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Author Topic: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler  (Read 1279279 times)

Offline gyulasun

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #195 on: October 24, 2007, 12:36:45 AM »
Could someone teach me about charge/discharge speed of a capacitor?


Hi,

Here is an explanation on your question:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capchg.html    or see this:

http://www.tpub.com/neets/book2/3d.htm

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #196 on: October 24, 2007, 01:56:22 AM »

I measured (my) coil with LCR meter at 1kHz -  has about 400uH - but it
has less winding than the "original".

To measure the self resonance frequency - I operated the primary coil (9 turns)
with my siggen from 1-20MHz.
I connected the tip of my osc probe to one end of the AM coil. (....)
There are regularly resonances with 120% nominal amplitude every 1.5Mhz (est.)
and a 300% resonance overshoot around 10MHz.

I agree with your estimates for the values at 10 Mhz - to measure this exactly - I
have to repair my other LC meter which is capable of measuring even with 10MHz
frequency ...

Hi Fritz,  ok, thanks for your answer, I understand and agree most but please consider the oscilloscope probe has got a 13-15pF loading capacitance in parallel with its 10MegaOhm input resistance and that self capacitance significantly detunes the ferrite rod coil, right?  The best way to measure the self  resonance frequency would be to use a Grid Dip Meter (GDO for short) you surely know this calibrated LC oscillator that shows energy transfer to a passive tank circuit when it is near or at the resonant frequency of the passive tank.

Thanks, Gyula

mmmh, I didn?t connect the scope ground lead -
checked that, if I remove the tip slightly - is still in resonance.
I could measure it with my analyzer, well, know GDOs, but don?t
have one.
rgds.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #197 on: October 24, 2007, 02:10:26 AM »
Circuit #7 Photo:

I would be highly interested what happens if there is only
a single ground wire going to the al shield and to the circuit.
Right now there are 2 grounds - and if you keep in mind that
we have 18 MHz - these 2 grounds have not the same potential.

....

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #198 on: October 24, 2007, 02:52:06 AM »

(This is the point why birds can sit on high voltage wires - and humans cannot)
(The capacity of a bird to ground is very low - evolutionary ???;-))darwin?)
 
rgds.

Man on a wire ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcalasGr_uk

This man is wearing feather-alike clothes, the wire is not that with
the real high voltage (look at the insulators).
I wont do that naked ;-)))
rgds.

Feather-like clothes lower the human body's capacitance?  This thread is really bringing out the (bird) brains, I guess.  Maybe Dr. Stiffler is wearing special feather-unlike-clothes?  I've heard some non-scientific arguments in my day, but this one is close to taking the cake!

Linda

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #199 on: October 24, 2007, 02:56:09 AM »

@ Fritz - Hey in one of the pictures with the crowbar (When I expand it to full size) where you are holding the LEDS, I noticed that the primary is not connected at either end but the signal is going through the secondary to the LEDS in your fingers. How is that a replication of the Stiffler circuit since Stiffler has an open end on one coil? Are you just trying to show that you can hold an LED and get it to light by touching the right power source and your body being a good impedance match? You mentioned the importance of impedance matching - Just curious.

Also, that ebay site sells variable capacitors  - do you think that would be helpful in tuning? Stiffler used a silver dipped mica cap. Do caps have reactance speeds?

The reason I ask is in the Meyer circuit, US patent 4798661, Meyer describes what looks like an air plate capacitor submerged in distilled water. Now why would someone go though the hassle of creating that if a simple off the shelf capacitor will work? Could someone teach me about charge/discharge speed of a capacitor?

Sure electricity goes through water quite fast but the charge or bond angle change is about 1mm per second. I am trying to take what I learn from this in regards to distributive capacitance on a transmission line and apply it to Meyer circuit since I keep seeing and hearing similar terms.

Glad to see this forum go back to the CE circuit too.

Well - if you look at the name of the picture "coil as conductor" -
this is NO stiffler replica NOR impedance matching.
It?s just a picture with the leds, the ground, ambient ground from my finger.
(and the coil as connection); quite happy that somebody caught me ;-)
I don?t have the needed material so far (toy radio am coil) as well as I
don?t have the same type of breadboard/plate shield assembly.

I expect that the original circuit catches the energy in the same way I
do it here - with the difference that the coil + parasitary capacitors form
a parallel LC circuit wich oscillates with 18MHz. This is the reason why
the energy can be transfered using the parasitary capacitors - in my case
I have 50 Hz - no way to do it "one wire". Additional the impedance is matched
which gives this high output.

As long as the stuff is build on this breadboard - its quite difficult to judge,
where you have to put in the variable capacitor. Some of this stuff is forming
an LC circuit - if you put the cap in parallel to that you can of course change
the resonant frequency.

Almost any adjustable cap is designed for rf operation (at least for the frequencies
used here). There are ceramic and foil based trimmers  with up to 50pf maximum
capacity.

The resonance frequency is calculated by f = 1/(2*pi*root(L*C))
f in Hz, L in Henry and C in Farad.
In case you put an extra C in parallel Cnew = C+Cadded

I think that Meyer uses this C submerged in water to get somehow
a C with dielectric behaviour as a C in water. This C is used in a setup
where water is treated by use of electrodes - another capacitor of course.
If one C changes its properties (water temperature or whatever) the other
C will experience the same effect... does this make some sense to you ?
If you would need an adjustable C which should be tuned in a controlling
loop - this would be the easiest sollution - instead of measuring something
and tune a capacitor with motor or whatever.

Another idea is - that Meyer was so used to water caps as Keely to resonators;-)))
a waterhead.
Why taking a traditional cap if there is so much water around ?

The last idea - and maybe thats the reason - that tuneable caps are for rf and not
for high energy pulsed designs.

rgds.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #200 on: October 24, 2007, 03:08:10 AM »
Duh, I'm sorry I was unintentionally feeding the troll here, while not being aware that doc stiffler had expanded his experiment page and added detailed photos and more information.

I appologize to the rest of the readers of this thread if they found my remarks about lack of clarity inappropriate, I should've checked doc stiffler's page first. :)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #201 on: October 24, 2007, 03:15:26 AM »

(This is the point why birds can sit on high voltage wires - and humans cannot)
(The capacity of a bird to ground is very low - evolutionary ???;-))darwin?)
 
rgds.

Man on a wire ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcalasGr_uk

This man is wearing feather-alike clothes, the wire is not that with
the real high voltage (look at the insulators).
I wont do that naked ;-)))
rgds.

Feather-like clothes lower the human body's capacitance?  This thread is really bringing out the (bird) brains, I guess.  Maybe Dr. Stiffler is wearing special feather-unlike-clothes?  I've heard some non-scientific arguments in my day, but this one is close to taking the cake!

Linda

If you have a human in an overall with lets say 15 layers of isolator-conductive shield-isolator..
then this lowers or even zeroes (if faraday cage alike) the amount of polarization current which effects the human being (his skin)
in a "human capacitor" setup.

I expect that the reduced size of skin in combination with feathers reduces the polarization
current of bird skin .....

Do I really get the cake ?? very hungry.

rgds.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #202 on: October 24, 2007, 06:04:38 AM »
Yes...chocolate or angel food?  Of course, either one you choose will be covered with bird-feathers!

Linda

Seriously...I find this thread fascinating, but only because of Dr. Stiffler's experiments which I do not pretend to understand.  Too many variables and unknowns and the setup keeps changing.  It is certainly interesting but it's too helter-skelter and uncontrolled for me to start really learning anything very solid yet.  I await the settling down of this batch of experiments to a basis that demonstrates a clear principal.  If that has happened already, my bird-brain must have missed it!

Linda

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #203 on: October 24, 2007, 08:50:58 AM »
*Removed* by RStiffler
« Last Edit: April 15, 2008, 09:02:14 PM by RStiffler »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #204 on: October 24, 2007, 12:16:46 PM »
I figured it out! I figured it out! Nener nener nener! and two of Stifflers own scope shots prove it! Ha! Take that you dogs!

Email me Fritz, you were the closest of all of them. Keep it to yourself, feed these "bird brains" nothing. If you can't keep it to yourself, don't email me.

Ha! You lose trolls!


@Freenrg4me

I sincerely hope you are joking.

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #205 on: October 24, 2007, 12:55:25 PM »
My web pages has thoughts about Tesla's transmitter.
http://free-ri.htnet.hr/Branko/07.html
I try understand this (Stiffler) circuit.
Near his places is 50 kW AM station.
In basic (from his pages), this circuit is dipole, and LED's are on one side of that dipole (two diode with its capacity is rectifier of this left/right dipole flow).
When some Tesla's style transmitter transform energy, it has two output frequency. Second can be very high, and depend about k (coupling coefficient). It is important, because it is not well know phenomena.

If here is some 'free energy', it's source could be human or natural phenomena. But it is only HF receiver.
Ground is important with ionosphere, and it is path for all that energy.
Tesla was talking about radiant part in his transmitter, and ground current. His device is optimize for 90% of ground current. Places for antenna is irrelevant (horizontal or vertical). It is just capacity.
Basic Tesla's receiver are two grounding plates (on some distance) with mechanical rotating rectifier. Here is self induction with high Q, which make possible build rectifier with diode.

I have some new equation for mathematical understanding Tesla's work.

Good luck for seeking on 'free energy'.
Stiffler has found interesting receiver...
Maybe replacement for Tesla's mechanical rotation receiver switch?
All that thundering around Earth, has ground currents, and who knows, maybe here is some natural source, but that 50 kW AM is my concern.

« Last Edit: October 24, 2007, 02:26:13 PM by Branko »

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #206 on: October 24, 2007, 03:37:17 PM »
@ Branko

Buzzer sound Buzzzz  - Wrong answer Branko, please try again. :-)

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #207 on: October 24, 2007, 03:40:26 PM »
@ AhuraMazda What? You didn't want it figured out? It's hardly the kind of thing I would joke about. It was patented back in the early 90's

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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #208 on: October 24, 2007, 06:33:45 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler
« Reply #209 on: October 24, 2007, 06:50:23 PM »
@Elvis!
Thanks. That was very good deduction. If you have replicated Dr S's circuit, you can easily prove your finding by using a black and white film and holding it near your BAFE and see if the film got exposed. Of course you may have a giga counter in which case problem solved.

Long time ago, Dr Stiffler gave me the cold shoulder. He said he would not work with any one who did not have at least 50K worth of test gear!
I am still waiting for my cores and have bought a new scope just for the occasion!

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mmcgen.htm


 

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