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Offline thx1138

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2013, 02:23:25 PM »
An all together different perspective. The car was powered by an atomic battery. Tesla believed that if radioactive materials could be shielded from cosmic rays the material would no longer be radioactive thus the cosmic rays were what activated radiation by impinging upon raioactive materials. Radium and other radioactive materials were available at the time and had no restrictions on their use. In the New York Times, July 11, 1937 article he spoke of producing radium for a dollar a pound. Why would that be important? Because radium was very rare and cost about 1,000 British Pounds per gram [font=]and a cheap supply would be needed if cars were to be powered with it. Take a look at page 13 at the following link. That is essentially Tesla's radiant energy patent without the condenser, the Sr-90 supplying the radiant energy and no need for a ground connection:  http://homepages.cae.wisc.edu/~blanchar/res/BlanchardKorea.pdf[/font]
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[font=][/font]The government didn't get into regulating nuclear materials until after the WW II atomic bombs. Personaly I think this is why he opposed the Manhattan project - it would weaponize radioactive materials and make then unavailable to the public but that's pure conjecture on my part.
 
The battery was said to be a "normal" 12V battery but how would anyone recognize the difference at the time, especially since the difference would be internal? It was also said to be capable of lighting a house when not in use as a vehicle.
 
The motor was said to be specially built for the project. How about 6 or more phases, the tubes used in phase change circuits for a multi-phase motor? I don't know enough about tube circuits to know if this could be done using 12 tubes or less. Some may have been needed for other purposes.
 
I still have a problem with the "normal" car controls. To what was the accelerator connected?
 
I don't think it was transmitted power because his air transmission was to be done between balloons at 30,000 feet (which he never tried) or through the ground (which he did accomplish) so how would a moving car have a ground connection on an unprepared roadway? The antenna could well have been a decoy and not in use at all because Tesla was very, very cautious at this time, i.e. the story about the secretary.

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2013, 02:23:25 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: September 19, 2013, 09:27:26 PM »
I disagree completely.  >:(  Tesla was clear enough , don't try to distort his statements !

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 01:11:50 AM »
Most everything I've seen on Tesla's car was someone saying what they or someone else said about the car. I've not seen much about what Tesla himself actually said about it except the following
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Question : Will not wireless transmission of energy result in time in the moving of practically all means of transportation with electrical energy from central power stations?
 
MR. TESLA : No, I do not expect that such will be the case, for the transportation systems now used present certain important practical advantages which cannot be disregarded.

Question: Will not automobiles, for instance, be operated merely by the operative "cutting in" on electrical energy supplied by wireless from power stations?

MR. TESLA : I fear we shall not live to see the wireless system in general use for this purpose.  It is difficult to propel an automobile by the new method for reasons with which experts are familiar. Success can be much more easily achieved in the case of airships.

In time to come it is possible that some form of automobile may be perfected that will enable this propulsion of such vehicles to be effected by power drawn from the ambient medium. [Glass, J. P. , "Tremendous Possibilities of Radio, An Interview With Nikola Tesla," Radio News, November 1922.]
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Cosmic rays would qualify as part of the "ambient medium" and Tesla believed they are what made radioactive materials radioactive. And in 1932 he said, ”I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused them to operate a motive device. ... More than 25 years ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic rays and I can now state that I have succeeded in operating a motive device by means of them.” - “Tesla Cosmic Ray Motor May Transmit Power ‘Round Earth”, by John A. O’NEILL for Brooklin Eagle
Note that he says "...by means of them." not that they powered the device directly.

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« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2013, 01:11:50 AM »
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« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2013, 09:05:46 AM »
http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/Articles/jul_11_1937.htm


there is even a better statement but I can't find it right now. Essentially what Tesla stated is that radioactivity is a process of transforming cosmic rays into lower frequency which interacts with atoms. In other words : by knowing the principle he was able to do transmutation of stable elements which is impossible according to current theories. However the most surprising is the fact that theories are not violated, they are too simplified and not taking into consideration the simple fact : energy is coming to Earth from cosmos and gravity is the result of it. Radium and other radioactive matter has a curious property of traceiving this energy into lower frequency and thus break its bonds in the same manner as any other substance when heated enough....
In other words : he found a way to use that energy as the beam to smash atoms....the same way as used in accelerators spending a lot of power.

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« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2013, 02:31:35 PM »
I read that aticle in my earlier studies but had forgotten it. From the article: "In a ten-page typewritten statement outlining his discoveries, Dr. Tesla gave a    resume of his work in the fields of gravity and cosmic rays." Have you ever seen that 10 page document on the web? I don't remember it.
 
This may be a stretch but another aspect that we often discount is his Turbine. In the patent he specifically states "...the particles of the fluid...", i.e. a particle accelerator. Air can be considered a fluid and, to stretch it even further, so can aether. So his turbine could be related to this staement in the article: "It employs more than three dozen of my inventions, it    is a complex apparatus, an agglomeration of parts."

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #35 on: May 25, 2014, 02:48:44 PM »
The answer is 1 minute and forty seconds into this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVSxvbiPg0

Ben Kraznow is an applied scientist. He shows how powerful external radio frequency waves can be used to induce current in a proximate plasma cleaner.

This does not mean Tesla was not a clever man. But it does mean...case solved.

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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2014, 04:38:40 AM »
The answer is 1 minute and forty seconds into this youtube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atVSxvbiPg0

Ben Kraznow is an applied scientist. He shows how powerful external radio frequency waves can be used to induce current in a proximate plasma cleaner.

This does not mean Tesla was not a clever man. But it does mean...case solved.
Proximate being the key word. I don't get it. Maybe you can draw me a picture. Where did Tesla get the power to drive the coil and how did the plasma create kinetic energy to move the car?
 
Case solved?

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2014, 11:41:18 PM »
@forest and everyone else
i just started a thread under tesla technology called "tesla zpr generator cosmic energy" that has a complete description and links to the cosmic ray therory and even a attachment called free energy suprise with plans how to build a devisr with huge outputs
the page is not getting much attention but i feel it needs a fair look from the group

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2017, 02:04:35 PM »
I went Googling for old Buffalo newspaper articles on this to show a friend and could find none. Now it all seems to be fake news about how this was a hoax concocted in the 60s. Yet I have seen newspaper articles from the time that he did it. If anyone has them or links please post them here. I intend to fix Google. :)

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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2017, 08:44:31 PM »
You probably won't find anything in the Buffalo, NY newspapers. All of the info about the electric car came, one way or another, from Peter Salvo, Tesla's nephew. Some say he was, at that time, a lonely man looking for attention. Could be. Maybe not. but since there's really no evidence to back it up, it really comes down to belief. Personally, I was intrigued by the article that said the car could be used to power a home when not in use as a vehicle. That kind of points away from transmitted power because anyone could just as well put a receiver on the house as well. Tesla never tried to transmit power through the air as far as I know. His initial patents were to transmit power between balloons at 30,000 feet. It's right there in the patents if you look for it. He did, however, accomplish transmitting power through the ground in Colorado Springs. See his Colorado Springs notes of July 4, 1899. That's when he saw power being transmitted through the ground by lightning. He didn't immediately recognize what he was seeing because the next day's notes are talking about extracting hydrogen from the atmosphere for the balloons. We surely would have photos if he ever tried to maintain balloons at 30,000 feet. It would have been a major undertaking and I've never seen any photos of such. Somewhere along the line he realized that he could use the ground and do away with the balloons. That's what Wardenclyffe was about. When the July 4, 1899 notes are fresh in your mind picture lightning striking the ground at the same place every time and under controlled frequency and duration to set up standing waves. That's what Wardenclyffe was about.

But how do you power a moving car that requires an attachment to the ground? You don't.

Another man named Arthur Matthews, who claimed to be Tesla's son, also talked about an electric car with a new kind of "primary battery" that any 15 year old boy could replenish with new plates when the battery ran down. The problem with him, however, is that he claimed Tesla was from Venus so he's considered a whacko.

At any rate, nuclear batteries are in use today. They are used in applications where longevity is needed and no maintenance is possible or extremely difficult. The Russians used them to power lighthouses around the arctic circle. They are also what powers the Voyager space probes that were launched in the late 70's and are still transmitting data back today as they reach the edge of the solar system and start out into interstellar space.

But to understand Tesla's discovery you have to understand the times. There were no regulations on working with nuclear material until the 1950's - after it was proven that nuclear energy could be weaponized by the atomic bombs in Japan. So in the 1930's the field was wide open. What today is called "radiation" is what Tesla meant by "radiant energy". He didn't even coin the term. It was Michael Faraday that proposed "radiant matter" and Crooke's was the first one that I know of that used the term "radiant energy".

Also understand that when Tesla first mentioned "radiant energy" the atom was thought to be the indivisible minima of matter. Scientists of that day didn't just think that electrons didn't exist, but thought they couldn't exist. They also thought that all of those twinkles in the night sky were sun's just like ours. It wasn't until the 1930's that it was recognized that galaxies existed and that our sun is just one star in one galaxy that has roughly a hundred billion stars.

That's just a couple of examples of what I mean about understanding the times that Tesla worked in. A lot of what we take for granted today was unknown during Tesla's time.

See the attached file. It also has a lot of links to info the about these claims.

If you still want to pursue Tesla's electric car though news reports see if you can find a copy of John Ratzlaff's "Tesla Said". That is a 300 page compilation of articles and presentations by Tesla.

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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2017, 01:29:29 AM »
You probably won't find anything in the Buffalo, NY newspapers. All of the info about the electric car came, one way or another, from Peter Salvo, Tesla's nephew. Some say he was, at that time, a lonely man looking for attention. Could be. Maybe not. but since there's really no evidence to back it up, it really comes down to belief. Personally, I was intrigued by the article that said the car could be used to power a home when not in use as a vehicle. That kind of points away from transmitted power because anyone could just as well put a receiver on the house as well. Tesla never tried to transmit power through the air as far as I know. His initial patents were to transmit power between balloons at 30,000 feet. It's right there in the patents if you look for it. He did, however, accomplish transmitting power through the ground in Colorado Springs. See his Colorado Springs notes of July 4, 1899. That's when he saw power being transmitted through the ground by lightning. He didn't immediately recognize what he was seeing because the next day's notes are talking about extracting hydrogen from the atmosphere for the balloons. We surely would have photos if he ever tried to maintain balloons at 30,000 feet. It would have been a major undertaking and I've never seen any photos of such. Somewhere along the line he realized that he could use the ground and do away with the balloons. That's what Wardenclyffe was about. When the July 4, 1899 notes are fresh in your mind picture lightning striking the ground at the same place every time and under controlled frequency and duration to set up standing waves. That's what Wardenclyffe was about.

But how do you power a moving car that requires an attachment to the ground? You don't.

Another man named Arthur Matthews, who claimed to be Tesla's son, also talked about an electric car with a new kind of "primary battery" that any 15 year old boy could replenish with new plates when the battery ran down. The problem with him, however, is that he claimed Tesla was from Venus so he's considered a whacko.

At any rate, nuclear batteries are in use today. They are used in applications where longevity is needed and no maintenance is possible or extremely difficult. The Russians used them to power lighthouses around the arctic circle. They are also what powers the Voyager space probes that were launched in the late 70's and are still transmitting data back today as they reach the edge of the solar system and start out into interstellar space.

But to understand Tesla's discovery you have to understand the times. There were no regulations on working with nuclear material until the 1950's - after it was proven that nuclear energy could be weaponized by the atomic bombs in Japan. So in the 1930's the field was wide open. What today is called "radiation" is what Tesla meant by "radiant energy". He didn't even coin the term. It was Michael Faraday that proposed "radiant matter" and Crooke's was the first one that I know of that used the term "radiant energy".

Also understand that when Tesla first mentioned "radiant energy" the atom was thought to be the indivisible minima of matter. Scientists of that day didn't just think that electrons didn't exist, but thought they couldn't exist. They also thought that all of those twinkles in the night sky were sun's just like ours. It wasn't until the 1930's that it was recognized that galaxies existed and that our sun is just one star in one galaxy that has roughly a hundred billion stars.

That's just a couple of examples of what I mean about understanding the times that Tesla worked in. A lot of what we take for granted today was unknown during Tesla's time.

See the attached file. It also has a lot of links to info the about these claims.

If you still want to pursue Tesla's electric car though news reports see if you can find a copy of John Ratzlaff's "Tesla Said". That is a 300 page compilation of articles and presentations by Tesla.




No you are incorrect. There are newspaper articles from the 1930s. I have read them. Even if I have to travel to NY and go to libraries I will find them. This Salvo thing is a recent fake news.

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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2017, 04:53:55 AM »
I've rummaged through something close to 3,000
newspaper articles from 1891-1938 concerning Mr. T.
With an exception of an electric "death ray" of 50MV,
and plans to deliver it to Geneva just before the Fed's
ramsacked his lab... 
there was nothing of particular interest found in any of
the articles. Most certainly no mention of an electric
automobile.


I did however come across two variations of a photograph
IN a car, I'm not sure which one is the real image and which
one is the 'mirror' image.
Nor is there any indication that this is or may be the electric one.






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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2017, 07:27:25 AM »
Thanks Smoky, that was not the car it was a Pierce Arrow. When I find the article(s) I will post them here.

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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2017, 10:27:30 AM »
Doing some searching myself...


A lot seems to have vanished indeed... 


here is a mention in Italian about a newspaper in 1931


"Il New York Daily News del 2 aprile 1934 riportava un articolo intitolato "Il sogno di Tesla di un'energia senza fili vicino alla realtŕ", che descriveva un "esperimento programmato per spingere un'automobile utilizzando la trasmissione senza fili di energia elettrica". Questo successe dopo l'episodio e non vi era menzione di "free energy".[/size] "


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I added a PDF about the car, still not the newspaper





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« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2017, 10:36:39 AM »

"CAR NIKOLA TESLA


1930 Tesla called his cousin, Peter Sava, who was born in Yugoslavia in 1899, to come to New York. Peter was 43 years younger than his uncle. Until that day he lived under difficult conditions in Yugoslavia, a country where he was born Tesla. During the year 1931, Tesla took his cousin in Buffalo to discover and test the new car. Tesla has developed its own means.


It was a Pierce Arrow, one of the luxury cars of that period. The engine was removed, leaving the clutch, gearbox and laptop to the rear wheels undisturbed. The petrol engine is switched round, totally enclosed electric motor 1m and a length of approximately 65cm diameter, with a cooling fan at the front. They say that he had no distributor. Tesla was not willing to say who produced the engine. It is possible that this was one of the sectors of company Westinghouse.


Tesla have made "energy receiver" (gravitational energy converter). Dimensions converter housing were approximately 60 x 25 x 15cm. He was installed in front of the dashboard. Among other things, the transducer 12 is contained vacuum tube, of which three were L-type 70 +7. Severe Antenna Long about 1.8 meters out from the converters. This antenna is apparently had the same function as the one in Moray converters. In addition, the two fat blends are sticking out approximately 10cm from the converter housing. Tesla them stuffed saying "Now we have the energy." The engine, it reached a maximum of 1800 rpm.


Tesla said it was pretty hot when working, and therefore the cooling fan was required. For the rest, he said that there is enough power in the converter to illuminate the entire cab and started the engine. The car was tested one week, reaching a top speed of 90 miles per hour without problems. Data about its effect were at least the same as those cars that have used petrol. The sign to stop a passer-by is noted that in muffler do not put the exhaust gas. Peter answered, "We have no engine". The car he was held on a farm, maybe 20 miles from Bufala, not far from Niagara Falls.


Couple months after his car tested, and because of the then economic crisis, she had to stop production of cars Pierce Arrow. It is likely that the correlation between the electric motor and gear train is in radial. Tools autobomila Pierce Arrow has taken firm Studebaker, South Bend-in. About 30 years later, the company has also disappeared, and formed the company American Motors, together with the company Nash. Later, some of his obozavacoci trying to revive the car Pierce Arrow. Unfortunately, they did not have success.


Thus, today the name of the company in the mausoleum, along with others such as Horch, Maybach, Hispano-Suiza, Bugatti and Isotta Fraschini."

 

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