....The secret it is to find (i think so) in the electron flow of the cathode.you refer to this:
the ether give an lot of RF Power over an spectrum of waves to the antenna, that give (as mix) an lot of nois.frequencies.
Pehaps that are or will be mixed with the waves outvoming
of the cathodes ot the tubes.
(I remember an electronic tube cirvuit wit 5R4 5U4 rectifier tubes from SM (that was for short tim to see in WEB. (5-6 years ago) in this page he found an unknow additinally power, that he could not explain, BUT so i have understand this circuit
he find an power because he use 2 transformers that have disparated anode and cathode circuit in two parts...
Offcause this circuit was deleted (i think so) very fast from the web. It MUST have some interesting details...
Sorry my english... but i think the information is better than an perfect english language
G Pese
you refer to this:
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I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
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YES BINGOElectrical oscillations without employment of electricity?
that was it. BUT NOT THE TEXT, that i seen With the ecactly circuit, within.
It was say´d exactly that he have found en EXTRA ENERGY betwenn the both secindry windings of two seoarated transformers (!) Ine that produce the 2x anodes-voltage, and anther that only transform the main supply to the 5 volts heater. I Know this tubes. I habe in fron of me and in my stocklist /in WEB).
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Possibly the radiation from cathode (barium)
produce very high frquencies and produce energy
that Tesla know to use them.
Pese
P.S.
Magnetic Amplifiers (Transductors)
i also worked with them, are not the solution for Tesla car,
BUT possibly that was GABRIEL KRON have found, and forbidden to publishing. ( G. Kron was Engineer from G.E,)
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?
"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."
http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?
"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."
http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm
Oscillation is an wrong explaining. possibly the "radiant" electrone lawines that is delivered from the cathode- emitted from BARIUM = radiant materials" produce "energy" with the resonating frequecies of barium material.Operating temperature Emission efficacy Specific emission
(nothih to do with vhf/uhf frequencies that can produced with
PC86, or microwaves (Klystrons), SM have found (amother way) and possibly not understand. Possibly it comes "nearby" to Tesla "unknow" invention
Pese
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www.alt-nrg.de/pppp
some german and engl.
alternatibe links, collected over years..
you refer to this:http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg174142#msg174142
*********************************************************** SM's words ***************
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg174142#msg174142
SM's words:
"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
Hans had posted this a few years back on another thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3691.0
Tate Power from the air
Tate Ambient Power Module. Joseph Tate Last Known Address 760 Waldo Point Sausalito Ca (4965) 415 331 8150 332 9918 U.S. Patent 4,628,299
This design converts radio frequency energy to power that can be usefully applied in power devices such as clocks,radios and smoke detectors.
This design makes use of a doubler, splitter and rectifier.
The device has been known to give 36 volt/9 watts.
This devices does away for the need for batteries by extracting energy from natural and man made radio waves.
THe device uses a coil made of the following design 479 turns of #22 wire on a 3" plastic tube, the coil should be loosely wound as a close wound coil tends to reduce power collection. One end should be connected to unit at antenna connection point and the other to an antenna of your choice .
Other coil types could be used in your experiments such as sliding induction coils that is inside one another and find the best position by moving them in different positions.
Other coil types can be found by referencing any good book on radio fundamentals. Check out the Telsa type coils as well.
Power could be also enhanced by placing a tin foil pyramid under the coil as this seems to also improve power.
The power produced also seems to improve near bridges,ships and any thing containing a great deal of metal.
A high antenna wire seems to improve the running of unit although a 7 foot whip antenna worked reasonably well too.
70L7Pese, I don't like to think I just wasted money buying some 70L7-GT tubes I was planning on experimenting with as I thought there might be something to look at with them (and I got a good deal on some). But after buying them I found some info that makes it perplexing how Tesla could have used this particular tube. There is a message thread on OU here about it as someone looked into it even deeper than I had. The problem is they GE, Raytheon and other tube makers did not even make this particular tube until years after Tesla was said to have used them in the Pierce Arrow electric car demo. So unless Tesla had some time travel machine or maybe an insider in a tube manufacturing company it seems unlikely he used this particular tube. This leads me to wonder if these are the correct number or if there was some 'data cleaning' done by the FBI or the PTB concerning the actual tube numbers.
it is an double system tube.
1 part ist Audio output pentode (to drive the loudspeacker,
the DIODE ist an one way rectifier to rectifie the 110volts ACc (MAINPOWER) TO (ABOUT 150VOLTS). So that was usual to use no Power transformers in radio receiver, so it was uses an 70 Volt heating filament.
70L7 need 70Volt 115L7 115Volt AC to heat up to becomes electron flow between cathode and anode of the tube.
(70 volts used in receivers if som other receiving tubes was added in serie to total 115volt) 115L7 was used in singel tubes amplifiers (phono ).
-I am born 1941 and working from 1950 beginnig 1950 in my fathers radio repair shop) So i know the technik my whole life on beginning..)
BUT WHY Tesla use 70volt burning filaments, IF it was also 12 volt types wit - als the others SAME caracteristics on the marked =!=!. I showed all european and us types !!
So another secret must be inckude-
Tesla have -sure- nit used 12 volt to invert that first ti 70 volts !!,
So the tubes was used colf (without heating=)
or undergliwed with only dark-red heating with 12 volts ???
So also you must understand that this tube habe only 2-3 watt powerdissipation, and can never power an motor. als 10 or ore underheatet /an underpowered( tubes cant work as an
amplifier ??
I have brocken my head over years for this ask.
I belive you are an an good way to find this out with your
cakculations. The secret it is to find (i think so) in the electron flow of the cathode.
the ether give an lot of RF Power over an spectrum of waves to the antenna, that give (as mix) an lot of nois.frequencies.
Pehaps that are or will be mixed with the waves outvoming
of the cathodes ot the tubes.
(I remember an electronic tube cirvuit wit 5R4 5U4 rectifier tubes from SM (that was for short tim to see in WEB. (5-6 years ago) in this page he found an unknow additinally power, that he could not explain, BUT so i have understand this circuit
he find an power because he use 2 transformers that have disparated anode and cathode circuit in two parts...
Offcause this circuit was deleted (i think so) very fast from the web. It MUST have some interesting details...
Sorry my english... but i think the information is better than an perfect english language
G Pese
Yes , this come more "nearby" that was i read , years ago. Not in overunity.
BUT it MUST be the following experiments,
because he "find interessantly things" ,
so his words (your found text)
Pese
Pese, I don't like to think I just wasted money buying some 70L7-GT tubes I was planning on experimenting with as I thought there might be something to look at with them (and I got a good deal on some).Sure , it is not waste.
The answer is 1 minute and forty seconds into this youtube video:Proximate being the key word. I don't get it. Maybe you can draw me a picture. Where did Tesla get the power to drive the coil and how did the plasma create kinetic energy to move the car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVSxvbiPg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVSxvbiPg0)
Ben Kraznow is an applied scientist. He shows how powerful external radio frequency waves can be used to induce current in a proximate plasma cleaner.
This does not mean Tesla was not a clever man. But it does mean...case solved.
You probably won't find anything in the Buffalo, NY newspapers. All of the info about the electric car came, one way or another, from Peter Salvo, Tesla's nephew. Some say he was, at that time, a lonely man looking for attention. Could be. Maybe not. but since there's really no evidence to back it up, it really comes down to belief. Personally, I was intrigued by the article that said the car could be used to power a home when not in use as a vehicle. That kind of points away from transmitted power because anyone could just as well put a receiver on the house as well. Tesla never tried to transmit power through the air as far as I know. His initial patents were to transmit power between balloons at 30,000 feet. It's right there in the patents if you look for it. He did, however, accomplish transmitting power through the ground in Colorado Springs. See his Colorado Springs notes of July 4, 1899. That's when he saw power being transmitted through the ground by lightning. He didn't immediately recognize what he was seeing because the next day's notes are talking about extracting hydrogen from the atmosphere for the balloons. We surely would have photos if he ever tried to maintain balloons at 30,000 feet. It would have been a major undertaking and I've never seen any photos of such. Somewhere along the line he realized that he could use the ground and do away with the balloons. That's what Wardenclyffe was about. When the July 4, 1899 notes are fresh in your mind picture lightning striking the ground at the same place every time and under controlled frequency and duration to set up standing waves. That's what Wardenclyffe was about.
But how do you power a moving car that requires an attachment to the ground? You don't.
Another man named Arthur Matthews, who claimed to be Tesla's son, also talked about an electric car with a new kind of "primary battery" that any 15 year old boy could replenish with new plates when the battery ran down. The problem with him, however, is that he claimed Tesla was from Venus so he's considered a whacko.
At any rate, nuclear batteries are in use today. They are used in applications where longevity is needed and no maintenance is possible or extremely difficult. The Russians used them to power lighthouses around the arctic circle. They are also what powers the Voyager space probes that were launched in the late 70's and are still transmitting data back today as they reach the edge of the solar system and start out into interstellar space.
But to understand Tesla's discovery you have to understand the times. There were no regulations on working with nuclear material until the 1950's - after it was proven that nuclear energy could be weaponized by the atomic bombs in Japan. So in the 1930's the field was wide open. What today is called "radiation" is what Tesla meant by "radiant energy". He didn't even coin the term. It was Michael Faraday that proposed "radiant matter" and Crooke's was the first one that I know of that used the term "radiant energy".
Also understand that when Tesla first mentioned "radiant energy" the atom was thought to be the indivisible minima of matter. Scientists of that day didn't just think that electrons didn't exist, but thought they couldn't exist. They also thought that all of those twinkles in the night sky were sun's just like ours. It wasn't until the 1930's that it was recognized that galaxies existed and that our sun is just one star in one galaxy that has roughly a hundred billion stars.
That's just a couple of examples of what I mean about understanding the times that Tesla worked in. A lot of what we take for granted today was unknown during Tesla's time.
See the attached file. It also has a lot of links to info the about these claims.
If you still want to pursue Tesla's electric car though news reports see if you can find a copy of John Ratzlaff's "Tesla Said". That is a 300 page compilation of articles and presentations by Tesla.
C. Earl Ammann’s Cosmic Electric Generator------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In 1918, while doing painting and decorating, I was hired to paper several bedrooms in a large two-story house. While at this work I went down to the back porch to pick up some materials. I happened to glance at the light meter and saw it was not moving.
I opened the fuse box and saw the main power fuses had been removed. It took only a minute to make sure the line had not been taped beyond the meter.
The only member of the family at home at the time was a young man in his early twenties. I asked him, “Earl, where do you get your juice? I noticed it does not come from the power lines”.
“Come along and I’ll show you”, he said. He led me up to the attic. He placed some steel bars on a work table and picked up a coil which looked like a loose coupler. After placing the coils on the steel rods he touched the opposite terminal. The bell rang with great force, and there was quite a spark, too.
I picked up the coils to make sure there was no contact with other appliances. I could see right through them. There was no battery inside. The bell rang just as vigorously. The wire was iron.
In the basement Earl had what he called an Activator Transformer, the size of two fists, which had to be within 10 miles of the radius of the generator coils. The activator was not in contact with any visible wires or appliances. It was activated by the electric currents which surge around the earth and activate the compass needle. By cutting into these currents, earl said, we can obtain unlimited power.
A year later Earl demonstrated his Cosmo Electric Generator in Denver. He had placed two copper spheres on the front fenders of his car in place of the headlights. From these copper spheres he obtained enough power to drive that old jalopy all over Denver as reported in the Denver Post at the time. [see Tesla’s Electric Car]
While Earl was demonstrating his invention all over the streets of Denver, the power had been cut off in the foothills. In spite of this, when he went to Washington DC shortly afterward to try to obtain a patent on his Cosmo Electric Generator, he found that charges had been filed against him claiming he had a device to steal power from the power lines.
K. H. Isselstein,
Spokane, WA
Denver Post (Monday, August 8, 1921)
Denver Man, C. Earl Ammann, Invents Generator That
Takes Electricity From Air and Propels Automobile Believes He has Apparatus that will Revolutionize Power & Lighting & Gives it a Test on Streets of City
Has an invention been made that will revolutionize the electrical world? Will the apparatus conceived by a Denver man light buildings, run automobiles, battleships, power plants by the unlimited supply of electricity in the air? Denver electrical experts say “yes”, and the young inventor, C. Earl Ammann, today, demonstrated his invention by attaching it to an old automobile and running it about the city.
An atmospheric generator is the name of Ammann’s apparatus. It is a compact, cylindrical object with two small brass spheres protruding from the top. Inside, Ammann says, is an arrangement of steel wires and minerals, so fixed as to draw the electricity from the air, condense it and utilize it for driving power.
The automobile which Ammann used for his demonstration Monday was the body and chassis of an electric vehicle. There are said to be no batteries in the car. It propelled itself with remarkable speed at the touch of the foot, climbed hills and glided through a maze of traffic under easy control.
Ammann, Careful To Conceal His Invention
When asked by skeptical persons if he had a storage battery concealed inside of the power cylinder, Ammann said:
“As badly as I would like to show the inside of my invention, I can’t, for I have not yet obtained the patent rights. It would be exposing the result of seven years of work to open the cylinder. I leave for Washington this week to obtain the patent rights. When I return I will gladly show everything and I can only say, wait until then and time will tell.
“I have bucked every law of the textbooks to perfect the invention. It appears on the order of the wireless telephone but it is decidedly different, except that the electricity is derived from the air. It will run anywhere except under water.
The automobile is only a simple test. The generator will light buildings, do away with steam turbines, and, in fact, propel any kind of engine motor”.
J. N. Davis, the proprietor of the Davis Electric Garage company, at 921 East 14th Avenue, and one of the oldest electrical men in Denver, made a thorough study of the generator.
Electrical Man Has Faith In It
“I believe that Mr. Ammann has at least made the invention which will revolutionize power”, Mr. Davis said. “Of course, we don’t know what is inside of the generator and the inventor would be foolish to show us. We have long known that certain minerals exist, which if properly arranged together, would furnish power. That, in substance, according to the blueprints of the invention, is the basis of the whole thing.
“If the generator has been perfected to the extent that it will propel an automobile, the rest of its work is assured. It will be the greatest invention of the age. The electricity obtained from the air, first passing through the generator, would be available for any use”. So impressed was Mr. Davis that he offered the use of his building for Mr. Ammann’s headquarters. Ammann, who is but 28 years old, came to Denver from Spokane, Washington. He is an electrical engineer and lives at the Argonaut Hotel.
I'm looking for the newspaper clippings of the day and they seem to have vanished. So any news stories of the day about long range electric cars that got their power via an aerial, will do :)
The Sydney Morning Herald, NSW, Friday 3 November 1933
COSMIC ENERGY
To Drive World Machinery.
INVENTOR’S CLAIM.
NEW YORK. NOV. 1.
Nikola Tesla, a well-known physicist and inventor, in a signed statement today, announced the discovery of a principle whereby power for driving the machinery of the world may be derived from the cosmic energy operating the universe.
The principle, which taps the source of power described as “everywhere present In unlimited quantities,” and which may be transmitted by wire or wireless from a central plant in any part of the globe, will, he says, eliminate the need for coal, oil, gas, or any other common fuels, and will soon be ready for use, and, while the present form will require central plants employing vast machinery, he popes to work out a plan for its use by Individuals.
Between 1919 and 1928 there was a lot of inventors who built electric car powered by cosmic energy.!
Hubbard,Amman,Perrigo - they all had electric car running on cosmic energy before 1930 with newspapers following their progress, so it was not surprise Tesla could do it also.
Read an article years ago about electric cars. They were out since 1838. The first car dealerships were electric cars. The History channel story on cars did not reflect that info and only said they tried to compete with combustion engines but didnt muster the speed. When really it was that people didnt like the loud noise and smoke from the fire breathing cars.
If there was electric cars that could harvest energy to run, then yeah the oil companies had to boost the gas cars above electrics before the free running cars became mainstream.
Mags
Yes electric cars and advancements in electric motors were rapid but they all fell short in one respect......energy source. It was only the invention of the lead acid cell in commercial quantities that made the electric car viable.
However lets not get carried away with speculation as to why they died out.
NONE....I repeat...NONE of the commercial electric cars were running on cosmic energy. They all used a battery of some kind. They didn't die out because of some terrible oil industry conspiracy.
1) Electric Cars were twice the expense of Fuel driven
2) Their weight and efficiency was terrible.
3) The invention of the electric starter in fuel cars made them more popular so people didn't have to break their backs in bad weather cranking them up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle)
Stick to the facts and we can find TRUTH of all sorts.
So what happened to Amman? As the story goes he was "off to Washington to file a patent". Did he get lost along the way? Murdered? What?
So far every one of these claims has been debunked and the inventors +98% were shown to be frauds. The math doesn't stack up.
There are some excellent methods of power utilization that are certainly not being used today but all that can be supported with good experimentation and replicable bench tests.
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3) Amman admitted to using 'minerals' in his device. Minerals = Fuel of some sort.
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Vinyasi,
Would my attached diagram of the "Amman" copper spheres be anywhere close to correct?
The photograph would suggest a single connection
Regarding:
IDK. . . looking at that photo right at the very top of the spheres there is SOMETHING (shield/cover) across the top that might have hidden a wire connection . . . Right under where you have the RED-ARROWS drawn.
I guess there is no way of knowing :-\
Source for 6" copper spheres:
https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Manufacturing-Spherical-Diameter-Buoyancy/dp/B008OMIWJ2/
It looks like they also offer a 5" size.