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DrStiffler

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #405 on: November 01, 2007, 05:46:21 PM »
Ron
With 28 posts you have made it to Elite member. I think Stefan is sorry!

That's not the reason, I was going to start a closed thread until I found that some decent people do exist on this list.

Stefan and I go back many years and this is not the first time we have butted heads, Right Stefan?

But lets not go there.......

Has anyone seen the postings on Vortex where I am now referred to as a Con-Artist?


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #406 on: November 01, 2007, 05:59:05 PM »

Has anyone seen the postings on Vortex where I am now referred to as a Con-Artist?


I think people are saying they are suspicious because you get ticked off when people mention that this or that mundane explanation may account for the power.

Maybe you just have a short fuse when criticized, but you can't blame them. After all, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

I hope you will keep right on going with this. I'm looking forward to what the solar panel will produce.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #407 on: November 01, 2007, 06:21:19 PM »

Has anyone seen the postings on Vortex where I am now referred to as a Con-Artist?


I think people are saying they are suspicious because you get ticked off when people mention that this or that mundane explanation may account for the power.

Maybe you just have a short fuse when criticized, but you can't blame them. After all, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

I hope you will keep right on going with this. I'm looking forward to what the solar panel will produce.

Suspicion and Con-Artist are to very different points of view!!

I do not apologize to anyone for my attitude as I have paid my dues and spent most of my life trying to absorb knowledge. If I get frustrated by those that might want to avoid the work and be handed something without effort on their part then indeed I do get livid.

This list and the people that have and are working on replications may very well be the people that make a difference for billions of people, which I can not do without their help. I am most adamant about a step at a time and not wasting time going into some radio transmitter myth.

Those that wish to, lets move forward, be a part of History, don't sit back and wait for #10, it can not come without support by the simple replications and removal of the basic objections. Scientists do not want to touch this. It should only takes days, not months or years once you commit and do.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #408 on: November 01, 2007, 06:29:06 PM »
Hi Dr. Stiffler,

DAMN good to see you did quit us.  I agree with your measurements and thank you for the "worst case" numbers. I understand perfectly. My lousy board appears to be running at about a worse case as it can but the current and voltages I see across the LEDs agree with your numbers perfectly.  I'm sort of busy today with family matters so experimenting time is short.  More of that tonight.

  It would appear that with the basic ON BOARD RF Osc. driver, you have the ability to generate 3X as much energy through/into the LEDs as the Osc. uses.  Your numbers are absolutely worst case! A really good question that you have addressed before and is very difficult to measure, is:  How much of that 300 mw do you actual use in the conversion process?  From what I can tell, it is almost nil!  I also assume the impedance converter you are talking about is a step up RF transformer to get as high a p/p RF to the BF xformer.  In you basic L/C input circuit, this seems to do that also at resonance.  Keep up the great work! 

Now how much current @ 12VDC does that darn solar panel put out when illuminated via thos LEDs?  There is so much loss here.   I know patience is a virtue! 

Ben 


@All

Let me post some worst case figures for you to look over. My single coil, driven by a Colpitts Oscillator drawing 5mA into an impedance converter drawing 20mA from 12 volts.

12 x 2.5E-2 = 0.300 or 300 mW input.

Driving 75 LEDS in series with a forward drop each of 3.2 -3.8 volts with 4mA in the series chain. Lets use the low forward drop;

75 x 3.2 = 240 volts therefore 240 x 4E-3 = 0.960 or 960 mW

Do you all understand? and this is worst case.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #409 on: November 01, 2007, 06:41:14 PM »
Hi Tinu,

Glad to see you around again too and as I recall you aren't no slouch at expirementation either.  Lets help make this thing work.  Replications is the best form of flattery for any inventor and puts a lot of BS to rest.  Got lots of part on order to try and make this thing fly now that I have a slight feel for what is going on!  Remember Dr. Stiffler has been working on this for Many years!!!  It all takes time.............................Bedini is another story at another time....life goes on.

Ben

if it sucks energy from RF the MIBs come to your house an switch of the magic lights very soon. They can measure it without coming in your house (when above hundreds of Watts or so - living such nearby makes people sick). Less RF-power decelerates signal strength of the station resulting in poorer radio quality. But maybe it is not RF!? Stiffler always states that. So then what is it? I cannot see what prevents it consuming power somehow from the supply or signalgenerator-supply!!! I think its possible, that a stimulated core can produce energy. In this case: Until it is not running completely disconnected by its own, i beleave nothing - but hope the best.

Believe nothing if you like but it?s more then nothing there. It?s something and it is surely exciting.
I felt posting the above in exchange because I was also among the firsts questioning about the RF issue. (hmm, detractors?)

However, until now despite the almost unbelievable visual impact, one has to remember that the overall power is maybe at 0.8-1W. This is a fact, which is clearly achievable using one wire, conventional electric theory. Nonetheless, the work is still in progress. So any verdict would be just a bad guess. And probably like many others here, I am quietly watching the advancement, and also still waiting to see some solid proof about longitudinal waves (which imho do not exist) and of course about OU/FE. This would be science. Good science. And I?ll take my hat off in front of you Dr. Stiffler if you can keep the good road on. But it seems we are now in a dead end and I don?t entirely understand Dr. Stiffler at this point. Almost everything is on the table to show at least an estimate of power balance: dc in, light out (and some loses, of course) and to go solid. But subjects are taken personally and questions are taken as insults. Why?

Anyway: user hartiberlin, you have disturbed this thread. Please ban yourself for at least a weak! Lol
(This is just to make a point about banning. By the way, how is Humbugger?)

Last, but not least: Ben, I remember you are an excellent experimentalist. Glad you are here! Hope the old story about Mike/Bedini is over and some serious subjects may now be brought around the table.

Tinu


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #410 on: November 01, 2007, 07:09:59 PM »
Hi Dr. Stiffler,

DAMN good to see you did quit us.  I agree with your measurements and thank you for the "worst case" numbers. I understand perfectly. My lousy board appears to be running at about a worse case as it can but the current and voltages I see across the LEDs agree with your numbers perfectly.  I'm sort of busy today with family matters so experimenting time is short.  More of that tonight.

  It would appear that with the basic ON BOARD RF Osc. driver, you have the ability to generate 3X as much energy through/into the LEDs as the Osc. uses.  Your numbers are absolutely worst case! A really good question that you have addressed before and is very difficult to measure, is:  How much of that 300 mw do you actual use in the conversion process?  From what I can tell, it is almost nil!  I also assume the impedance converter you are talking about is a step up RF transformer to get as high a p/p RF to the BF xformer.  In you basic L/C input circuit, this seems to do that also at resonance.  Keep up the great work! 

Now how much current @ 12VDC does that darn solar panel put out when illuminated via thos LEDs?  There is so much loss here.   I know patience is a virtue! 

Ben 


@All

Let me post some worst case figures for you to look over. My single coil, driven by a Colpitts Oscillator drawing 5mA into an impedance converter drawing 20mA from 12 volts.

12 x 2.5E-2 = 0.300 or 300 mW input.

Driving 75 LEDS in series with a forward drop each of 3.2 -3.8 volts with 4mA in the series chain. Lets use the low forward drop;

75 x 3.2 = 240 volts therefore 240 x 4E-3 = 0.960 or 960 mW

Do you all understand? and this is worst case.
@k4zep

You are correct that it is very difficult to measure input, that is a sticking point with the so called geniuses. Let me address something in this same sentence  so it will not stand out and get all worked up. I have many times seen the energy flowing back into the impedance driver from the coil. More energy than going in, but wasted as it is dumped. So do not be at all surprised if you see this condition, your not nuts.

No, what I mean by impedance driver is the MOSFET that drives the coil that is in turn driven by the oscillator. The load on the oscillator if you tried to direct couple it is to great and it will not stay in oscillation and/or tune properly. The MOSFET forms the buffer between the oscillator and the coil and also better matched the coil input.

The solar cell, well I have been trying to keep my web site in sync and it is close, but still catching up. That first solar cell is a JOKE and I told the manufacture as much. In full sun the TOY could only generate 30mA. I do have the start of the info on my site at the bottom of the page. In short, to make it work you will need the best cell you can get, I will give examples and you will need to play with some small mirrors to use all the light, but that is later right?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #411 on: November 01, 2007, 07:55:49 PM »
I do not apologize to anyone for my attitude as I have paid my dues and spent most of my life trying to absorb knowledge. If I get frustrated by those that might want to avoid the work and be handed something without effort on their part then indeed I do get livid.

This list and the people that have and are working on replications may very well be the people that make a difference for billions of people, which I can not do without their help. I am most adamant about a step at a time and not wasting time going into some radio transmitter myth.

Those that wish to, lets move forward, be a part of History, don't sit back and wait for #10, it can not come without support by the simple replications and removal of the basic objections. Scientists do not want to touch this. It should only takes days, not months or years once you commit and do.

Thank you, you are generous to post your research so openly, and I agree with you on the difference it will make.  Do you place all of your research in the public domain, and relinquish any claim on the apparatus and its variations?  You say "simple replications" and you are even careful not to frame the 'validators' as 'contributors', but what about those who stumble upon more complex improvements.  Is not your work an improvement on anothers?  Isn't your device an accident?  Can you explain the principle of its operation?




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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #412 on: November 01, 2007, 08:24:13 PM »
I do not apologize to anyone for my attitude as I have paid my dues and spent most of my life trying to absorb knowledge. If I get frustrated by those that might want to avoid the work and be handed something without effort on their part then indeed I do get livid.

This list and the people that have and are working on replications may very well be the people that make a difference for billions of people, which I can not do without their help. I am most adamant about a step at a time and not wasting time going into some radio transmitter myth.

Those that wish to, lets move forward, be a part of History, don't sit back and wait for #10, it can not come without support by the simple replications and removal of the basic objections. Scientists do not want to touch this. It should only takes days, not months or years once you commit and do.

Thank you, you are generous to post your research so openly, and I agree with you on the difference it will make.  Do you place all of your research in the public domain, and relinquish any claim on the apparatus and its variations?  You say "simple replications" and you are even careful not to frame the 'validators' as 'contributors', but what about those who stumble upon more complex improvements.  Is not your work an improvement on anothers?  Isn't your device an accident?  Can you explain the principle of its operation?

>> Do you place all of your research in the public domain, and relinquish any claim on the apparatus and its variations?
I most certainly DO!, if I had planned to make money from it you would never have been told about it.

>>You say "simple replications" and you are even careful not to frame the 'validators' as 'contributors', but what about those who stumble upon more complex improvements
Oh a linguist you are, how can we twist words. You know exactly what I stated. How can anyone construe this to mean I would take any achievement from anyone else? 

 >>Is not your work an improvement on anothers?
Some others and I make full disclosure on my web site.

>> Isn't your device an accident?
Oh yes of course I just happened to stumble across a silly configuration of a circuit as I have presented.

>>Can you explain the principle of its operation?
I do think so and a paper will be offered for publication when I am ready.

Oh by the way, are you a vortex member???

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #413 on: November 01, 2007, 08:30:20 PM »
Well it looks like I misjudged you!

Let me be the first to say that you ROCK!

Also, you are certainly not a fraud.

(But c'mon, that logo...)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #414 on: November 01, 2007, 08:39:18 PM »
Well it looks like I misjudged you!

Let me be the first to say that you ROCK!

Also, you are certainly not a fraud.

(But c'mon, that logo...)

>>(But c'mon, that logo...)
So what is wrong with my bird? That I will sell to you.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #415 on: November 01, 2007, 08:44:40 PM »
Welcome back Dr.  Let's keep moving forward like you said.  It's about the work, not the people anyway.  Overall, I think this is a good group, you will see.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #416 on: November 01, 2007, 08:55:45 PM »
Well it looks like I misjudged you!

Let me be the first to say that you ROCK!

Also, you are certainly not a fraud.

(But c'mon, that logo...)

>>(But c'mon, that logo...)
So what is wrong with my bird? That I will sell to you.

You are like me in that I also suffer from only hearing the negative.
Actually, you are what drew me to this site. 
I believe strongly in the 2nd Law of thermodynamics and probably wouldn't be caught dead here...


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #417 on: November 01, 2007, 08:56:08 PM »
Welcome back Dr.  Let's keep moving forward like you said.  It's about the work, not the people anyway.  Overall, I think this is a good group, you will see.

Bill
Thank you, we will get there even though we have moles that carry back to other groups false statements.

But I have decided to let other people clean that disgusting mess up.

And Please do continue the Dr., I earned it and when all comes out in the wash the moles will eat their words.  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #418 on: November 01, 2007, 09:25:11 PM »
@Adriano
Thanks for the request. I will do a series of tests on that level tonight. But, since you mention about the current I am very puzzled by it which comes to my question directed to

@Dr. Stiffer,
thanks for not leaving us and showing your work and even putting this effort for us to learn and may be improve on it. I did my simplified test (a few posts ago) only to eliminate many variables and be able to measure each individual step (I dont have the experience you have). I also tried one of the most simplified versions you posted with only the radio coil, the choque, cap, resistor and one led. I did succeed somewhat and I got the High voltage on the neon light and the led being lit.

My question: measuring the input current on my design (with only the leds and func gen) it was only about less than .10ma (one tenth of a 1 milliamp) and output current being .40ma and you just showed the math that implies a much higher current and voltage is necessary to light the leds, how is it possible that my design still lights 50+ leds? I measured the voltage accros all the leds and is still about 4.3volts. (I understand that somewhat my design is similiar to yours without the amplification, I think)

Fausto.

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« Reply #419 on: November 01, 2007, 09:35:40 PM »
@Adriano
Thanks for the request. I will do a series of tests on that level tonight. But, since you mention about the current I am very puzzled by it which comes to my question directed to

@Dr. Stiffer,
thanks for not leaving us and showing your work and even putting this effort for us to learn and may be improve on it. I did my simplified test (a few posts ago) only to eliminate many variables and be able to measure each individual step (I dont have the experience you have). I also tried one of the most simplified versions you posted with only the radio coil, the choque, cap, resistor and one led. I did succeed somewhat and I got the High voltage on the neon light and the led being lit.

My question: measuring the input current on my design (with only the leds and func gen) it was only about less than .10ma (one tenth of a 1 milliamp) and output current being .40ma and you just showed the math that implies a much higher current and voltage is necessary to light the leds, how is it possible that my design still lights 50+ leds? I measured the voltage accros all the leds and is still about 4.3volts. (I understand that somewhat my design is similiar to yours without the amplification, I think)

Fausto.
If you would please post a circuit diagram I will look at it and see if I can offer meaningful response to your questions.

The example I gave was from a worst case of the work I have done, (well maybe not the worst but close). Anyway there may be many things involved, certain LEDS are very sensitive and you can often get them to flash from the static you pick up when walking on a rug, holding one end and touching the other to a metal mass or ground. But I doubt that is you case, not for 50+ LEDS. I need to really see what you have to offer much. As far as input, it is a moot point if you use some on-board oscillator and worry only about the DC voltage and current supplying it. You can solve any problems from people claiming spikes by hanging a 0.01, 0.1 and 1,000 in parallel across the DC input. For the external oscillator this is where I get so much flak. I think my site explains the methods I have used and I think I may have talked about it earlier in the thread.

Like I say, can you provide a diagram and or picture.