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hartiberlin

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2715 on: November 15, 2009, 05:29:08 PM »
I have banned user Spinner now from posting and he is on read only now
for all his continuing negative comments
as he was already warned several times.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2716 on: November 16, 2009, 01:59:48 AM »
for anyone intrested you can now buy completed Sec 18-1 from his site for 25.95 shipping included  USA and a few dollars more for international . Not advertizing for him its just information only .
Also i see he up and runned from energetic forum like he did here .

gadget

Al:

Thanks for the heads up.  I just ordered the SEC-18-1 with the optional L3 coil.  I can't wait to start learning about it and begin experimentation.  I really like what Lidmotor and Jonnydavro are doing with the SEC devices.  This should be fun.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2717 on: November 16, 2009, 03:53:54 AM »
Hi Pirate ! . Your Welcome . It is a neat little oscillator . I do respect Mr. Stiffler and thank him for sharing his circuits with us . Yes when you get one L3 can be many forms . It can be a coil  a torroid winding OR a straight piece if wire . I believe its cut to a certain Frequency  exactly like a tuned antenna on a Ham or Cb radio . There is also 1/4 wave 1/2 wave and full wave . I have the calculations some where and i am sure they are on The AARl Amature radio site.  What L3 is looks to be a 1/4 wave and  so this coil can be very much more if its length is calculated as a full wave antenna . No telling how far the excess Rf will go . i might order one myself .

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2718 on: November 18, 2009, 10:01:09 PM »
for anyone intrested you can now buy completed Sec 18-1 from his site for 25.95 shipping included  USA and a few dollars more for international . Not advertizing for him its just information only .
Also i see he up and runned from energetic forum like he did here .

gadget

@gadgetmall

How can you sleep at night? What allows you to say I (ran) from anywhere? I left OU.com and yes I have left EGF because of Dysfunctional BS, just like your far from factual statement than I (up and runned).

Ever wondered what facts and civility could offer??

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2719 on: November 18, 2009, 10:12:05 PM »
@ Stefan:  I have banned user Spinner now from posting and he is on read only now for all his continuing negative comments as he was already warned several times.

Regards, Stefan.(admin)

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Stefan, Thank You for doing that.  There are SOOOOO MANY Negative Guys on O/U that DISCOURAGES those of us that are trying to help.

Keep up the Good Work sir.


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2720 on: November 19, 2009, 10:19:02 PM »
Here is a short video using two rechargeable 9v batteries to run the exiter's to charge a big 12v battery.

The negative side of the run battery is going to the positive side of the cap.
Then the negative side of the cap is going to the negative on the exiter's.

Both exiter's the L3 coil is replaced with an AV plug that is also going to the cap.

Then the power from the cap is going through a diode to the charge battery.

After around an hour of running the charge battery went from 12.0v to 12.54v.


http://www.youtube.com/user/GBluer#p/a/u/0/BLNGc7pCqwk

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2721 on: November 19, 2009, 11:30:44 PM »
Slayer:

Very nicely done.  Do you think that set-up will take the 9 volt batteries down to 0 or near 0 charge?

Very cool.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2722 on: November 20, 2009, 12:02:16 AM »
@gadgetmall

How can you sleep at night? What allows you to say I (ran) from anywhere? I left OU.com and yes I have left EGF because of Dysfunctional BS, just like your far from factual statement than I (up and runned).

Ever wondered what facts and civility could offer??

Just remember that not all of us are ee or even have experience in electronics.  Some of us like myself do this as a heavily involved hobby.  So when I ask a stupid question be nice and ansewer it as my college major was CJ and I'm not trying to be an ass! 

P.S. Your work is awesome  ;D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2723 on: November 20, 2009, 12:24:24 AM »
Slayer:

Very nicely done.  Do you think that set-up will take the 9 volt batteries down to 0 or near 0 charge?

Very cool.

Bill

Maybe Bill, But it will take a long long time.

As the cap voltage comes close to the run battery voltage the current drops to all most nothing.

Right now it's down in the micro amps.As the cap voltage is around 14v around the same as the run batteries.

Thats why I'm using two 9v batteries so the cap voltage will rise close to the run battery voltage when the exiters are running.

Then I'm using the two AV plugs off the exiters and sending that back to the cap also.

Right now the way the caps in series with exiter negative the cap will fill to over half the run battery voltage.
And the AV plugs just add to it.To bring the voltage way up.


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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2724 on: November 20, 2009, 03:09:35 PM »
Here is the circuit I was using in the last video.

It will work better with bigger run batteries.

But I wanted to see if I could charge a big battery with two small batteries.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2725 on: November 20, 2009, 03:28:14 PM »
Here is a short video using two rechargeable 9v batteries to run the exiter's to charge a big 12v battery.

The negative side of the run battery is going to the positive side of the cap.
Then the negative side of the cap is going to the negative on the exiter's.

Both exiter's the L3 coil is replaced with an AV plug that is also going to the cap.

Then the power from the cap is going through a diode to the charge battery.

After around an hour of running the charge battery went from 12.0v to 12.54v.


http://www.youtube.com/user/GBluer#p/a/u/0/BLNGc7pCqwk

Looks interesting. If you can take the big battery voltage measurements after it has been resting unused for at  least several hours and still show an increase in voltage, then that's amazing. Let me know if that's possible, then I'd love to replicate it.

IOW, let big battery sit unconnected for at least several hours, measure it's voltage, then connect your circuit and charge the big battery, then disconnect big battery & let it sit unconnected for at least several hours, then measure it's voltage.

Regards,
Paul

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2726 on: November 20, 2009, 03:52:20 PM »
Also temperature makes a difference in battery voltage. If you can, write down the temperature. The adjustment is -0.022V/°C. So if the temperature changes, then use that equation to get the adjusted voltage so you can compare it to your 1st voltage measurement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_battery
The open circuit voltage, is measured when the engine is off and no loads are connected. It can be approximately related to the charge of the battery by:
Open Circuit Voltage (12 V)     Open Circuit Voltage (6 V)     Approximate charge     Relative acid density
12.65 V     6.3 V     100%     1.265 g/cm3
12.45 V     6.2 V     75%     1.225 g/cm3
12.24 V     6.1 V     50%     1.190 g/cm3
12.06 V     6.0 V     25%     1.155 g/cm3
11.89 V     6.0 V     0%     1.120 g/cm3

Open circuit voltage is also affected by temperature, and the specific gravity of the electrolyte at full charge.

The following is common for a six-cell automotive lead-acid battery at room temperature:

    * Quiescent (open-circuit) voltage at full charge: 12.6 V
    * Unloading-end: 11.8 V
    * Charge with 13.2–14.4 V
    * Gassing voltage: 14.4 V
    * Continuous-preservation charge with max. 13.2 V
    * After full charge the terminal voltage will drop quickly to 13.2 V and then slowly to 12.6 V
    * Wait at least 12 hours after charging to measure open circuit voltage, the resting time allows surface charge to dissipate and enables a more accurate reading.
    * All voltages are at 20 °C, and must be adjusted -0.022V/°C for temperature changes.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2727 on: November 20, 2009, 03:59:46 PM »
Looks interesting. If you can take the big battery voltage measurements after it has been resting unused for at  least several hours and still show an increase in voltage, then that's amazing. Let me know if that's possible, then I'd love to replicate it.

IOW, let big battery sit unconnected for at least several hours, measure it's voltage, then connect your circuit and charge the big battery, then disconnect big battery & let it sit unconnected for at least several hours, then measure it's voltage.

Regards,
Paul


Hello Paul.

I did let it sit all night and checked the voltage in the morning.

The voltage did drop a little in the charge battery.

It dropped from 12.55 to 12.32 after sitting all night.

I then drained the battery and recharged it.
This time I used a 12v in series with a 9v for the run batteries.

It charged so fast the charge battery went up 12.80 in no time.
The run battery was a 12v @ 12.24 the 9v was @ 9.01v

The 12v run battery went down to 12.20v then after sitting recovered all it's power back to 12.24v

The charge battery went down from 12.80 to 12.61 after sitting two hours.
But is now holding at 12.61







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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2728 on: November 20, 2009, 04:19:03 PM »

Hello Paul.

I did let it sit all night and checked the voltage in the morning.

The voltage did drop a little in the charge battery.

It dropped from 12.55 to 12.32 after sitting all night.

I then drained the battery and recharged it.
This time I used a 12v in series with a 9v for the run batteries.

It charged so fast the charge battery went up 12.80 in no time.
The run battery was a 12v @ 12.24 the 9v was @ 9.01v

The 12v run battery went down to 12.20v then after sitting recovered all it's power back to 12.24v

The charge battery went down from 12.80 to 12.61 after sitting two hours.
But is now holding at 12.61

That's amazing. I mean, even 12.32V because it started at 12.0V, right? If someone was to replicate one of these circuits, can you point out the most efficient one, perhaps yours or one of Dr.Stiffler?

Paul

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #2729 on: November 20, 2009, 04:29:19 PM »
That's amazing. I mean, even 12.32V because it started at 12.0V, right? If someone was to replicate one of these circuits, can you point out the most efficient one, perhaps yours or one of Dr.Stiffler?

Paul

Thanks Paul.

The circuit I'm using is the Sec 15.It can be found on this page.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3457.msg118617#msg118617

But I have two Sec's on the same board I'm using.
Here is a video of the two sec's I'm using.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoAqnq5TcHU

For the charger circuit I removed the L3 coils and put an AV plug in it's place.