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Re: Teslas electric car
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2011, 06:33:36 PM »
Thanks for that, I had forgotten about his site.  It doesn't seem to have been updated in a long time though.  Included in his "to be published" list, is Cold Fusion.  Given the current news it would have been interesting to get his take on it.  He always struck me as a truth-seeker rather than a debunker - and Lord knows there are enough of the latter on this forum!  Hope he's still alive & kicking.

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2011, 07:42:11 PM »
you refer to this:

*********************************************************** SM's  words ***************
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v  300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
*******************************************************************************************

YES  BINGO

that was it. BUT NOT THE TEXT, that i seen With the ecactly circuit, within.

It was say´d exactly that he have found en EXTRA ENERGY betwenn the both secindry windings of two seoarated transformers (!)  Ine that produce the 2x anodes-voltage, and anther that only transform the main supply to the 5 volts heater.  I Know this tubes. I habe in fron of me and in my stocklist /in WEB). 
.
Possibly  the radiation from cathode (barium)
produce very high frquencies and produce energy
that Tesla know to use them.
Pese

P.S.

Magnetic Amplifiers (Transductors)
i also worked with them, are not the solution for Tesla car,
BUT possibly that was GABRIEL KRON  have found, and forbidden to publishing. ( G. Kron was Engineer from G.E,)
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 08:10:01 PM by pese »

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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2011, 08:53:14 PM »
YES  BINGO

that was it. BUT NOT THE TEXT, that i seen With the ecactly circuit, within.

It was say´d exactly that he have found en EXTRA ENERGY betwenn the both secindry windings of two seoarated transformers (!)  Ine that produce the 2x anodes-voltage, and anther that only transform the main supply to the 5 volts heater.  I Know this tubes. I habe in fron of me and in my stocklist /in WEB). 
.
Possibly  the radiation from cathode (barium)
produce very high frquencies and produce energy
that Tesla know to use them.
Pese

P.S.

Magnetic Amplifiers (Transductors)
i also worked with them, are not the solution for Tesla car,
BUT possibly that was GABRIEL KRON  have found, and forbidden to publishing. ( G. Kron was Engineer from G.E,)

Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2011, 09:28:13 PM »
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

I forgot the transmitter:

http://www.mindfully.org/Technology/Magnetospheric-Power-Line19may78.htm

Military has had radiant conveyance for years...

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/wireless_transformer/

http://oai.dtic.mil/oai/oai?verb=getRecord&metadataPrefix=html&identifier=ADA052353
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 10:47:55 PM by wings »

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2011, 10:47:22 PM »
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

Oscillation is an wrong explaining. possibly the "radiant" electrone lawines that is delivered from the cathode- emitted from BARIUM = radiant materials"  produce "energy" with the resonating frequecies of barium material.
(nothing to do with vhf/uhf frequencies that can produced with
PC86, or microwaves (Klystrons), SM have found (amother way) and possibly not understand. Possibly it comes "nearby" to Tesla "unknow" invention
Pese
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2.
Ref:
Military has had radiant conveyance for years...

Yes its sure, but this sources (shown in the link" are NOT the
knowledges, that TESLA have opend.

If there are know to military , it will also never published.

---------------
TESLA asked some millions USD  to sell
his knowledge to govermentm possibly followimg
(see links) was an cheaper way to take all informations
 
http://www.google.de/#q=tesla+murdered+1943&bav=on.2,or.&fp=58b7d217b58a1b52&hl=de


www.alt-nrg.de/pppp   
some german and engl.
alternatibe links, collected over years..
« Last Edit: April 22, 2011, 11:10:42 PM by pese »

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2011, 11:00:41 PM »

Transmitting tube hot cathode characteristics
Material    
Oscillation is an wrong explaining. possibly the "radiant" electrone lawines that is delivered from the cathode- emitted from BARIUM = radiant materials"  produce "energy" with the resonating frequecies of barium material.
(nothih to do with vhf/uhf frequencies that can produced with
PC86, or microwaves (Klystrons), SM have found (amother way) and possibly not understand. Possibly it comes "nearby" to Tesla "unknow" invention
Pese
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www.alt-nrg.de/pppp   
some german and engl.
alternatibe links, collected over years..
                                Operating temperature    Emission efficacy    Specific emission
Tungsten                    2500 K                          5 mA/                       500 mA/cm2
Thoriated tungsten    2000 K                            100 mA/W              5 A/cm2
Oxide coated            1100 K                            500 mA/W              10 A/cm2
Barium aluminate     1300 K                            400 mA/W              4 A/cm2

it seem that thoriated or oxide coated filament have better efficiency

Tesla's "1930 Pierce Arrow" Electric Automoblie at this time ....
http://www.r-type.org/exhib/aaj0163.htm
The DET1, designed around 1924, was the first dull emitter, thoriated tungsten filament transmitting valve, certainly in the UK, possibly in the world. It was a conventional triode with flat nickel anode, ribbed for strength and capable of dissipating a power of 35 watts at anything up to 1,000 volts. The cathode operated at 6 Volt, 1.9 Amp.

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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2011, 11:19:57 PM »
So, (i am not specialized)

but some guys have tired some Kilowatts from small amount of radium, thorium, and other materials
so barium tunszen (wolfram) have also more
energy, IF "we can "pic up" them in an usual way.
(also we must see: meyer hendershot morey to understand
possibly also Tesla)

Pese

P.S.
it have nothing to do with usual transmittimg tubes, nire this know technic,  - The last, i know.
But not, what Tesla (and some european Inventors!) have done.
/All -unwillcome- surpressed informations/
 

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2011, 11:49:25 PM »
you refer to this:

*********************************************************** SM's  words ***************
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v  300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
*******************************************************************************************
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg174142#msg174142
SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2011, 01:53:46 AM »
Hans had posted this a few years back on another thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3691.0

Tate Power from the air

    Tate Ambient Power Module. Joseph Tate Last Known Address 760 Waldo Point Sausalito Ca (4965) 415 331 8150 332 9918 U.S. Patent 4,628,299



    This design converts radio frequency energy to power that can be usefully applied in power devices such as clocks,radios and smoke detectors.

    This design makes use of a doubler, splitter and rectifier.

    The device has been known to give 36 volt/9 watts.

    This devices does away for the need for batteries by extracting energy from natural and man made radio waves.

    THe device uses a coil made of the following design 479 turns of #22 wire on a 3" plastic tube, the coil should be loosely wound as a close wound coil tends to reduce power collection. One end should be connected to unit at antenna connection point and the other to an antenna of your choice .

    Other coil types could be used in your experiments such as sliding induction coils that is inside one another and find the best position by moving them in different positions.

    Other coil types can be found by referencing any good book on radio fundamentals. Check out the Telsa type coils as well.

    Power could be also enhanced by placing a tin foil pyramid under the coil as this seems to also improve power.

    The power produced also seems to improve near bridges,ships and any thing containing a great deal of metal.

    A high antenna wire seems to improve the running of unit although a 7 foot whip antenna worked reasonably well too.


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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2011, 02:01:02 AM »
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg174142#msg174142
SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.



Yes , this come more "nearby" that was i read , years ago.  Not in overunity.

BUT it MUST be the following experiments,
because  he "find interessantly things" ,
so his words (your found text)

Pese


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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2011, 02:22:14 AM »
Hans had posted this a few years back on another thread.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=3691.0

Tate Power from the air

    Tate Ambient Power Module. Joseph Tate Last Known Address 760 Waldo Point Sausalito Ca (4965) 415 331 8150 332 9918 U.S. Patent 4,628,299



    This design converts radio frequency energy to power that can be usefully applied in power devices such as clocks,radios and smoke detectors.

    This design makes use of a doubler, splitter and rectifier.

    The device has been known to give 36 volt/9 watts.

    This devices does away for the need for batteries by extracting energy from natural and man made radio waves.

    THe device uses a coil made of the following design 479 turns of #22 wire on a 3" plastic tube, the coil should be loosely wound as a close wound coil tends to reduce power collection. One end should be connected to unit at antenna connection point and the other to an antenna of your choice .

    Other coil types could be used in your experiments such as sliding induction coils that is inside one another and find the best position by moving them in different positions.

    Other coil types can be found by referencing any good book on radio fundamentals. Check out the Telsa type coils as well.

    Power could be also enhanced by placing a tin foil pyramid under the coil as this seems to also improve power.

    The power produced also seems to improve near bridges,ships and any thing containing a great deal of metal.

    A high antenna wire seems to improve the running of unit although a 7 foot whip antenna worked reasonably well too.

NON-SENS.
You cant find such extremly power in natural enbiroment !
in Front of an AM Radio statuon you can find such power.
I done this 1955 (yes, i was 14 ! old).
next 1m34 are detectin diodes fpr use in transistorized receiver, an can never use to rectify 9watt  at 36volts (equal to 300mAmps. !.
1N34 are (i have them) for using typical  lower than 1mA. in receivers. or up to 50mA applications.

For  sucht circuit, as in patent.  1n270 , 1n277 germanium gold bonded diodes are fpr the needed current usefully, BUT the  circuit, is never usefull in any normally condition (as offered).
pese

THIS is NOT the way, to drive an electric car , like tesla!

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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2011, 02:45:29 AM »
70L7

it is an double system tube.
1 part ist Audio output pentode (to drive the loudspeacker,
the DIODE  ist an one way rectifier  to rectifie the 110volts ACc (MAINPOWER) TO  (ABOUT 150VOLTS). So that was usual to use no Power transformers in radio receiver, so it was uses an 70 Volt heating filament.

70L7 need 70Volt  115L7  115Volt AC to heat up  to becomes electron flow between cathode and anode of the tube.

(70 volts used in receivers if som other receiving tubes was added in serie to total 115volt)   115L7 was used in singel tubes amplifiers (phono ).
-I am born 1941 and working from 1950 beginnig 1950 in my fathers radio repair shop)  So i know the technik my whole life on beginning..)

BUT WHY Tesla use 70volt burning filaments, IF it was also 12 volt types wit - als the others SAME caracteristics on the marked =!=!. I showed all european and us types !!

So another secret must be inckude-
Tesla have -sure- nit used 12 volt to invert that first ti 70 volts !!,

So the tubes was used colf (without heating=)
or undergliwed with only dark-red heating with 12 volts ???

So also you must understand that this tube habe only 2-3 watt powerdissipation, and can never  power an motor. als 10 or ore underheatet /an underpowered( tubes cant work as an
amplifier ??

I have brocken my head over years for this ask.

I belive you are an an good way to find this out with your
cakculations. The secret it is to find (i think so) in the electron flow of the cathode.
the ether give an lot of RF Power over an spectrum of waves to the antenna, that give (as mix) an lot of nois.frequencies.
Pehaps that are or will be mixed with the waves outvoming
of the cathodes ot the tubes.

(I remember an electronic tube cirvuit wit 5R4 5U4 rectifier tubes from SM (that was for short tim to see in WEB. (5-6 years ago) in this page he found an unknow additinally power, that he could not explain, BUT so i have understand this circuit
he find an power because he use 2 transformers that have disparated anode and cathode circuit in two parts...

Offcause this circuit was deleted (i think so) very fast from the web. It MUST have some interesting details...

Sorry my english... but i think the information is better than an perfect english language

G Pese
Pese,  I don't like to think I just wasted money buying some 70L7-GT tubes I was planning on experimenting with as I thought there might be something to look at with them (and I got a good deal on some).  But after buying them I found some info that makes it perplexing how Tesla could have used this particular tube.  There is a message thread on OU here about it as someone looked into it even deeper than I had.  The problem is they GE, Raytheon and other tube makers did not even make this particular tube until years after Tesla was said to have used them in the Pierce Arrow electric car demo.  So unless Tesla had some time travel machine or maybe an insider in a tube manufacturing company it seems unlikely he used this particular tube.  This leads me to wonder if these are the correct number or if there was some 'data cleaning' done by the FBI or the PTB concerning the actual tube numbers.

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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2011, 03:18:32 AM »
Pese, I do understand that and I was not looking at it as if it could. I thought it may help myself and or others come up with ways to do so.

 That design does collect energy from frequencies, not as much as we need but there maybe another natural frequency and or multiples of others that when combined, say 12, maybe able to supply enough power.

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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2011, 08:15:00 AM »

Yes , this come more "nearby" that was i read , years ago.  Not in overunity.

BUT it MUST be the following experiments,
because  he "find interessantly things" ,
so his words (your found text)

Pese



in these post:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg174677#msg174677

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2011, 09:53:07 AM »
Pese,  I don't like to think I just wasted money buying some 70L7-GT tubes I was planning on experimenting with as I thought there might be something to look at with them (and I got a good deal on some).   
Sure , it is not waste.
Any experiment can help to understand
I try  to let you know, thatt possibly each other tu, do the same
also the system beam-pentode and rect-diode you find a lot of types (in singe tubes and separate (2) tubes.
I think that  teslo NOT used them in "normal configution" as amplifier or rectifier.
Why he have not used 12 volt tubes ??  (12 volt need for filament heaters ! He have not 70volt on his
car-battery !  Why ? 
Have he "underheated" the cathode ?   Have he only used
the cathode,-electron flow ? The emitted wave from tge dark.red kightning ? The waves coming from the  wolfram (bismuth) ? The waves emitting from the cathode-barium ??

It give more to think... not only to electron receiver tube ! Tesla have found and work something withit THAN IS UNUSUAL, so you (we) must  think no the small area of 70L7 Datasheets.  - Including that what SM done with his 5u4  2way rect.tube
- only the emitting electrons have him give (possibly) additional (unusual) energies, that he tried to understand.
(he have stop it, because ununderstanding or surpressing ?)

Pese

P.S.

IF Tesla have used this "noisy" electron flow...
What he have done with this ?

And why the "antenna" on the car ?


Both frequencies (from receiving antenna and the tubes"
was used and important for him.

so he have used the tube  to emitting rf noise in a very wide range of frequencies OR in the range of emmitting barium or bismuth catode.

(As Oscillator?) to mix them with the endless power of ether that received from antenna?

On such things we must possible think also, BECAUSE sucht tube only CAN NOT HANDLE  an small amount of power that was need for the motor..
The secret is never the electronic tube circuit... , we must also see other unusal possibilities to youse the tubes.

Tesla, have he used the resonance frequency from the vacuum (inner the tubes) - cold ? not heating the tubes?.  12 tubes (parallel?) instead of one (with bigger electronic power) !! Why ?
(Only an idea to show over the limits of educated physics).
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