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amigo

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #435 on: November 02, 2007, 02:22:29 AM »
@Dr. Stiffler

What I also noticed is this: when I use my driver, if I touch my BaFe core on the edge of the primary side most of the time extinguishes the light from the LEDs. If I use your driver from PL01 circuit then I get the opposite, the LEDs shine so bright they burn my eyes.

Also, since this is driven by a 9V battery if I touch the casing of the battery using your PL01 circuit, the LEDs light up again so bright. Am I grounding the whole circuit by touching the battery casing or the BaFe core?

Thanks.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #436 on: November 02, 2007, 02:37:05 AM »
Sorry to go off topic, but has anybody made a backup or mirrored this thread? The last thing we'd want is for some unfortunate "accident" to make it all disappear...

I'm planning on trying a replication myself in a few weeks when I finish uni exams, and I'm just kinda worried that when I get around to it the thread will be inaccessible.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #437 on: November 02, 2007, 02:37:36 AM »
@Dr. Stiffler

What I also noticed is this: when I use my driver, if I touch my BaFe core on the edge of the primary side most of the time extinguishes the light from the LEDs. If I use your driver from PL01 circuit then I get the opposite, the LEDs shine so bright they burn my eyes.

Also, since this is driven by a 9V battery if I touch the casing of the battery using your PL01 circuit, the LEDs light up again so bright. Am I grounding the whole circuit by touching the battery casing or the BaFe core?

Thanks.

I (think) you are not properly driving it, which could be an impedance match, the coil in the drain of the 2N7000 could be wrong, or you are at the wrong frequency for the coil. What is taking place is the coil is trying to suck in energy, but it is not being supplied by the driver. You are (body) adding a large capacitor interface to the environment and supplying what the coil requires. It may not make much sense yet, trust me, the coil wants energy (that is if it is running at all). Think Source and Sink, the coil is a Sink.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #438 on: November 02, 2007, 03:01:04 AM »
Thanks Dr. Stiffler,

All I am try to do is verify the operation, Milliwatts, Watts or more, theory and understanding is what I am doing now.  I will say if you are not exactly on the primary resonance frequency, probably NOT OU......it is possible to drive on 2nd and 3rd harmonics or by direct coupling but then nada or no joy.

Got out my #2 (better scope that has good probes and calibration), might get out the big boat anchor later that is a very good scope but it is in another storage closet and a pain to get out unless I really need it. 

Verified numbers again, OU for lack of a better word ratio is very close to my old "don't care if I fry it scope"said......I see the voltage @ resonance rise in the series L/C circuit feeding the BF coil from my 21 volts to about 40 volts @ input. I see the increase in voltage drop across the input resistor as the resonance comes in with voltage rise and current pulls voltage down across resistor......It really is so straightforward that I am amazed.  ANY grounding of the other ends of the coils or core or ground plane and/to each other or ground and voltage is still there but NO current and LED's don't light!  Funky. My core is so poor, I can't drive a NE-2 but been there before, done that so no problem.  With a square wave, I see the integration and back reflection of the power pulse from the BF core into the system which is at max at resonant input frequency.  It simply works as you say it does.  I'm just lucky my "magnet core transformer" works at all.  Have good coils coming. I like the analogy of the core being a SINK!  We won't get into the source theory yet ................Each time I play with the circuit, I see it a bit more clearly.......

 I look forward to the Lamp driver circuit as I remember you saying a 1k across that cap across the AV plug circuit was too hot to touch, now that is power! .5 watt +++  Then a HIGH POWER CIRCUIT you say??????????????????that will be fun!

First time in my life I actually see an OU effect that I can repeat and verify!  Gotta sleep on it, I must be dreaming.

Later and grinning,
Ben


You have no idea how much I appreciate your work. Great professional job.
When you feel comfortable with what you have done and your understanding which is very, very close to being right on, then you need a decent coil, because the next phase is to move from milli-watts to watts. Just imagine how it will feel to see your calculations showing watts 'OU' ?  But, are not the milli-watts a thrill?

The next phase is driving the incandescent. Then the cream on the cake.... Boy am I happy for you and my selfish self[/quote]

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #439 on: November 02, 2007, 03:06:11 AM »
@Adriano (abassign)
I tested using a 8 feet super thin wire, smaller than human hair, and nothing, no heat at all and ALL 50+ LEDs are lit brigthly.

Fausto.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #440 on: November 02, 2007, 04:02:21 AM »
@Adriano (abassign)
I tested using a 8 feet super thin wire, smaller than human hair, and nothing, no heat at all and ALL 50+ LEDs are lit brigthly.

Fausto.
In all the years I've spent looking at and reading about different so called O/U devices (nearly 30 years), very few, if any, till now, have
actually looked truly promising to me. Closer inspection and analysis always reveals the flaw/s.

Dr Stiffler, you really seem to be onto something very special here. Great replications by Amigos and Plengo and K4Zep serve to further the advances in understanding this strange effect.

I just found and viewed the video "part 9". Fantastic progress!

I am waiting in great anticipation for "part 10". Dr Stiffler, you've been very open with your discoveries, and I have no doubt,
that your contributions will one day soon, benefit humanity. I only hope that humanity will be be grateful and also reward your endevours.

Great Stuff, I'm staying tuned to this thread, and looking forward to each and every lesson, from all of you!

KneeDeep from The Toad who Hops  :)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #441 on: November 02, 2007, 05:01:22 AM »
Has anybody got a link to a low-cost oscillator circuit, with easy-to-get parts? The biggest problem for me (and many other electronics noobs) is going to be getting hold of a ~12mhz square wave generator.

The LTC1799 circuit posted before is problematic, because the LTC1799 is hard to come by where I live (Australia).

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #442 on: November 02, 2007, 07:19:05 AM »
Hmm,
I am back, buttoo tired now to post pictures and make a video.

I also have no luck it seems.

It seems I  bought the wrong part.
The 74AC14 hex schmitt trigger inverted can only be
used with maximum 6 Volts supply voltage and I thought,
that I could use 15 Volts...

Which is the right part for 15 Volts supply ?
Is it the 74 HC14?

So I get now only around 4 Volts peak to peak
AC high frequency voltage from this generator.

I am using the attached circuit diagram
and am driving the rest of the inverters in parallel to get
a better current output.
( The circuit diagram is from a 74HC14 type PDF file,
but I have only here now a 74AC14)

Also it seems I always get better results with just
a choke from the 10 windings wired around my AM Litz coil.
When I put the ferrite core into the coils, the brightness of the LED
gets worse,also if I retune the oscillator !
I tried 3 different ferrite cores, but none will give me
any amplification in this moment.
Well I used a trimmer capacitor to change the frequency and
the range is not very big now.
Maybe around 8 to 12 Mhz now.
I need to use a potentiometer for to change the resistor value
to get a better range and  be able to tune the circuit much better..

Sorry, but in this moment I can not see any OU effect and even
a 10 winding aircore coil as choke in front of the Avramenko plug
just works best at around 10 Mhz.
This just gives me the brightest light from the LED.

By the way, I changed again back to a normal Avramenko plug
having 2 x 1N4148 diodes and 1 blue bright light LED.

When I used the 3 LEDs I don?t get them to light up,
you need much higher voltages then...

I tried all combinations of coils and cores I had, but this the
10 winding aircore choke gives me the best light output.

One pin of the Avramenko plug LED must be grounded or
was connected to my stainless steel mesh.

Then I get very good light at around 10 Mhz from the Avramenko plug LED.
But I did not measure yet the input power from my batteries into the 74AC14
circuit.
I am driving via the 5 parallel inverter outputs a 6.8 nF cap and then the 10 winding
aircore choke (about 1 cm diameter) and then via one wire to the Avramenko plug with the
LED.
One LED pin is then connected to the stainless steel mesh hanging isolated in the air.

This gives the best light right now...

Also I only have round cores, no flat ferrite cores.

Okay, so far my oberservations.
Next step is to enhance the oscillator to be able to tune
from around 1 Mhz to 20 Mhz with a pot
and have a higher peak to peak output voltage.

But I guess, I just don?t have the right cores !

Please Ron,
can you check, if also other cores work for you
and how your circuit behaves, when you remove the core
from the coils ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: November 02, 2007, 07:46:33 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #443 on: November 02, 2007, 07:37:42 AM »
@plengo

"I tested using a 8 feet super thin wire, smaller than human hair, and nothing, no heat at all and ALL 50+ LEDs are lit brigthly".

Fantastic! You are reproduced the Avramenko experiment!
It would now be interesting to close the circuit to mass with the generator of signals, to see if this has effect to heat the thin wire. If you have a termocouple or thermometer you can measure the heating of the thread in the two cases.

I think that your experiment is fundamental better to understand the phenomenon. To what frequency are you using the generator of signals? And possible measure the current which comes along the wire with the oscilloscopio which I have seen in the photography? Can you send an image to be able to understand the current he passes to you? And also the tension.

Can you use/build a simple signal generator, powered by a battery and therefore do again the tests verifying the absorption of the oscillator (always with the oscilloscope) and the group of the LEDs?

I Think is important to understand  if the system composed by:
oscillator-> wire -> rectifier -> LEDs
produce energy or only transport energy ?

If is only a transport media the envelopment L1-L2-L3 used by Stiffer becomes fundamental.

At this point tries to insert only L1, do a test for his dimensioning and verifies what happens.
oscillator-> wire -> L1 -> rectifier -> LEDs
produce energy or only transport energy ?

You can obviously olso insert the other parts and remake the experiment...

However always tries to use a simple and oscillator powered by a battery.

Best regards
Adriano


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #444 on: November 02, 2007, 07:40:41 AM »
@plengo

"I tested using a 8 feet super thin wire, smaller than human hair, and nothing, no heat at all and ALL 50+ LEDs are lit brigthly".




Hi,
do you need to match the driver frequency to the length
of the wire ?

What if you change the length ?

Do you then also have to adjust the
frequency ?
So is it a standing wave ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #445 on: November 02, 2007, 07:41:39 AM »
Here is the circuit I was using for the
oscillator.
( my inverters were all 74AC14)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #446 on: November 02, 2007, 09:28:39 AM »
Okay,I just looked it up,
only the 74C14 is CMOS compatible with up to 15 Volts power
supply voltage.
The 74AC14 I bought is only good up to 7 Volts maximum...!  :'(

So I wonder, which is the fasted hex inverter schmitt trigger,
thatcan use 15 Volts supply voltage ?

How fast is the 40106 or 4584 compared to the 74C14 ?

Which one is the fasted and good available ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #447 on: November 02, 2007, 12:37:43 PM »
Does anyone have comments on the remarks at   http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Stiffler_Cold_Electricity_Circuit#Forum

He doesn't seem to think there is anything unusual about Dr. Stiffler's circuit:

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This circuit is similar to a very common circuit used by thousands of people everyday to power the flash lamps in disposable cameras....Since the bulb is a 15 watt bulb, it will be bright during the 1/10 second it is consuming 14.4 watts. Thus the circuit performance can easily be explained without ?cold electricity? or ?over unity?.

Note that the primary of the transformer is being fed with an RF frequency signal. It is unclear if this is deliberate or if it is a parasitic oscillation. The open lead on the secondary of the transformer is not actually unconnected at RF frequencies but is connected to other parts of the circuit by the parasitic capacitance of the lead. Same for the neon bulbs.
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #448 on: November 02, 2007, 01:38:41 PM »
Does anyone have comments on the remarks at   http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Stiffler_Cold_Electricity_Circuit#Forum

He doesn't seem to think there is anything unusual about Dr. Stiffler's circuit:

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This circuit is similar to a very common circuit used by thousands of people everyday to power the flash lamps in disposable cameras....Since the bulb is a 15 watt bulb, it will be bright during the 1/10 second it is consuming 14.4 watts. Thus the circuit performance can easily be explained without ?cold electricity? or ?over unity?.

Note that the primary of the transformer is being fed with an RF frequency signal. It is unclear if this is deliberate or if it is a parasitic oscillation. The open lead on the secondary of the transformer is not actually unconnected at RF frequencies but is connected to other parts of the circuit by the parasitic capacitance of the lead. Same for the neon bulbs.


========The gentleman has done a bang up job analyzing the circuit without building it using excellent conventional theory. He hasn't a clue as to why the RF is used, the resonance factor in the circuit, the AV plug theory, the BF coil theory, his knowledge of the device is so superficial that he has missed every important concept there.

 IF it were a standard transformer, OSC/ etc.  His numbers are dead on.  BUT, by not building the Stiffler circuit, an analyzing what is going on, making measurements as to the actual input/output power, totally misses the point and calculations..........sad.  The circuit is not even remotely similar. Visually, both flash.....thats where the similarity ends.

Ben

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #449 on: November 02, 2007, 01:52:50 PM »
his knowledge of the device is so superficial that he has missed every important concept there....The circuit is not even remotely similar. Visually, both flash.....thats where the similarity ends.

Ben [/b][/b]

Thanks for the reply.