@Freenrg4me
Just to correct you on one of your thoughts.  We have never lived in a democracy, it is a representitive republic, and always has been. This used to be taught in 4th grade civics class.  I have heard many an "educated" person make the same error. I guess public schools are not what they used to be.


Bill

Sounds like you have bought into each and every conspiracy theory that has even been invented.  I don't think you left any single one out. If you seriously think that the 911 attacks were an "inside job" using "a missile and a drone", there is not a single thing I can say in response to you because you are too far gone to be reasoned with.  I don't mean that as an insult, but I am seriously at a loss for words.

Bill

It was never meant to be personal, Bill. Although it can feel that way, if it specifically involves the country that one may be born in and reside within. I'm not attempting to put words in your mouth, on my reply, either. Perhaps the depths of your thoughts on such matters are completely different, and likely differ from my allusion.

In essence, we all go to the places in thought where we,as individuals, with uhm...'emotionally driven braking', which is the point that creates our 'limits' when attempting to formulate a good solid grasp of how the world works.

As stated, each and every point I've raised can be found to be true, if you do the research. The depth of the matter on the most intimate levels is actually far more frightening and ludicrious.

For example, you, or I for that matter, cannot imagine ourselves sitting at a table and eating the cooked remains of the meat on someone's skull after we've had $ex with said skull, yet this is exactly what Jeffrey Dahmer did. Truth is stranger than fiction, for the most part, as it can and many times does involve things that we would never think of doing, or be able to hold easily within our minds. This is the basic operational point of mental consideratons, vis-a-vis the electrochemical origins of thought, piled upon the design and structure of the human mind. Thus I can seem like a raving lunatic to a mind that is organized and structured upon fundamentals that differ from any given point of reality that I try to relate to them...as that may not agree with that given person's 'internal design'.

Reality and truth, for the most part, is limited by the given individual's capacity to deal with and accept. Basically, It will seem like an insult, but the opposite is meant, it is merely a reflection of realities:A mind that cannot clearly look at the true nature of reality, and or the structure of the world around them, without severely filtering through rose colored glasses, is clearly an immature mind.

We all have our filters and limits, I simply have fewer than most. Thus..I see further down the road.

And those that have severe filtering when it comes to these realities..are only more easily manipulated by others....via those enormous blind spots.

Quote from: Omnibus on October 15, 2007, 05:55:51 PM

Question is, regarding reexamination, what constitutes prior art? Can the fact that Science denies the workability of such machines (and therefore they cannot be new and useful as the law requires) be prior art? If it can, it would be newly discovered prior art regarding the patent in question (and all related prior patents, of course) which should render the patent invalid. What do you think?.

The prior art can indeed be newly discovered.  However, the prior art itself must of course predate the patent filing date, preferably by a few months.

There is a whole body of law on what is and what is not prior art, and I am not an expert, but generally speaking, any type of publicly published information or built devices that show the same concept would qualify.  Private letters, documents and conversations generally do not count.  Sadly, the fact that the laws of physics or other branches of science render the device impossible would not constitute prior art.  Still, if you want to smack this patent, find a similar device from an earlier time.  Just be prepared for a fight.  Patent holders can be very creative in differentiating their ideas.

See, the point is that revoking te patent isn't my intention. My intention, as I said at the beginning, is to smoke out the person claiming perpetuum mobile and have him demonstrate in flesh in blood what he has patented (which if he doesn't do should, of course, lead to invalidation of the patent). Some of us here have a lot of experience with such "discoverers" who flash their devices only to disappear later. Recall Torbay, Mike Brady (Perendev), Steorn, Danny from Ohio, several Canadian dudes, etc. etc. Steorn and the like, for instance, ask you to sign a NDA which is similar to killing the possibility to uncover the truth. Here in this case we have involvement of an official governmental organization paid for by our taxes which is backing (protecting) claims for perpetuum mobile. That's a whole new level of the story. Government must be accountable brfore its citizens, musn't it? It cannot hide behind NDA's and must abide by its own laws. The problem now is to find the exact avenue to pursue this accountability.

We do not live in a democracy and some of us are smart enough to realize that.

@feenrg4me

Your words quoted above indicated that you think only a very small part of the population, including yourself, realize we don't live in a democracy. My statement was to point out that any person who went to public school should already know that.  Congratulations on your going to private school, does this mean you were educated by the Jews?  Was Mein Kampf on the required reading list? I find it interesting that people, as yourself, that spew ideology get upset when compared to Hitler.  What you may not realize is that everything you are saying was said before, by Hitler.  Like Hans said, read Hitler's book because all of your words, thoughts and opinions are all in there.  Maybe you have already read it and that's where you get your ideas.  Maybe you have not read it and have thought this up on your own.  Either way, if you regurgitate all of Hitler's ideas and philosophies you should not be shocked when reasonable people logically make the comparison.  You have your right to your opinions, but then, so do we.

Bill

@Freenrg4me:

Thank you for pointing out my error.  I went back and edited my previous post accordingly.  It was my error and there is no excuse for it. My mind must have been distracted.  I have studied history extensively and I know that most of the things you point out never happened. You are reporting revisionist history which is not real history or reality.  But, I do agree 100% that this is not the forum to debate this. I wish you the best and I guess we have to agree to disagree.  Let's get back to discovering overunity and putting it to good use.

Bill

Quote from: Freenrg4me on October 15, 2007, 07:49:53 PM

No I have no read Hitlers book but Hitler and Zionism are so closely linked they are inseparable.

Is that not the height of ignorance? I would have thought that only someone thoroughly familiar with Hitlerian and Zionist philosophy would be entitled to voice an opinion on the subject.

Hans von Lieven

Is that not the height of arrogance? If you think that not reading one book makes me somehow less qualified to know what is going on in the my country or elsewhere in history, you are delusional.

Lots of people write books and many of them are in politics. Do you think that what they wanted you to believe in a single book is reflective of the reality of their career?

What makes you think you are the end all be all of political reality in the US? You claim to live in the Netherlands. I live here Jack, and I know what is going on and it is so similar to what happened before WWII it scares me and if you don't know enough about history to know that there were many Zionist Jews in Hitlers government, you are a magical thinking idiot.

Most politicians write a book about themselves. Al Gore wrote one all about global warming. Does Al Gore know anything about the galactic oscillation of our solar system and how that might affect the temperature on Earth? Perhaps Al could explain why the other planets are heating up too.

Does his book really tell us anything about him? Nope, his actions tell us about him. He is a billionaire , Arman Hammer (a communist) was his godfather, his father, a senator was responsible for all the technology transfer sales to the Soviet Union. A traitor? You bet, and his "book" isn't going to tell you all about that, any more than Hitlers book is going to tell you all about Hitler.

But don't take my word for it, here are the words of some of the Zionist.

Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897:
?It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . . I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends?.
-- From Herzl's Diary

5. German Zionism offers to collaborate with Nazism
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch05.htm

"Werner Senator, a leading German Zionist, once remarked that Zionism, for all its world Jewish nationalism, always politically assimilates to the countries within which it operates. No better proof of his remark exists than the political adaptation of the ZVfD to the theories and policies of the new Nazi regime. Believing that the ideological similarities between the two movements ? their contempt for liberalism, their common volkish racism and, of course, their mutual conviction that Germany could never be the homeland of its Jews ? could induce the Nazis to support them, the ZVfD solicited the patronage of Adolf Hitler, not once but repeatedly, after 1933."

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

Jews Against Zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/Newsletters/pressrelease070904.htm

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained ?we must, above all, make it an international political issue.? Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome ?final solution of the Jewish question.? In his ?Diaries?, page 19, Herzl stated ?Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.?

Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo. Hitler himself personally supported Zionism. During the 1930?s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized ?Kibbutz? training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of ?Israel?. The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler?s Germany and international Zionism. Through this agreement, Hitler?s Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930?s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals.

Would you like to see some quotes from some of your Zionist friends? Enjoy!
Let us start with David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel  1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963

There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -  David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel  1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"

Well I could go on with that cut and paste for days. The Nazis and Zionist could not act any different. I am not a Nazi or a Zionist and do not support either unlike some of you.

O.K., time for your little bumper sticker smear job. Is that all you are capable of?

You see Hans, in reality I could not be any more pro Jewish. You can't see because of the lens of racism you view others and the world through.

A Zionist in not a Jew, that is a myth. Many people that claim to be Jews also claim to be Zionist or supporters of Israel but are they really Jews?

Read the book The Thirteenth Tribe. It traces the origin of the Ashkenazi Jews of Poland, Hungary and Romania and suggests they are not Jews at all.

The most racist people on Earth are the Israelis. Hitler was was a racist, I am not. I am just fine with Jews, not fine with Zionist. Why is it that people with ties to German Nazism also seem to such supporters of Zionism? The Bush family would be a good example.

If I were a Jew, I would be asking myself the questions:

Why are Zionist doing things that cause people to hate Jews?
Why are the Zionist trying to get all the Jews to move to Israel?
Could that separation wall have two sides?
Could the wall be used to keep Jews in?
Is someone planning another holocaust?
Have two enemies worked together for decades but each separately planning to double cross the other in the end?

Zionism is racism and racism is always the pretext to genocide.

I sir, think for myself, and do not rely upon extremist, racist propaganda to bolster my thoughts and statements. I make decisions based upon historical facts, not hysterical ramblings.  What the hell all of this has to do with overunity is beyond me.  You sound like a very frustrated, lonely, and deeply disturbed individual.  Just the kind of recruit genocidal maniacs are looking for.

Bill