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Author Topic: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.  (Read 150774 times)

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #45 on: October 25, 2007, 06:08:13 PM »
The Wankel: The little amount of energy you put in, will be at most the little amount of energy you get out. No matter the complexity, simplicity, or arrangment of electromagnets etc. The energy you put in will be the most you'll get out. The Wankel design is nothing more than a electromotor - in fact it seems to work pretty much like a regular brushless motor. But maybe overunity is not the goal?

Vidar

By this statement I assume you believe Paul Sprain was lying his ass of when he reported his wankel
to deliver 11544 watts output at merely 200 watts in?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2648.msg38778#msg38778

On the new machine we are getting 222 Nm at 52 radians. The maximum I can put
into the Electro-Magnet is 110 volts at 9 amps firing 33 times a second.
As you can see the input is nowhere near what the output power is.
(added by admin: Output is a huge 12.5 KWatts, while the input is just 200 Watts only !)
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« Reply #46 on: October 25, 2007, 10:32:23 PM »
The Wankel: The little amount of energy you put in, will be at most the little amount of energy you get out
Have you ever designed and built a Wankel motor of your own?
It seems like your just guessing here.

No matter the complexity, simplicity, or arrangment of electromagnets etc. The energy you put in will be the most you'll get out.
Most of the torque is created by the natural twisting force of the neo magnets, not by the electro magnets.
So how can you determine that I'll only get out what I put in?

The Wankel design is nothing more than a electromotor - in fact it seems to work pretty much like a regular brushless motor.
I have designed a couple of BLDC motors and also their controllers in my career. And I see no resemblence to a regular motor whatsoever.
In a regular motor all of the torque is created by the electro magnets continuously working towards the permanent magnets. Push and pull.
And when the motor increases in speed it will output Back Voltage. When the Back Voltage has reached the same level as the working
voltage that is feed to the motor it stops to accelerate. This is the regular motors rated RPM level.
When you load the regular electric motor you will lower the RPM and the Back Voltage vill decrease as well.
The difference in applied voltage and the generated Back Voltage divided by the internal resistance of the motor equals the current going into the motor.
Simply Ohms law. This is why a regular motor consumes more current when loaded harder.
I can tell you for sure that a Wankel does not operate in this way at all. You better study regular motors before comparing those two motor types.
No offense towards you. I just wanted to explain how it really works.

But maybe overunity is not the goal?
Of course OU is the goal. Otherwise I would not spend time at this forum!
1.
Sometimes it is quite easy to predict the sum of 2 + 2.

2.
The torque made by the neos will for sure make some work over a sertain distance. However, they are not turned off at any time, and will allways affect how the motor will run. You can make electromagnets to add the energy to overcome the sticky point, but the sticky point will be there allways. Let's say that you can reduce, or even equalize the sticky point, but these actions require more or less energy to do. The more energy you put in, the weaker the sticky point is, the more powerful the engine will be. Nothing spooky with that. It is just an ordernary electro motor.

As you encrease power to weaken sticky points, the less torque you will achieve by the permanent magnets as well. You see, the sticky point is the reason why you have torque in the first place. The torque equalize just when the magnets has got to rest at the sticky point. However, the sticky point must be turned off while the rotor is in motion and is suppose to pass it - just not to get stucked there forever. An electro magnet can do that. Nevertheless, the output power of the motor will be the same or less than the power you put into the electromagnets.

3.
Thanks for the explanation. I do however still see similarities between the Wankel and the brushless motor. The main difference, electronically, is to me the time of applied current to the electromagnet to avoid the sticky points. Where the similarities stops seems to me to be the difference in how the electromagnet affects the rotor magnets. In the wankel you make the permanent magnets do most of the job, at least how I have understood the concept, and let an electromagnet take care of the short period of sticky point. Well, this period is not very short afterall. If you turn off the electromagnet right after the rotormagnet has passed the sticky point, the rotor magnet will deaccelerate due to counterforce made by the magnetism behind it - when there is no electromagnet to take care of this magnetism anymore. Due to this little problem the rotormagnet will not have the expected speed you are hoping for - without this problem, you would for sure have more output than input.
Well, then the magnet will speed up a little bit when approaching the next sticky point. The short time of applied energy through the electromagnet will again let the rotormagnet pass, but the built up acceleration, will again deaccelerate when the electromagnet is turned off, before the rotormagnet takes another turn. Little energy in, and little, or less, energy out.

4. If OU is the goal, the Wankel will in my opinion not be the solution.

Vidar

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« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2007, 10:45:23 PM »
The Wankel: The little amount of energy you put in, will be at most the little amount of energy you get out. No matter the complexity, simplicity, or arrangment of electromagnets etc. The energy you put in will be the most you'll get out. The Wankel design is nothing more than a electromotor - in fact it seems to work pretty much like a regular brushless motor. But maybe overunity is not the goal?

Vidar

By this statement I assume you believe Paul Sprain was lying his ass of when he reported his wankel
to deliver 11544 watts output at merely 200 watts in?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2648.msg38778#msg38778

On the new machine we are getting 222 Nm at 52 radians. The maximum I can put
into the Electro-Magnet is 110 volts at 9 amps firing 33 times a second.
As you can see the input is nowhere near what the output power is.
(added by admin: Output is a huge 12.5 KWatts, while the input is just 200 Watts only !)
Paul
1. If this is true, Paul Sprain should be dead by now

2. If this is true, the world should knew it by now

3. No, I do not believe Paul is lying. He just hasn't done his calculations right. It is no problem to achieve more power out than you put in, but not for longer time than a fraction of the total loop. Test results do often look promising, but one also very often tries to neglect the rest of the loop - or just forgets it in all the excitements. I believe it is as simple as that. Maybe I'm a little arrogant when saying this, but this is my truly opinion on the subject.

Vidar

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
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« Reply #48 on: October 25, 2007, 11:05:34 PM »
I dont believe in conspiracy theories, like getting mr Sprain killed just because hes got OU. No way.
Just listen to Mark Dansie, a member of NEC, that have been around for a while investigating many new power
sources and looking for OU proof. He has never encountered any conspiracy against new power inventions.
On the contrary, all new power findings, OU or not, have always been appreciated and well founded.
It's people like you and me that invent the conspiracy theories, but there are really none.
Don't you think e.g USA would love to get their hands on a new great and cheap power source so they
could get rid of their oil dependence. Of course they would. Anything else is just imaginations of peoples minds.
You should take into account that every year thousands of billions of dollars is invested into new energy development
like fission power, fusion power, solar power, wind power, wave power, water power and so on.
Where's the logic in killing an inventer that can provide another power solution, besides of of those I just mentioned.
You are so wrong, my friend...so very wrong...
« Last Edit: October 26, 2007, 07:25:07 PM by Honk »

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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2007, 11:28:33 PM »
1.
Sometimes it is quite easy to predict the sum of 2 + 2.

2.
The torque made by the neos will for sure make some work over a sertain distance. However, they are not turned off at any time, and will allways affect how the motor will run. You can make electromagnets to add the energy to overcome the sticky point, but the sticky point will be there allways. Let's say that you can reduce, or even equalize the sticky point, but these actions require more or less energy to do. The more energy you put in, the weaker the sticky point is, the more powerful the engine will be. Nothing spooky with that. It is just an ordernary electro motor.

As you encrease power to weaken sticky points, the less torque you will achieve by the permanent magnets as well. You see, the sticky point is the reason why you have torque in the first place. The torque equalize just when the magnets has got to rest at the sticky point. However, the sticky point must be turned off while the rotor is in motion and is suppose to pass it - just not to get stucked there forever. An electro magnet can do that. Nevertheless, the output power of the motor will be the same or less than the power you put into the electromagnets.

3.
Thanks for the explanation. I do however still see similarities between the Wankel and the brushless motor. The main difference, electronically, is to me the time of applied current to the electromagnet to avoid the sticky points. Where the similarities stops seems to me to be the difference in how the electromagnet affects the rotor magnets. In the wankel you make the permanent magnets do most of the job, at least how I have understood the concept, and let an electromagnet take care of the short period of sticky point. Well, this period is not very short afterall. If you turn off the electromagnet right after the rotormagnet has passed the sticky point, the rotor magnet will deaccelerate due to counterforce made by the magnetism behind it - when there is no electromagnet to take care of this magnetism anymore. Due to this little problem the rotormagnet will not have the expected speed you are hoping for - without this problem, you would for sure have more output than input.
Well, then the magnet will speed up a little bit when approaching the next sticky point. The short time of applied energy through the electromagnet will again let the rotormagnet pass, but the built up acceleration, will again deaccelerate when the electromagnet is turned off, before the rotormagnet takes another turn. Little energy in, and little, or less, energy out.

4. If OU is the goal, the Wankel will in my opinion not be the solution.

Vidar

1) Let's see the final outcome. Perhaps 2 + unknown factor = 6 this time.

2) I guess you haven't heard of overlapping magnetic fields. They will let the rotor pass without loosing momentum by the sticky spot.
    When the rotor magnet is next to the electromagnet it's activated to attract the rotor magnet away from the stator sticky spot ending.
    When the rotor is passing the electromagnet area the controller will flip fields and repel the magnet away.
    So there is no deacceleration due to any counterforce made by the magnetism behind it. It's pure repel. And this is how Paul does it.
    Except for the flipping of fields. That's my idea. And I have developed a controller capable of doing this in less than 200uS.
    And the power required by the electro magnets is minimised by using a Supermalloy core.

3) I repeat. There is no similarities between the wankel and a regular electric motor.
    The regular motor does not have any powerful coasting at all. All movement is accomplished by the applied electricity.


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« Reply #50 on: October 26, 2007, 01:37:19 PM »
Hi Honk,

Just an idea... But maybe you could try to use a Hilden-brand type valve in your Wankel, instead of a simple electromagnet... It would be more efficient, no?

Well, yes you can't reverse the field polarity to do a push & pull on the same valve, but think about... you can redesign the thing a little, place two valves there, and switch off the pulling valve at them moment when you switch in the pushing one... ;)

Sure you can do that, and thought about it already.

Good luck with your design!

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« Reply #51 on: October 26, 2007, 08:20:04 PM »
1.
Sometimes it is quite easy to predict the sum of 2 + 2.

2.
The torque made by the neos will for sure make some work over a sertain distance. However, they are not turned off at any time, and will allways affect how the motor will run. You can make electromagnets to add the energy to overcome the sticky point, but the sticky point will be there allways. Let's say that you can reduce, or even equalize the sticky point, but these actions require more or less energy to do. The more energy you put in, the weaker the sticky point is, the more powerful the engine will be. Nothing spooky with that. It is just an ordernary electro motor.

As you encrease power to weaken sticky points, the less torque you will achieve by the permanent magnets as well. You see, the sticky point is the reason why you have torque in the first place. The torque equalize just when the magnets has got to rest at the sticky point. However, the sticky point must be turned off while the rotor is in motion and is suppose to pass it - just not to get stucked there forever. An electro magnet can do that. Nevertheless, the output power of the motor will be the same or less than the power you put into the electromagnets.

3.
Thanks for the explanation. I do however still see similarities between the Wankel and the brushless motor. The main difference, electronically, is to me the time of applied current to the electromagnet to avoid the sticky points. Where the similarities stops seems to me to be the difference in how the electromagnet affects the rotor magnets. In the wankel you make the permanent magnets do most of the job, at least how I have understood the concept, and let an electromagnet take care of the short period of sticky point. Well, this period is not very short afterall. If you turn off the electromagnet right after the rotormagnet has passed the sticky point, the rotor magnet will deaccelerate due to counterforce made by the magnetism behind it - when there is no electromagnet to take care of this magnetism anymore. Due to this little problem the rotormagnet will not have the expected speed you are hoping for - without this problem, you would for sure have more output than input.
Well, then the magnet will speed up a little bit when approaching the next sticky point. The short time of applied energy through the electromagnet will again let the rotormagnet pass, but the built up acceleration, will again deaccelerate when the electromagnet is turned off, before the rotormagnet takes another turn. Little energy in, and little, or less, energy out.

4. If OU is the goal, the Wankel will in my opinion not be the solution.

Vidar

1) Let's see the final outcome. Perhaps 2 + unknown factor = 6 this time.

2) I guess you haven't heard of overlapping magnetic fields. They will let the rotor pass without loosing momentum by the sticky spot.
    When the rotor magnet is next to the electromagnet it's activated to attract the rotor magnet away from the stator sticky spot ending.
    When the rotor is passing the electromagnet area the controller will flip fields and repel the magnet away.
    So there is no deacceleration due to any counterforce made by the magnetism behind it. It's pure repel. And this is how Paul does it.
    Except for the flipping of fields. That's my idea. And I have developed a controller capable of doing this in less than 200uS.
    And the power required by the electro magnets is minimised by using a Supermalloy core.

3) I repeat. There is no similarities between the wankel and a regular electric motor.
    The regular motor does not have any powerful coasting at all. All movement is accomplished by the applied electricity.


I'll quote in capital letters just to easier differ between the quote and the comments - and not because I talk loud :)

Let's see the final outcome. Perhaps 2 + unknown factor = 6 this time. UNKNOWN FACTOR IS PROBABLY = 4 ;D

I guess you haven't heard of overlapping magnetic fields. NO

They will let the rotor pass without loosing momentum by the sticky spot. THEN THERE IS NO STICKY SPOT AFTERALL?

When the rotor magnet is next to the electromagnet it's activated (I ASSUME THE ELECTROMAGNET IS ACTIVATED?) to attract the rotor magnet away from the stator sticky spot ending.

When the rotor is passing the electromagnet area the controller will flip fields and repel the magnet away. IN THIS PART, THE MOTOR SEEMS TO WORK AS A REGULAR ELECTROMOTOR. FIRST ATREACTING THE ROTOR, THEN PUSHES IT AWAY.

So there is no deacceleration due to any counterforce made by the magnetism behind it. It's pure repel. And this is how Paul does it. OK

Except for the flipping of fields. That's my idea. And I have developed a controller capable of doing this in less than 200uS. IT TAKES 200uS TO SWAP POLARITY? ANYWAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS TIME IS IMPORTANT. IF IT IS, I ASSUME THE DESIRED TIME SHOULD BE ZERO?

And the power required by the electro magnets is minimised by using a Supermalloy core. THESE CORES SHOULD DO THE JOB. THEY ARE EXCELLENT AS THE PERMEABILITY IS VERY HIGH, AND I BELIEVE THE RESISTIVITY IS AROUND 5-6 nΩ?CM2/CM OR SO.

I repeat. There is no similarities between the wankel and a regular electric motor. OK. I'LL ACCEPT THAT NOW.
The regular motor does not have any powerful coasting at all. All movement is accomplished by the applied electricity. YES, TRUE. HOWEVER, BRUSHLESS MOTORS WITH NEOMAGNETS IN THE ROTOR IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL. MY MODEL AIRPLAIN IS ACCELERATED INTO 100MPH+ IN NO TIME, EVEN THE MOTOR IS VERY SMALL AND THE PLANE IS CONSIDERABLY BIG.

MY FINAL QUESTION: DO YOUR WANKEL WORK, AND WILL IT BE EASY TO MODIFY IT TO MAKE IT SMALLER AND STRONGER?


Br.

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« Reply #52 on: October 26, 2007, 10:10:08 PM »
I'll quote in capital letters just to easier differ between the quote and the comments - and not because I talk loud :)
I'll use blue letters instead.  8)

Let's see the final outcome. Perhaps 2 + unknown factor = 6 this time. UNKNOWN FACTOR IS PROBABLY = 4 ;D
Perhaps, I can't tell yet. This is why I have to build the Wankel to test whether there is any OU or not.

They will let the rotor pass without loosing momentum by the sticky spot. THEN THERE IS NO STICKY SPOT AFTERALL?
There is a sticky spot at the narrow end, but the sticky spot is shifted into the area of the activated electro magnet.
The rotor does not stop at the permanent magnets sticky spot, it continues to the artificial sticky spot, being the electro magnet.
This gives me the opportunity to convert the sticky spot into a repelling spot, just like an ordinary motor, for a very short while.
When a repel force is applied onto the magnetic flux of the rotor, the back pull is cancelled out and the rotor can pass freely almost without braking.
The rest of the movement is entirely created by the spiral force acting on the rotor magnets when being outside the electro magnet area.

When the rotor magnet is next to the electromagnet it's activated (I ASSUME THE ELECTROMAGNET IS ACTIVATED?) to attract the rotor
magnet away from the stator sticky spot ending.
Yes, wrong of me. It's the electro magnet being activated. I should have checked my spelling more thoroughly.

When the rotor is passing the electromagnet area the controller will flip fields and repel the magnet away.
IN THIS PART, THE MOTOR SEEMS TO WORK AS A REGULAR ELECTROMOTOR. FIRST ATTRACTING THE ROTOR,
THEN PUSHES IT AWAY.
Yes, you are right, just like an ordinary motor, but just for 15% of the total movement through the loop.
The rest of the loop is magnetic force without any energy being added.

Except for the flipping of fields. That's my idea. And I have developed a controller capable of doing this in less than 200uS.
IT TAKES 200uS TO SWAP POLARITY? ANYWAY, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS TIME IS IMPORTANT.
IF IT IS, I ASSUME THE DESIRED TIME SHOULD BE ZERO?
If you really knew anything about electronics, especially coils, you should know that they act opposite to a capacitor.
When you apply voltage to a coil while supervising the current, you will notice that the current rise is relatively fast at startup.
But it will slow down fast as time passes until the resistance of the coil finally limits the current flow. Now the coil is fully saturated.
It took a very long time. If your coil is a high inductance type, like 250mH, it will typically take more than 500mS until fully saturated.
You cannot use such a long delay inside a motor. But there is more to it than just that. You can speed up the coil by applying a higher voltage.
But the backdraw is highly increased power consumption when pumping it on and off at high speed when operating the coil at high voltage.
Simply put. When you want to lower the 500mS charge time you will have to run your coil at several hundreds volt to charge it fast enough.
And this translates into power waste. If the static current of a 2 ohm coil to reach 1 tesla is 2 amps, then imagine running the coil at
200V x 2 amps just to shorten the charge time. 400watts, that is a lot of power going into the coil. In static mode it just needed 2 x 2 = 4 watts.
This is where my Flux Booster will come in handy. It will allow a coil to be operated at high speed, with low delay, at almost static current.

And the power required by the electro magnets is minimised by using a Supermalloy core.
THESE CORES SHOULD DO THE JOB. THEY ARE EXCELLENT AS THE PERMEABILITY IS VERY HIGH, AND I BELIEVE
THE RESISTIVITY IS AROUND 5-6 nΩ?CM2/CM OR SO.
I have no information about the resistivity. I just know the material is the best when designing an electro magnet.
But Supermalloy is hard to get hold of. Yesterday I sent some enquiries to a couple of companies that trade Supermalloy.
I hope to have positive answers after this weekend.

I repeat. There is no similarities between the wankel and a regular electric motor. OK. I'LL ACCEPT THAT NOW.
Good.

The regular motor does not have any powerful coasting at all. All movement is accomplished by the applied electricity.
YES, TRUE. HOWEVER, BRUSHLESS MOTORS WITH NEOMAGNETS IN THE ROTOR IS EXTREMELY POWERFUL. MY MODEL AIRPLAIN
IS ACCELERATED INTO 100MPH+ IN NO TIME, EVEN THE MOTOR IS VERY SMALL AND THE PLANE IS CONSIDERABLY BIG.
Yes, you are totaly right about this. Neomagnets in a conventional electric motor will make wonders.
When a high 1.5T neomagnetic field is used in a motor, the back voltage is increased, and the number of  copper turns can be reduced to match
the desired RPM goal. This leads to much lower internal resistance, thus increasing the efficiency, up to more than 90%, sometimes 98%.
And the high flux field from neomagnets will also allow a smaller motor design with better torque at lower RPM:s, if desired.

MY FINAL QUESTION: DO YOUR WANKEL WORK, AND WILL IT BE EASY TO MODIFY IT TO MAKE IT SMALLER AND STRONGER?
I do hope it will work as good as I imagine it will. Once built, tested and learned, it might be possible to scale it in any direction.
But I don't think it can reach a higher power density than a regular electric motor, simply because the regular motor can be feed more
and more current to run it harder until it finally burns up. The Wankel is almost entirely dependent on the magnetic twist. It cannot be
forced to deliver more output by adding more current to the electro magnets. The Wankel is engineered to a specific output, so to speak.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2008, 01:09:23 PM by Honk »

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« Reply #53 on: October 27, 2007, 01:45:44 AM »
>The Wankel is almost entirely dependent on the magnetic twist. It cannot be
forced to deliver more output by adding more current to the electro magnets. The Wankel is engineered to a specific output, so to speak.<

Please correct me if this misses the point:

What happens when a load is applied? My guess is that the rotor will slow down relative to the load applied until the attraction of rotor, stator  and electro magnetic forces cannot overcome the load anymore. Then the rotor stalls. When the load is removed or lightened sufficiently, the rotor will accelerate again unless the rotor has stalled in the sticky position and the electro magnets are not able to supply enough attractive force for a restart. So the no load operation should also show the highest rpm.
Will the pulse speed and supplied current have to be adapted relative the speed of the
rotor , eg lower speed requiring more current for the electro magnets and adjusted timing for the field reversal?

Cheers


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« Reply #54 on: October 27, 2007, 02:15:51 AM »
Oh, and thanks for  more information on the coils and the high voltage trick
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With a much higher coil voltage, does the field also collaps faster ast the end of the pulse when current is removed?
Can this collapsing field energy then be captured ( in a capacitor) to be recycled or directly used for the repulsive part of the electromagnets cycle?
Is there a chance that the repulsive part of the cycle will weaken the rotor magnets and adjacent stator magnets?
Look forward to the answers. Thanx.

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« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2007, 03:57:04 AM »
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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #55 on: October 27, 2007, 03:57:04 AM »
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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #56 on: October 27, 2007, 10:32:32 AM »
>2) I guess you haven't heard of overlapping magnetic fields. They will let the rotor pass without loosing momentum by the sticky spot.<

Could someone please explain the workings of those overlapping fields?
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Is it correct that the magnets in the stator are stacked side by side N/S/N/S etc., standing up 80mm high?
You did  said the magnets are magnetized through their width, didn

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #57 on: October 27, 2007, 10:42:32 AM »
previous post was cut off.....

.....You did  said the magnets are magnetized through their width, didn

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2007, 11:46:23 AM »
The Wankel design is nothing more than a electromotor - in fact it seems to work pretty much like a regular brushless motor. But maybe overunity is not the goal?

Vidar

By this statement I assume you believe Paul Sprain was lying his ass of when he reported his wankel
to deliver 11544 watts output at merely 200 watts in?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2648.msg38778#msg38778
3. No, I do not believe Paul is lying. He just hasn't done his calculations right.

Ahhhh, so you GUESS Paul has not done his calculations right. Let me think.... guess vs calculations.....hummmmmm..... Paul's million+ investment and years of effort against anonymous guess....... lol???

I have the feeling I'm missing half the story here? What has Paul done to you to deserve this kind of treatment?

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Re: F.B.D.I.S.S.M - Flux.Boosted.Dual.Induction.Split.Spiral.Motor.
« Reply #59 on: October 27, 2007, 04:37:36 PM »
It may be helpful to understand the calculation better by converting 52 radians into revolutions.  52 radians is equal to 8.276057041 revolutions of the motor.  Then consider the Nm rating in relationship to the number of revolutions in order to calculate hp. ;)

 

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