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Offline endlessoceans

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #60 on: May 02, 2017, 01:11:07 AM »
Hubbard,Amman,Perrigo - they all had electric car running on cosmic energy before 1930 with newspapers following their progress, so it was not surprise Tesla could do it also.

Such Vague claims Forest or whatever other name you go under

1)  Hubbard had access to radioactive materials of which there are well know principles to 'amplify ' electricity

2)  Perrigo was thoroughly investigated, resisted all attempts at looking at his car and was later found to be a fraud with a large 12v battery hidden under the seat of the vehicle

3)  Amman admitted to using 'minerals' in his device.   Minerals = Fuel of some sort.

4)  All in all unless there is further EVIDENCE that points otherwise, making big claims that all these devices "are the same' serves no purpose

All that is needs is iron and wire you say?  PLease by all means explain.

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« Reply #61 on: May 02, 2017, 01:22:37 AM »
Read an article years ago about electric cars. They were out since 1838.  The first car dealerships were electric cars. The History channel story on cars did not reflect that info and only said they tried to compete with combustion engines but didnt muster the speed.  When really it was that people didnt like the loud noise and smoke from the fire breathing cars. 

If there was electric cars that could harvest energy to run, then yeah the oil companies had to boost the gas cars above electrics before the free running cars became mainstream.

Mags

Yes electric cars and advancements in electric motors were rapid but they all fell short in one respect......energy source.  It was only the invention of the lead acid cell in commercial quantities that made the electric car viable.

However lets not get carried away with speculation as to why they died out. 

NONE....I repeat...NONE of the commercial electric cars were running on cosmic energy.  They all used a battery of some kind.  They didn't die out because of some terrible oil industry conspiracy. 

1)  Electric Cars were twice the expense of Fuel driven

2)  Their weight and efficiency was terrible.

3)  The invention of the electric starter in fuel cars made them more popular so people didn't have to break their backs in bad weather cranking them up. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle


Stick to the facts and we can find TRUTH of all sorts.

So what happened to Amman?  As the story goes he was "off to Washington to file a patent".  Did he get lost along the way?  Murdered?  What?

So far every one of these claims has been debunked and the inventors +98% were shown to be frauds.  The math doesn't stack up.

There are some excellent methods of power utilization that are certainly not being used today but all that can be supported with good experimentation and replicable bench tests.


Offline Magluvin

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #62 on: May 02, 2017, 07:09:24 AM »
Yes electric cars and advancements in electric motors were rapid but they all fell short in one respect......energy source.  It was only the invention of the lead acid cell in commercial quantities that made the electric car viable.

However lets not get carried away with speculation as to why they died out. 

NONE....I repeat...NONE of the commercial electric cars were running on cosmic energy.  They all used a battery of some kind.  They didn't die out because of some terrible oil industry conspiracy. 

1)  Electric Cars were twice the expense of Fuel driven

2)  Their weight and efficiency was terrible.

3)  The invention of the electric starter in fuel cars made them more popular so people didn't have to break their backs in bad weather cranking them up. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle


Stick to the facts and we can find TRUTH of all sorts.

So what happened to Amman?  As the story goes he was "off to Washington to file a patent".  Did he get lost along the way?  Murdered?  What?

So far every one of these claims has been debunked and the inventors +98% were shown to be frauds.  The math doesn't stack up.

There are some excellent methods of power utilization that are certainly not being used today but all that can be supported with good experimentation and replicable bench tests.


". Sadly, it is soon destroyed by railway workers who see it as a potential threat to their livelihood"

https://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/26/electric-car-history/


"This impressive performance so alarmed railway workers (who saw it as a threat to their jobs tending steam engines) that they destroyed Davidson’s devil machine, which he’d named "Galvani.""


http://www.caranddriver.com/flipbook/worth-the-watt-a-brief-history-of-the-electric-car-1830-to-present



Now if the railroad thought it was a threat to their industry, then the propaganda against electric, whether it was viable or not, by the oil companies Im sure was null in your viewpoint. ::)

Mags

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2021, 10:53:07 AM »
My little note on how Nikola Tesla's electric car could have been arranged.
https://rakatskiy.blogspot.com/2021/02/mystery-nikola-teslas-electric-car.html

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2022, 08:19:08 PM »
...snipped...

3)  Amman admitted to using 'minerals' in his device.   Minerals = Fuel of some sort.

...snipped...

The mineral may be finely powdered silica (silicon dioxide) or calcium ferrite not serving as a fuel but serving as a dielectric material for the noble gas inside of those two hollow copper spheres. The noble gas serves as a source for negative resistance. Together, they combine to function as a capacitor with negative resistance which is its own fuel source if these capacitors are precharged with any amount of voltage difference between their plates. In the case of the hollow copper spheres, there is only one physical plate, namely: the sphere, while the other plate is a virtual plate at the center of each sphere rooted in the complex number field. This is Eric Dollard's definition, and functional description, of Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter in that his transmitter was not grounded to Earth as its reference. It was grounded into counter-space which is the realm of imaginary numbers.

I have been studying this, and other devices, on various simulated representations and am pondering this one.

Anyone have any motivation, suggestions, on pursuing a test-build?

By the way,...

My information about our Sun comes from this website...

https://thesurfaceofthesun.com/

PS, To prevent our Sun from blowing up, our Solar System's set of planetary objects, plus non-planetary debris (such as: our Asteroid belt, etc), serves as an electrical load which "balances the load", namely: counterpoises the generation of apparent power by our Sun with the consumption of power outside of our Sun. This phrase of "balancing the load" is often used by electrical engineers whose responsibility entails managing the electric utility grid to prevent explosions (at transformers, etc) or other overvoltages from occurring and also prevent brownouts or blackouts. So, it's very important how much load resides in our Solar System orbiting our Sun versus how much total power, i.e.: real power plus reactive power, our Sun produces.

Offline truesearch

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2022, 09:51:53 PM »
Vinyasi,


Would my attached diagram of the "Amman" copper spheres be anywhere close to correct?

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2022, 10:12:11 PM »
Vinyasi,

Would my attached diagram of the "Amman" copper spheres be anywhere close to correct?

Good work!
Now, I realize my mistake.
The photograph would suggest a single connection, not a dual connection, to the remainder of the circuit.
The simulator requires two connections. I'm at a loss for this discrepancy, unless I speculate further...

To conform with C. Earl Ammann's description...

His power station was not electrically connected to any of its loads but broadcast its power to their loads received by a copper coil acting as a receiving antenna if this coil was adjacent to iron rods within 10? miles of his power station. (My guess is that he was using the existing power lines in our buildings and stretching across the landscape as conduit for his broadcast.) This may resolve the discrepancy if we assume that each copper rod, which extends below each sphere, is attached to the bottom of the sphere but not attached to anything else. It merely extends into the interior space of the barrel shaped coil (in the picture) creating a weak magnetic coupling between each copper rod and the barrel shaped winding. This winding appears to be made of iron wire (in the photograph) and is a weave winding of a single layer similar to Tesla's original extra coil on his original Tesla coil, not similar to modern day Tesla coils, but closer to Eric Dollard's design and others like himself.

Maybe this iron barrel shaped coil avoided the necessity of being in close proximity to iron rods since it is not wound with copper wire? So, maybe it satisfies both criteria of a copper winding in close proximity to iron magnetizable material all at once?

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2022, 10:30:31 PM »
Regarding:

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The photograph would suggest a single connection

IDK. . . looking at that photo right at the very top of the spheres there is SOMETHING (shield/cover) across the top that might have hidden a wire connection . . .  Right under where you have the RED-ARROWS drawn.

I guess there is no way of knowing  :-\

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #68 on: August 13, 2022, 12:05:25 AM »
Regarding:

IDK. . . looking at that photo right at the very top of the spheres there is SOMETHING (shield/cover) across the top that might have hidden a wire connection . . .  Right under where you have the RED-ARROWS drawn.

I guess there is no way of knowing  :-\

Correct. There is no way of knowing.
The story stipulates that the headlights of their EV were taken out and replaced by the copper spheres. So, maybe that lip was originally there intended to act as a small awning for the headlights?

Resimulating on the basis of: in Micro-Cap 12 on a 64-bit Windows 10, a single copper rod connecting both spheres and bent in the middle hidden from our view on the inside of the barrel shaped coil, and assuming inductances for everything, the outcome is less of a purely hyperbolic shaped, infinite gain. Rather, it increases in incremental steps to various levels of plateau before incrementing to the next plateau giving a nice triangular wave-form which I expect of overunity circuits since I've extensively seen this occur indicating the non-saturation of both voltage and of current. In other words, it has no upper limit of growth and is constructed of the simultaneous occurrence of a leading and a lagging current of a maximum of +/- 90 degrees for each ingredient. This makes it a generator, by passive sign convention, since these two ingredients possess a separation between them of one-half cycle of oscillation (180 degrees). But not any old generator. No. Specifically, a generator of reactive power since each contributing ingredient is exclusively +90 degrees or -90 degrees making its output exclusively reactive power of zero real watts with a spread between each type of reactance of 180 degrees. But since a simple resistor can convert any reactive power factor into a unity real power factor, then there is no excuse for not availing ourselves of abundant reactive power to satisfy the colloquialism of "free energy". An example, I like to use, is that of a boiler utilizing a resistive heating element to convert water into steam and drive a turbine to rotate a rotary electric generator which would justify the elimination of all nuclear reactors if, per chance, we should also want to do away with the production of all nuclear warheads.

Over at StackExchange, I've only managed to get someone to admit to the equivalency of nomenclature between "reactive power" and "free energy" on only two occasions. But on each occasion, the person kept adding the same caveat of: "But what's it good for? It's useless (i.e., reactive) power."

Yet, it is a fact that a significant part of the job description of an electrical engineer, especially those burdened with managing the utility grid, have to know how to convert from reactive to real or the other way around in order to "balance the grid" and prevent explosions or brownouts or blackouts.

I'm also assuming an inductance for the load of 10 Henrys which would be closer to the standards of today. Their EV of 1921 was probably much smaller since I am also assuming that their conversion of a standard, battery powered EV into a battery-free version was more closer to golf carts of today? Maybe Tesla's electric car of 1931 was closer to the power delivery of a Pierce-Arrow and to Tesla Motor's of today?

Link to simulation file...

https://ufile.io/ca9xwefy

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #69 on: August 13, 2022, 02:43:00 AM »
Another correction...
Since the copper tubing is singular and bent in the middle with a 180 degree bend (hidden from view tucked away inside of the barrel shaped coil), I modified the simulation to reflect this. Furthermore, don't ever take simulations at their face value. I like to use them to indicate a vague sense of what is possible. Only an actual build will determine the actual outcome. Yet, a simulation which blows up (in these simulations) indicates an inherent possibility of risk if they should work at all.

Experimenter beware!

Download link for the Micro-Cap simulation file...

https://ufile.io/c9eeq0yv

Postscript...

The Berkeley SPICE family of simulators, from which Spectrum-Soft's Micro-Cap was born, do not possess the ability to program the simulation to reflect an iron wrapping (such as: permalloy used in the early days of trans-Atlantic telegraph cable design) surrounding the copper core of magnetic wire. And since I suspect that Paul Falstad's simulator, used here, appears to incorporate this concept of wrapping copper magnetic wire with a layer of iron (when used within transformers) prior to the application of the wire's insulation, I can deduce that overunity circuits, by design, are very unstable in the Berkeley SPICE family of simulators compared to the more stable outcomes depicted in Paul Falstad's simulator. Considering that the “conventional wisdom” of modern-day electrical engineering and of physics has proclaimed that these types of overunity circuits are always unstable, I must conclude that this is due to our ignorance on this subject. This is not due to any inherent flaw within circuits which surge to infinite gain. I think they (our so-called authority figures) are trying to scare us into staying away from Heaviside's perspective shared by Stubblefield and possibly shared by the Ammann brothers, as well.

Does this sound like a conspiracy to you? It does, to me!

Offline truesearch

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2022, 06:14:02 PM »
Source for 6" copper spheres:
https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Manufacturing-Spherical-Diameter-Buoyancy/dp/B008OMIWJ2/

It looks like they also offer a 5" size.

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« Reply #71 on: August 13, 2022, 09:37:26 PM »
Source for 6" copper spheres:
https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Manufacturing-Spherical-Diameter-Buoyancy/dp/B008OMIWJ2/

It looks like they also offer a 5" size.

I posted a question to the seller asking if the threaded nipple has an opening to the inside. Thanks.

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« Reply #72 on: August 13, 2022, 09:46:16 PM »
One more version...

This time, instead of finely powdered silica or calcium ferrite strewn throughout the interior of each noble gas-filled hollow copper sphere, this dielectric substance is melted onto the underside of each copper sphere as a thin layer separating each copper sphere (acting as the outer plate of a capacitor) from the virtual inner plate of each of these two capacitors embodied by the neon (or, other noble) gas.

This inner plate is virtual due to the ionization of any noble gas behaves as a negative resistor. I am using the term of “virtual” the same way that Eric Dollard uses it to imply “grounded in the virtual realm of the complex field of numbers”. This is where negative resistance arises from: the vacuum, i.e.: non-existential state of matter (equivalent to a black hole or dark energy in physics).

I'm sharing two versions of possible builds since I'm groping. ;-)

Here is another location from which to download the screenshots and the simulator files...

http://vinyasi.info/mhoslaw/Parametric%20Transformers/2022/Aug/?C=M;O=D

Yet, more versions to ponder predicated upon the idea that maybe the copper tubing extends the noble gas into both spheres. And also, the dielectric layered onto the inner surface of each sphere may also extend along the entire length of the tubing?

Micro-Cap simulation file...

"ammann with solar capacitance, v2d.cir"

https://ufile.io/qyv7dzjx
« Last Edit: August 14, 2022, 05:05:54 AM by Vinyasi »

Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2022, 03:58:51 AM »
There's a lot of focus on the antenna(e)/rods. But I seem to recall J Bedini speaking about the lead acid battery as a kind of antenna for drawing in aether/cosmic energy and transducing it into electrical charge. I've been away from the bench for a couple of years getting an off-grid homestead up and running with my wife. However, I remember seeing my DMM on my 6V  lead acid battery go pinging off the scale (over 1000V) when the circuit my LAB was running hit the proper frequency. I very much believe that negative resistance is important here, as Vinyasi points out. This, in my experience, seems to appear when a large enough resistor is inserted at the proper place, coupled with a resonant frequency comprised of sharp transients.  This seems to stress the dielectric/aether, and cause the battery to act as an antenna. At this point, the circuit becomes load-driven, not battery charge driven.  In this sense, it is no longer a closed system, but a deliberately open system, which actively involves the interplay of the aether. I think this may be what Tesla was doing with his pierce arrow setup.

I wish I could be more specific, but my stuff and notes are still in boxes from our move.  Lot of work building, harvesting and prepping for the winter.
Maybe then (winter) I'll have some time to get back to all this. In the mean time, I drop in and read when I can.
Respectfully,
Bob