in the pictures. 

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #528 on: November 05, 2007, 10:13:46 AM »
If someone want understand, I share my equations investigation:
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07d.html

Every coil has self-transforming properties. Frequency generator on one end will give high voltage on the other. This is main principle for Tesla's 3-th coil voltage amplifier (magnify coil). It don't need closed loop circuit.

Important is knowledge about splitting frequency in two (one of them can become very high, if k is near 1):
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07g.html

Dr. Steffler has build interesting things. Maybe he has k near 1 (because of core), and strange effect, when f2=f/sqrt(1-k) go to infinite.
Maybe in nature 'infinite' mean something  new.

I have some strange effect with my work:
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/02f.html

Generator for excitement can be HF bulb, with Al-foil around bulb (without touch, only around).

I think that this device will became better if put another 2 diodes and capacity with plate in the air. Air has free electrons and ions, and cosmic rays are charge them with energy.
Ground is good, but it need plate in air too, for collecting that air energy (LED diodes has some low surface, and some capacity too).

Dr. Stifflers most challanging circuit is the double push pull working ONLY from the ground.  By your math, it appears you have really looked into the Tesla devices!  Most excellent and glad to see your post.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #529 on: November 05, 2007, 11:29:21 AM »
k4zep,

Yes, I am most interesting in 2 core + ground part of Dr. Stiffler work, too.
If it can work, just put capacity with 2 diodes more, and discharge this capacity in some interval, it will be good for collecting that energy. It will become new source of energy for charging battery (hybrid car...). 4 diodes and capacity can collect energy, and with interval of discharging can control output voltage (I easy come to 40 V with standard HF bulb, and foil around, with 1 m2 plate). I am interesting in making light, but I am more interesting in making energy.
Nikola Tesla has mechanical rectifier (and no barriers problem for collecting energy) , and this is his approach.
Put all this stuff together ( if they work ) we will have usable energy source.

Tesla was found some new energy source too:

"I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. Cosmic ray investigation is a subject that is very close to me. I was the first to discover these rays and I naturally feel toward them as I would toward my own flesh and blood. I have advanced a theory of the cosmic rays and at every step of my investigations I have found it completely justified. The attractive features of the cosmic rays is their constancy. They shower down on us throughout the whole 24 hours, and if a plant is developed to use their power it will not require devices for storing energy as would be necessary with devices using wind, tide or sunlight. All of my investigations seem to point to the conclusion that they are small particles, each carrying so small a charge that we are justified in calling them neutrons. They move with great velocity, exceeding that of light. More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them. I will tell you in the most general way, the cosmic ray ionizes the air, setting free many charges ions and electrons. These charges are captured in a condenser which is made to discharge through the circuit of the motor. I have hopes of building my motor on a large scale, but circumstances have not been favorable to carrying out my plan." ( Brooklyn Eagle July 10, 1932. )

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #530 on: November 05, 2007, 01:30:52 PM »
In Dr Stifflers circuit above the Emitter seems to be shorted to the Base divider network. 
It looks like a Colpits oscillator so I guess it shoud be open at this point?
Smoky


Yes, you are right. There should not be wire connection between emitter and base in that schematics, it is obviously a misprint.

There is another version of  the Colpitts oscillator where the capacitive divider (C1 and C2) is placed between the base (or gate in case of FET) and the common ground and in that case the connection from the emitter (or source in case of a FET) to the middle point of the capacitive divider is justified,  see like here:
http://n-old.ethz.ch/student/rodonil/da/bericht/node28.html

rgds,  Gyula
« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 12:26:21 AM by gyulasun »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #531 on: November 06, 2007, 05:40:55 AM »
I am getting now also about 20 Volts p-p behind L1. But then the AP LED is brightest, when I dont use L2 and  L3 at all. Just from the oscillator via  470 pF and 2.2 uH to the AP.
Then from one Pin of the LED to a iron metal plate gives me the brighest LED so far. More in about 10 hours.
Now to sleep.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #532 on: November 06, 2007, 03:14:09 PM »
Okay,
I made some new test today.

I just don?t have the right cores.

I asked Dr. Stiffler, if he would sell me a "working" coil-core
combination, but as he has got only 5 working core-coil combinations,
he declined saying that he still needs them for verification
with other parties involved.
I can fully understand this.
I will now try to buy some core-coils via Ebay.

I am now at around 27 Mhz working frequency
and the higher you go it seems to be getting better with the
Avramenko plug with my 2 x 1N4148 diodes.
At least for me 27 Mhz was better than around 10 Mhz.
The LEDs are just brighter.

Okay, I tried various setups but always the combination of capacitor
and 2.2 uH coil at the output before going into the AP was the best setup.
All the ferrite cores I had and also some ferrite magnets did not give better
brightness.
I now chained 10 blue LED diodes in series in the AP.
One pin of the AP is connected to power supply PLUS voltage
and then the circuit draws around 25 mA at 12 Volts, that gives about 300 milliWatts draw
from my powersupply.

When I remove the AP from the circuit , the circuit draws 17 mA, which is about 200 milliWatts.

I can light up these 10 LEDs pretty bright with the difference power of 100 milliWatts,
but if this is overunity, I can not really say yet...

Have a look at it yourself. Here are 3 picture, 2 with the AP running the 10 LEDs
and once the AP disconnected...

As this circuit is so high frequency, all cables length already matter.
When I connect the 2.2 uH coil directly on the breadboard without these green
cables, the AP does not light at all !
So it really depens on some cables between it and probably on electromagnetic radiation
and standing waves...

I just don?t have the right equipment to measure these RF currents correctly, so
all measurements at this level must be taken not too seriously...

Also the breadboard itsself with all the capacitances between the rows and contacts
surely change the circuit into very much capacitively coupled things...
So as long as Dr. Stiffler still uses his breadboard with his aluplate in the
background there is this huge aluplate capacitance, that really matters at these
frequencies !

These RF circuits are no joy for audio frequency engineers !
 ::)

Well, I will stop now with this circuit, as long as I don?t have a core-coil
combination that seems to give me any gain...
I did not see any gain in my core-coil combinations so far.

Also the lighting of the neon bulb with one of my aircore coils in my earlier tests
had not had any big output, this was probably only from the right frequency
to excite the neon gas inside the bulb and was probably just a few milliWatts
of power there. Also it did not hurt me, when touching it...
So all in all, this Avramenko Plug technology is interesting but I could
not yet get any power amplification from it, as I don?t have the right cores...

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #533 on: November 06, 2007, 03:24:24 PM »
P.S: The first 2 pics had the same LED brightness, butI held the
camera in a different angle, so in the second picture the LEDs
just seem brighter, as they were more in direct line with the camera.

The meter you see is set on the 50 mA DC scale and was hooked into
the positive supply line ofthe 12 Volts power supply with a cap across the leads,
so it did register just the DC amps.

In the 2 upper pics you can see the current of about 25 mA
in the last pic, when I removed the cap( so the AP was connected anymore)
the oscillator circuit just drawed about 17 mA.
Then the oscillator was just idle running at around 27 Mhz with no output
connected.

If you have some questions just ask.

What I also saw is, that the input power did rise more,if I did
connect one pin of the AP to the external iron plate instead
of the positive pole ofthe power supply,so
it seems in this case the RF power is just better transmitted away and
so the circuit draws more input power.
So connecting one pin of the LED chain to +12 Volt or the ground of the
circuit just worked best as this draws only 25 mA, in the other case
it drew about 40 mA !
Just running the AP without the connection to 12 Volts or ground did not work
in my case.. only, when I had the AP off board, so all the cables were between it..

You see, these RF frequencies are nasty to work with...so many dependences
from capacitance and cable inductancs...

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #534 on: November 06, 2007, 04:50:26 PM »
Well,
I ordered now 10 pieces of 680 uH ferrite antenna:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150089628196

and
10 pieces of 470 uH antenna ferrite sticks:

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=150178895066


Hopefully I will soon get it via airmail and then I will
continue with this project.

Until then I will try other circuits.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #535 on: November 06, 2007, 08:22:58 PM »
Everyone is so interested in getting to the end with just the two coils and ground so I have included a picture for thos that have the single coil circuit working. This would be the next step towards the dual coil system.

You need to perfectly match to single coil systems so that their response peaks match. When done you can drive one from your generator hot and one from ground as shown in the photo. The SEC zone extends some 3 meters. There is not much to explain here if you have the basic one coil working, make another and adjust one or the other to where they have the same energy peaks, then drive one from earth ground.

This is not simple induction between the coils, remember three meters away connected only to ground!

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #536 on: November 06, 2007, 10:05:56 PM »
R Stiffler

have you noticed the extropy in the system? and its mirror oposite entropy? you are leading people down an interesting path I think will be most interesting when people realize it.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #537 on: November 06, 2007, 10:06:07 PM »
Dear Ron,
looks nice,
but please try to build up your circuit
not anymore onto your experimentation breadboard.

These capacitances at these frequencies just have a major impact
and also the backplate aluplate...

What frequency did you use in this last test ?

Here are some more measurements from my latest setup:

oscillator Frequency : around 27 Mhz
Input Voltage : 12.5 Volts DC
Input DC current : 25 milliAmps

Input power: 312.5 milliWatts

DC Voltage at 10 LED stack: 31 Volts
DC current through 10 LED stack: 2 milliAmps

output power at the LEDs: 62 milliWatts

Without LED-AP load just feeding the oscillator at 27 Mhz:
Input Voltage : 12.7 Volts DC
Input DC current : 17 milliAmps

Input power: 215.9 milliWatts
So you see, although the brightness of the LED seems pretty bright,
they just only need around 62 milliWatts of power.

So you see, when we connect the LED load via the Avramenko plug
we raise the input power by 96.6 milliWatts
and get only 62 milliWatts of light power out there.
The rest is probably radiated away.
So I am still underunity with my circuit, although the LEDs
look pretty bright for this small 62 milliWatts of power...

So I just paid the cores to the Ebay seller and will now wait to
receive them.
Now back to some other circuits.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #538 on: November 08, 2007, 09:10:20 AM »
R Stiffler

have you noticed the extropy in the system? and its mirror oposite entropy? you are leading people down an interesting path I think will be most interesting when people realize it.

Only time will tell .. cant wait for the grand finale video myself :D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #539 on: November 08, 2007, 01:58:52 PM »
I would like to see if this work or not...
If work in "generator in input" form, I know why.
If work in "2 core, without generator input" form, I would like to know source from ground.
In Tesla's patent ( 787 412 ), where he talk about 'standing waves', he was mention thunders storm waves (25-70 km from max to min point of wave).
Tesla's energy transmitter and receiver is easy for understanding (to me).

If this Stiffler's device work or not, I know that in ground we have energy in some form.
In Tesla's receiver we need two plates in the ground on some distance, and "no barrier" rectifier.
In 25 - 70 km wave form, we have lot of thunders waves energy (with lot of frequency form). Tesla was measure that form of energy.

White diodes is easy to light-on. 3 AAA type battery could work with 3 diodes around 100 hours (you can by it everywhere) .
It is easy to light-on 50 diodes, with 1.5 V converter and with 1 AAA battery, and have full light around 2 hours.

We will see...