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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1470426 times)

DrStiffler

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #315 on: October 29, 2007, 02:25:11 PM »
@amigo

Forgot to add, the reason the LED brightness falls is the LEDS have changed the resonate point of the coils, you have to retune to the max point again. If in tuning your oscillator the freq. changes rapidly you may not be able to find the exact point. I know this is a fine line, an oscillator that will swing over a wide bandwidth and yet be adjustable in a small bandwidth. So goes experiment. 

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #316 on: October 29, 2007, 08:09:51 PM »
Dear Ron,
so what exactly is exciting the coil-cores,
if you use just a ground wire ?
Can you try to find this out please ?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #318 on: October 30, 2007, 12:26:19 AM »
Rstiffler said both these quotes on this thread ... Stefan wasn't off base at all for asking that question about the ground noise and single wire conductor

Getting somewhat concerned about what you do not understand, or do not want to. Where in this diagram do you see a parasitic plate or a signal generator.
Please stop trying to change or put works in my mouth because I will not just jump to the end.



4) The Al plate does not worth the same as mass does in Stefans example. When using a proto-board with the backing Al plate it need not concern you until you wish to use it as a parasitic amplifier, in which case you would drive the circuit by applying your signal to the outer most plate.
 ??? ??? ??? ???

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #319 on: October 30, 2007, 12:46:07 AM »
Rstiffler said both these quotes on this thread ... Stefan wasn't off base at all for asking that question about the ground noise and single wire conductor

Getting somewhat concerned about what you do not understand, or do not want to. Where in this diagram do you see a parasitic plate or a signal generator.
Please stop trying to change or put works in my mouth because I will not just jump to the end.



4) The Al plate does not worth the same as mass does in Stefans example. When using a proto-board with the backing Al plate it need not concern you until you wish to use it as a parasitic amplifier, in which case you would drive the circuit by applying your signal to the outer most plate.
 ??? ??? ??? ???
If you want to say something, say it, why extend the thread by some form of insinuation?

If you want to pursue the work great otherwise one could infer you to be another distractor  ????

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #320 on: October 30, 2007, 01:17:11 AM »
 ;D
« Last Edit: October 30, 2007, 06:58:06 PM by starcruiser »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #321 on: October 30, 2007, 01:43:05 AM »
Amazing Video !

What happens if the generator ground is connected
to the Al plate of the Jameco board ?

BTW: The ground impedance of the signal generator
connected to mains ground would be interesting..
The signal of the generator still rides on this impedance
vs. ambient electrical potential.
Every operating switching mode power supply without
power shaping "feeds" the mains ground.
The wave lenght at 10MHz is 30 meters.

If the power is transported via al plate and ambient potential
vs. signal generator ground - I would say that this can?t
be achieved with 60 Hz. Options could be that grounded
devices like switching mode power supplies produce overtone
harmonics on the ground line.
Even the complete ground system of the building could
operate as antenna for the nearby radio stations.
By tapping these antenna on the right point....
10pf @ 60 Hz -> GOhms
10pf @ 10 Megs -> 1k6

Even if the coil has inverse hysteresis and/or the led
has an operating point with negative resistance - how do
you achieve the needed polarization current on the air-al
plate without rf involved or overunity ?


amazing.

rgds,

Wolfgang

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #322 on: October 30, 2007, 01:59:12 AM »
@RStiffler

Those were very constructive remarks in your previous post and I will take them seriously. I know my L1 is not correct - I am struggling here with what I have. :)

Right now I do not have access to a good LCR meter (perhaps you could suggest one to me please?) The Mastech DMM I have has LC option but it is pretty crude and does not measure down to uH as I would like to.
I saw some on eBay but not sure if they are any good: for example this one) or this one.

As far as taking the conversation private, if you do not mind, could we keep it in here? I feel that my limited success so far will encourage others to start experimenting and reporting their findings here. This thread is already a solid repository of knowledge about this subject with many excellent remarks made by you and the others, so anyone else interested can easily refer to it, beside going to your web page.

I'm off to watch your latest video now and then to see if I can make a new better L1...

Thank You.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #323 on: October 30, 2007, 02:06:32 AM »
Sorry Dr Stiffer , I'm a cryptic writer and I meant no harm.  It just looked like you were trying to keep Stefan on base so he could discover things like you did, but by keeping it basic still, so to understand what was making them happen and why.  But since you had brought up the parasitic capacitor, signal generator thing before Iin the thread  I was assuming that it might be something to play with later in the game but not for now since were still understanding the elements of what is happening. Again no harm intended sorry.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #324 on: October 30, 2007, 02:13:53 AM »
@RStiffler

Those were very constructive remarks in your previous post and I will take them seriously. I know my L1 is not correct - I am struggling here with what I have. :)

Right now I do not have access to a good LCR meter (perhaps you could suggest one to me please?) The Mastech DMM I have has LC option but it is pretty crude and does not measure down to uH as I would like to.
I saw some on eBay but not sure if they are any good: for example this one) or this one.

As far as taking the conversation private, if you do not mind, could we keep it in here? I feel that my limited success so far will encourage others to start experimenting and reporting their findings here. This thread is already a solid repository of knowledge about this subject with many excellent remarks made by you and the others, so anyone else interested can easily refer to it, beside going to your web page.

I'm off to watch your latest video now and then to see if I can make a new better L1...

Thank You.
Well we may keep it here for a bit yet, although I am getting tired of using my time to play the games going on, like the so called RF issue. Rhetoric is not what I agreed to here by joining the list. If they (and they) know who they are can not get the idea this is my technology and we will proceed under my terms or I will no longer be a part of it, plain and simple.

Build, explore and then understand. If all we do here is want the end first and harp on RF or local transmitters then move on to one of you more productive technologies.

Sorry for the rant.

Meters yes, but anything good costs bucks, so I don't want to be put in that position, that would be a personal decision.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #325 on: October 30, 2007, 02:40:51 AM »
Well we may keep it here for a bit yet, although I am getting tired of using my time to play the games going on, like the so called RF issue. Rhetoric is not what I agreed to here by joining the list. If they (and they) know who they are can not get the idea this is my technology and we will proceed under my terms or I will no longer be a part of it, plain and simple.

Build, explore and then understand. If all we do here is want the end first and harp on RF or local transmitters then move on to one of you more productive technologies.

Sorry for the rant.

Meters yes, but anything good costs bucks, so I don't want to be put in that position, that would be a personal decision.

I understand your frustration, but perhaps you can ignore those voices altogether since there will always be those who do not believe, it's like that in any field not just this one. So, let's not worry about them, but about us and others willing to do something new and different. :)

I showed the last video to my girlfriend who's just standing over my shoulder right now and she believed it. She does not know anything about RF or electronics and does not care, as long as you turn it on and there's light it's good enough for her. And she is the kind of people that we want to make these devices for, normal people, not RF skeptics who will be nitpicking and looking for a hidden wire or a midget in a black box turning the gears. :D

About personal preference in meters, I agree though I'm seeking an advice from someone with more experience using them. I saw you have the Elenco LCR-1810, is that a good LCR meter, have you used it to make your coils with?
Don't worry, I will not buy that or something else and then say "Dr. Stiffler told me to get this one and it doesn't work well". It will still be my decision and my money at the end. :)

Thanks.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #326 on: October 30, 2007, 03:13:26 AM »
Amazing stuff Dr Stiffler, and well done Amigos.
I have been following this thread with great interest. I 'm a little out of my league here regarding
detailed analysis of high frequency RF style experiments, but I think I grasp the main concepts here and
I definitely find the subject fascinating and motivating. Makes me want to go out and buy some parts right now!

Keep up the great work, and please don't go private with the info you are gaining.

Your work is precious at this moment in time. There will always be detractors in any field of research.
They are often a good "barometer" for determining what not to do! (LOL) Forget them and keep investigating.
What you are achieving is priceless!

Eagerly looking forward to more posts from you both.

Cheers from theToad who Hops

Cheers from the Toad who Hops


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #327 on: October 30, 2007, 06:25:40 AM »
Hi Ron,
many thanks for the new video.
Can you please let us know,
what frequency and what amplitude did you drive it with
via the single wire ?
Was it a sine or a square wave ?

Many thanks.

P.S: If you have problems with the slow
Youtube servers you can try:

www.vtunnel.com

This kind of proxy server can stream the youtube videos much faster.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #328 on: October 30, 2007, 08:31:59 AM »
I believe that RStiffler has capture some energy.
I understand Tesla's system of sending energy through Earth. Every standard HF station has two part (bad from Tesla's point of view):
1.  radiating part (~90%)
2. ground current (~10%)

It is standard radio transmitter system. If voltage on output antenna is high, that 10% can go to all part of Earth.
In Tesla's transmitter he use 90% of ground current and more, and his system don't radiate energy in radio wave form.
Receiver for that 'ground' transmitting is in his patents: 685 953 and 685 955.
You can found it on my web page: http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07.html

I think that we have lot of energy signal in ground. For receive you need two plates in distance in ground, or one in air, and other in ground, or inductance in air and ground... And system for accumulate that low energy in some time interval for magnification, and useful work.

I know that this device can work, but where is the source? Is it natural, or is human powered Tesla's style transmitter?
Ionosphere-ground system has lot of energy. If you somehow capture that energy, it will be great. But if you capture human powered, you just prove Tesla's energy transmission.

RStiffler, I think that you has done good work! It could be embryo for something new...

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #329 on: October 30, 2007, 09:49:47 AM »
@RStiffler

Those were very constructive remarks in your previous post and I will take them seriously. I know my L1 is not correct - I am struggling here with what I have. :)

Right now I do not have access to a good LCR meter (perhaps you could suggest one to me please?) The Mastech DMM I have has LC option but it is pretty crude and does not measure down to uH as I would like to.
I saw some on eBay but not sure if they are any good: for example this one) or this one.

As far as taking the conversation private, if you do not mind, could we keep it in here? I feel that my limited success so far will encourage others to start experimenting and reporting their findings here. This thread is already a solid repository of knowledge about this subject with many excellent remarks made by you and the others, so anyone else interested can easily refer to it, beside going to your web page.

I'm off to watch your latest video now and then to see if I can make a new better L1...

Thank You.
Well we may keep it here for a bit yet, although I am getting tired of using my time to play the games going on, like the so called RF issue. Rhetoric is not what I agreed to here by joining the list. If they (and they) know who they are can not get the idea this is my technology and we will proceed under my terms or I will no longer be a part of it, plain and simple.

Build, explore and then understand. If all we do here is want the end first and harp on RF or local transmitters then move on to one of you more productive technologies.

The rf issue ....
I never raised the question that the circuit itself is receiving rf in a classical way.
But its connected (even if only hot wire of the generator connected) to mains ground
via the generator output resistance. (and such connection is essential - so far)
And as long there is no LC filter between generator output and al plate (as "local" ground),
or there is a measurement with (ground lifted) spectrum analyzer and high voltage probe between
main ground and al plate - we dont know it(if rf is involved).
The operating frequency of the circuit is rf - means that all effects related to rf
apply - so its an issue. (maybe your technology/approach is different)
I respect your technology and what you have found by a high degree,
but I still believe in the possibility of scientific discussion -.
If there is no interest in such discussion - no problem.

I?ll analyse my main ground vs. ambient potential in my lab with
a spectrum analyser - because its an interesting topic.
I?ll discuss my findings with myself - so no need for any action -
There will be no AM coils involved, no leds, so your technology
is not touched in any sense.

So please ignore this post - I will open up another thread (if not
possible on this platform than on another platform) for
grounding issues  - and you continue here with your project
and under your terms and conditions.

rgds.