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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1373714 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #300 on: October 28, 2007, 08:02:46 PM »
P.S. Before I am continueing with this circuit concept,
I still have to get a better frequency generator and also need
these special litz wire coils and cores.

I really want to replicate the exact setup as Ron has built it
or very simular at least.

This will need a few days.

Coming week I will continue with the tests of the other circuit:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3475.msg55362#msg55362

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #301 on: October 28, 2007, 08:12:26 PM »
Hi Ron,
another question:
What happens, when you shortout the coil L1
in the Fig: 14 - Circuit #7 Diagram ?

Will the LEDs still light up with just a ground wire and using
no signal generator ?

2. What will happen,
if you shortout the 400 pF cap in:
Fig: 26

Will you still get these high voltages, that can light neon bulbs
at the core-coils ?

At around 2 Mhz my Avramenkp plug diode also lighted up
without my ground (metal-mesh) wire, but I never got the high voltages
yet at the coils of my ferrite transformer.

Probably I could have got them only around 10 to 20 Mhz.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #302 on: October 28, 2007, 08:16:06 PM »
P.S. Before I am continueing with this circuit concept,
I still have to get a better frequency generator and also need
these special litz wire coils and cores.

I really want to replicate the exact setup as Ron has built it
or very simular at least.

This will need a few days.

Here's how I started. I opened my closet and found an old alarm clock with a radio. Upon closer inspection it had a similar core so I pulled it out. All in all it took me 5 mins to find a core. :)

Surely you must have an old alarm clock or an old radio or a garage sale over the weekend or some place with surplus items that sells stuff cheap ($1-$5) where you could pick one up. I know I was way too anxious to get this on the go because it was so impressive that I could not have possibly waited for eBay purchase and delivery. :D

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #303 on: October 28, 2007, 08:26:53 PM »
@RStiffler

You can use sine or square wave as the driving signal, sine does not produce the same number (less) resonant points as the square wave. In some coils if you use sine you may never obtain the high voltage as indicated by the neon.

Duh. Let me smack myself behind my neck since there's no one around to do it for me :)

I kept using Sine waves and wondering why my effects are so diminutive or why I do not see several peak resonant points. I am going to mod my signal generator to output square wave and see what happens next.

Would saw tooth waves work better perhaps, something like slow rise, sharp drop?

What Stefan has is very similar to what is called a Bucking Driver for LEDS where the inductance aids in powering the LEDS when the field collapses from the signal gen. as it moves through a complete cycle. If you look under LED Drivers on the internet and look at the bucking systems it may help in understand. A Red LED for example can put out a dim light if a person stands insulated and touches one end to a large mass. In this case it is being excited by ambient 60hz or 50hz.

When you say Bucking Driver, do you mean those Joule Thief kind of circuits, here's my "Bedinified" version of it:

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #304 on: October 28, 2007, 08:55:56 PM »
Hi Ron,
another question:
What happens, when you shortout the coil L1
in the Fig: 14 - Circuit #7 Diagram ?

Will the LEDs still light up with just a ground wire and using
no signal generator ?

2. What will happen,
if you shortout the 400 pF cap in:
Fig: 26

Will you still get these high voltages, that can light neon bulbs
at the core-coils ?

At around 2 Mhz my Avramenkp plug diode also lighted up
without my ground (metal-mesh) wire, but I never got the high voltages
yet at the coils of my ferrite transformer.

Probably I could have got them only around 10 to 20 Mhz.

>What happens, when you shortout the coil L1
>in the Fig: 14 - Circuit #7 Diagram ?

One side stops operation.

>Will the LEDs still light up with just a ground wire and using
>no signal generator ?

Which circuit? What Diagram?

>2. What will happen,
>if you shortout the 400 pF cap in:
>Fig: 26

The LED is a bit dimmer. The cap is not forming a series resonant tank.

>Will you still get these high voltages, that can light neon bulbs
>at the core-coils ?

If you are at the correct frequency. I explain fully that you can get a LED to light at maybe three freqs. with no HV and only one gives the HV.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #305 on: October 28, 2007, 09:22:03 PM »
Hi Ron,
will figure 22
with the picture:
(http://67.76.235.52/images/ce7dblwingcir.gif)

still light up all the LEDs,
if you shortout L1
and use your faraday cage around it and
just have a ground wire going to it there at L2 ?

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>2. What will happen,
>if you shortout the 400 pF cap in:
>Fig: 26

The LED is a bit dimmer. The cap is not forming a series resonant tank.

So it seems it is just the coil-core resonance
which are doing these effects, not the
external caps together with the coils.

I will build myself a square wave generator up to around 20 Mhz
and see where the resonances are with my ferrite transformer
and a few other ferrite cores I still have laying around.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #306 on: October 28, 2007, 09:44:24 PM »
Hi Ron,
will figure 22
with the picture:
(http://67.76.235.52/images/ce7dblwingcir.gif)

still light up all the LEDs,
if you shortout L1
and use your faraday cage around it and
just have a ground wire going to it there at L2 ?

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>2. What will happen,
>if you shortout the 400 pF cap in:
>Fig: 26

The LED is a bit dimmer. The cap is not forming a series resonant tank.

So it seems it is just the coil-core resonance
which are doing these effects, not the
external caps together with the coils.

I will build myself a square wave generator up to around 20 Mhz
and see where the resonances are with my ferrite transformer
and a few other ferrite cores I still have laying around.

Regards, Stefan.

In this configuration, shorting L1 will reduce the amount of energy to the LEDS. They will light but very dim.

In this configuration the two Al plates are forming a parasitic amplifier in between the generator and the circuit. They allow for a very low drive from the generator. Removal of any one plate will kill the effect.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #307 on: October 29, 2007, 01:38:23 AM »
So the signal generator
was always running in the background ?

Also in this figure 14 case ?


(http://67.76.235.52/images/ce7cir01.gif)

What did energize the coil-core  combination then ?

Just some 60 Hz "noise" from the ground wire ?

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #308 on: October 29, 2007, 01:48:12 AM »
So the signal generator
was always running in the background ?

Also in this figure 14 case ?


(http://67.76.235.52/images/ce7cir01.gif)

What did energize the coil-core  combination then ?

Just some 60 Hz "noise" from the ground wire ?

Getting somewhat concerned about what you do not understand, or do not want to. Where in this diagram do you see a parasitic plate or a signal generator.
Please stop trying to change or put works in my mouth because I will not just jump to the end.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #309 on: October 29, 2007, 02:19:19 AM »
Thank you Dr. Stiffler and Stefan for your replies.

Bill

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #310 on: October 29, 2007, 03:00:59 AM »
@RStiffler

I'm still having a hard time with lighting anything more than one LED and even one does not shine as bright. I have modified my mock-up function generator to be able to fine tune the frequency, so with that I found another resonant frequency for me at 8.59MHz where the LED lights up but not as bright as at 10.07MHz. Still looking for the third resonant frequency but I'm afraid that without a real function generator I will not be able to get there.

So in the mean time I have built your oscillator from Fig: PL01 at the bottom of the page, figured let's see what kind of a wave it produces and at what frequency. Turns out on my scope it looks like a sawtooth slow rise sharp fall at around 6.96MHz.

What I'm wondering about is how did you make it so that it tunes to your exact resonant frequency, because I might as well use this circuit to tune mine in?

Thanks again.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #311 on: October 29, 2007, 03:48:59 AM »
@RStiffler,

Interestingly enough I have hooked up my hand held frequency counter to the PL01 circuit, and it shows ~7.179913MHz before the 400pf capacitor, and ~5.178899MHz after it.

So my fluke scope isn't as accurate as I'd hope since it missed by 220KHz, but that's beside the point, what bugs me is how come the frequency is below 10MHz and yet it is a best resonant one for that circuit?
« Last Edit: October 29, 2007, 04:11:51 AM by amigo »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #312 on: October 29, 2007, 04:47:06 AM »
@RStiffler

Alright, I'm lost now. :)

I got the PL01 circuit built (just the oscillator) and thought: I'll plug my core in and see what happens, worst case nothing does. Lo and behold the LED lights up pretty bright, so I plug in two more and the brightness diminishes but they are still lit. :o

Why is this happening, if the circuit was tuned to your cores and not mine? Is it because it appears to be auto-tuning into the resonant frequency for the circuit it is connected to?

It does not light the LEDs bright here and I cannot drive more than couple of, or they will not light up at all (tried 10 which was too many). I guess I'm still missing something...

Thanks!

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #313 on: October 29, 2007, 10:00:08 AM »
Tesla's experiment from Colorado Spring has a problem with good grounding, and he put lot of water soaking to overcome it for make good ground point. If some HF oscillator was work on one side, this signal was going through this line hundred of meters (lot of device has build HF oscillator inside, HF lump for example). When he switch on his HF transformer, every nail was making spark, and in one experiment he burn out lot of standard Edison bulb, without wire, on around 10 m of distance.
If some HF source is near, it will actuate your device. You can see on my web:  http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/02.html my investigation. I have receive energy in my house, but not when I go out. If some energy from inside of Earth exist (from thundering or something), it will be in less than diodes barrier signal form. Your coil can do Q=2PIf/R amplification, and overcome this diode-barrier problem.
Only with wire I have around 10 V in 5 minutes, and with 1 m2 plates I have 40 V, and good spark. Maybe transformer in my oven generate that energy, and it is only connect with one wire.
I think diodes without barriers (or mechanical rotating switching) will be important to receive that Earth energy.
I just want to help...
You need good grounding (and testing yours, which you use), and it must be only device which use it. Maybe some tree with nail inside, will be enough (just one of idea for nature grounding point). You can do it easy.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #314 on: October 29, 2007, 02:20:17 PM »
@amigo

You might want to communicated with me direct in order to save bandwidth here and then you can present your findings. I now see a number of things in your circuit that can be causing a problem. I will state a few here.

1) In a coil the things to consider are Inductance (L), Impedance (Z), Inductive Reactance (Xc), and any mutual inductance. In your circuit L1 is wrong. It may very well have an L similar to my specification but the physical structure is all wrong. The Xc must be much higher than what I use. You are so close, finish by doing a good L1.

2) You show three LEDS, what happens when you add a fourth and fifth?

3) Your oscillator PL01. This is of Colpitts design and two things again determine frequency, the coil in the collector and the two caps, from collector to emitter and emitter to ground. If the L is large in order to be the major determinate of frequency then the C's will be rather small and any temperature or parasitic capacity will change the frequency and the oscillator may become unstable.

4) Because the two caps in the oscillator are part of the equation to set the frequency, also the coupling cap and the capacity of the MSOFET are in parallel with these components. You may have to figure if you need to reduce the value of the coupling cap. Use 1/(2*pi*f*C) to get reactance. I would not want much more than Xc=100.