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Author Topic: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?  (Read 9266 times)

Offline helmut

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Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« on: October 07, 2007, 02:07:04 PM »
@All
Heute sitze ich im Garten,um die letzten warmen Sonnenstrahlen des Jahres zu genie?en.
Ich denke dar?ber nach,das die Sonne uns erbarmungslos bestrahlt.
Sie kann die Haut verbrennen und die Pflanzen austrocknen.Schon eine geringe Fl?che
Solarkollektor reicht aus,um den pers?nlichen Tagesbedarf an Energie zu decken.da kommt soviel
Energie zu uns,das wir uns und unsere Sachen bekleiden m?ssen,um nicht schaden zu nehmen.
Also frage ich mich: Was macht die Natur,um sich zu sch?tzen.? Das Wasser verdunstet,und die Lebewesen vertrocknen.Und was machen die Mineralien?Was macht der Sand und was machen die Steine?,die so
gnadenlos von der Sonne bestrahlt wurden.Und die wichtigste Frage:Was passiert mit der Energie.Was passiert damit?
Die Steine werden Hei? und dann? Jeder sagt jetzt: Die geben die W?rme ab und werden dann kalt.das ist nat?rlich richtig.
Dann denke ich aber an die Steine in meinem Ofen.Die bekommen soviel Energie ab und nehmen keinen Schaden.
Was passiert da? Die klugen Leute haben nat?rlich eine Antwort parat.Sie sagen:Der Stein absorbiert die W?rme. Und dann kratze ich mich am Kopf und frage: Wie macht er das blos? Und welchen Sinn macht dann der erste Hauptsatz der Thermodynamik.
Kann es sein,das der Stein mit dem Aether interagiert? Kann es sein,das Mineralien ein Tor zum Aether sind?
Hat schon mal einer versucht einen Schamottestein zu pulsen?

helmut

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Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« on: October 07, 2007, 02:07:04 PM »

Offline RebeLLz

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2007, 02:46:52 PM »
 ;D du hast Ideen

Stein strahlt auch W?rme ab. Steht in verbindung mit Luft. W?rme(stein)-->Luft

Er strahlt w?rme solange ab bis Luft in Umgebung einen Punkt erreicht hat dass der stein platzt

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2007, 11:51:16 AM »
@All
Thomas Traw?ger ist ins Forum gekommen,und l?sst uns an seinen Entdeckungen
teilhaben und legt Konstruktionsdetails offen.
Hier offenbahrt sich nun,das der Quarz-Sand besondere Eigenschaften besitzt.
In seiner Erscheinung als "schn?der Sand" scheint er mir absolut unterbewertet zu sein.
Genauso unbeachtet,wie die Eigenschaften anderer Mineralien.

Dem Wasser hat man schlie?lich auch nicht zugetraut,das es als Brennstoff den Weg in die Autos findet.

Vom Wasser und vom Sand gibt es reichlich viel auf dem Planeten.

Deshalb versuche ich nun,hier im Forum Leute zu finden,die sich schon zumindest gedanklich
mit dem Thema besch?ftigen,und es ebenfalls als wertvoll erachten
das Mineral auf den Pr?fstand zu stellen.

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2007, 02:29:16 PM »
Hallo Helmut,
hier noch einmal f?r dich rausgesucht; Die Laborb?cher von T.T.Brown:

http://www.qualight.com/petro/index.htm#docs

Das ist die offizielle Homepage der Brown Family zum Nachlass von T.T. Brown.

Petroelektrizit?t (Petrovoltaik) nennt man diesen Effekt der Aufladung von Gesteinen (Schichtsilikaten u.a.).
Der Effekt wird nat?rlich von allen planetaren Umst?nden beeinflusst, was auch irgendwo in diesen Dokumenten nachzulesen ist.
Es wurden zeitgleich mehrere Untersuchungen ortsverschieden durchgef?hrt.
Aus dem ?berlagerten "Offset" der Impuls- oder Schwingungsfolge kann man R?ckschl?sse auf gr??eres ziehen.
Vielleicht ist da auch der CASIMIREFFEKT im Spiel, eine Abschirmung im Zwischenraum der Kondensatorplatten.
Die Mehrzahl unseres bekannten Frequenzspektrums kann in einen kleinen Spalt nich eindringen.
Von au??n wirkt aber der ?therdruck.
Also Zusammendr?ck-Effekt, nicht statischer Anziehungseffekt.
Bei weiterem Zusammenschieben kommt dann die Van der Waalsche Absto?ung der Atomladungen ins Spiel.
Eine Resonanz zwischen diesen beiden Punkten kann nun stattfinden und die Oberfl?chen der kleinen Silikatpl?ttchen aufladen.
Ich glaube so war das ungef?r.
Mann kann das auch mit Bauteilen der Mikrosystemrechnik nachbauen, oder zwei extrem polierte Kugeloberfl?chen ann?hern.
Dann findet auf einmal ein Snap In effekt statt (Kraftzuwachs), der nicht dem internen System zuzuordnen ist.
Viel Spa?
Karl

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2007, 02:43:35 PM »
Hallo nochmal Helmut,
hier sind etwas n?here Details zum Thema:

http://www.qualight.com/petro/selfpot.htm

Rocks Generate Electricity:

Certain laboratory-size rocks have developed as much as 700 millivolts, dc, quite independent of galvanic, magnetic or other known factors. While this is an extremely low output in useful standards, one must recognize that this is only the beginning. Future development, as in the case of nuclear fission, may increase the potential enormously. One need only recall that the first evidence of atomic fission (1934-1939) appeared on sensitive cathode ray oscilloscopes of Enrico Fermi, Lise Meitner and others. They had no idea at that time of the tremendous power of atomic bombs or of the use to which atomic power could be put in the years to come. Rock electricity may be in that position today, possibly offering a solution to our energy crises, completely free from environmental hazards or political considerations.

Rocks Are Not Alike:

Many different rocks have been studied. Granite and dense lava rocks so far have shown the greatest voltage output. Other rocks, containing lead or other heavy metals seem to indicate that the electrical output is a function of mass (which is to be expected if the effect is gravitational).

Rocks also have a wide variety of cyclic patterns, the phasing of which differs from one rock or another. The interpretation of this phenomenon might be that the gravitational (wave) spectral band (rf) to which each individual rock is attuned is slightly different. Hence, each rock senses only that portion of the very broad spectrum of the ambient flux (from space) to which it is resonant. The effect is similar to radio receivers tuned to different frequencies.

Da hatte ich einmal einen Versuch nit LAGONA Lavaerde (Bio-Laden, zum Waschen) gemacht:
#zwischen zwei Kondensatorplatten aus Al
#Startspannung anlegen (Multimeter auf Ohm-Messung schalten, das reicht, Spannung wird appliziert)
#Multimeter auf Spannungsmessung umschalten und Effekt beobachten

1.) Spannung l?uft r?ckw?rts ?ber null in den negativen Bereixch und baut sich dann auf (bei bei einem Elektret)
2.) Spannung bleibt nahezu konstant mit steigender Tendenz
3.) Spannung kann kurzgeschlossen werden, baut sich dann wieder schnell auf
4.) Kondensatoren (10?F und gr??er empfohlen) k?nnen geladen und entladen werden, evtl kann sogar ein Schwingkreis betrieben werden

Interessant w?re der Betrieb im Schwingkreismodus.
Um die Systemeigenschaft herauszufinden eignet sich die Impulsantwort des Systems.

Einfach mal anpulsen und schauen mit welcher Frequenz das System antwortet, wahrscheinlich eher ein ELF.

Schwere Metalle w?rde ich einmal dort sein lassen wo sie sind, feinverteilt in der Natur (Schmuddel).
Lieber mal mit nat?rlichen Gesteinsmehlen arbeiten (Quarzmehl soll auch gut gehen, achtung: sehr viele Variationen in Form der K?rner m?glich).
Pl?ttchenf?rmige Silikatgesteine (Schichtsilikate) kann man im Baumarkt als Gartenplatten bekommen.

Viele Gr??e
Karl


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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2007, 03:24:05 PM »
Hallo Karl
Vielen Dank f?r die prompte Antwort.
Das ist viel mehr,als ich erwartet hatte.
Da habe ich jetzt erst mal etwas zu lesen.
Danke
helmut

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 03:28:12 PM »
Leider spreche ich nur ein bischen Deutsch weil ich Holl?nder bin, aber vielleicht wollen sie die topic "Hutchison energy cell" mal lesen (im "Other battery systems").

I will continue in English if you don't mind.
I have done quite some research into this subject which is sometimes referred to as "petro-electrical effect".
Several inventors and researchers have done experiments with this, like mr. T. Brown in the 50s and 60s.
The modern versions of this research are done by Hutchison, whose resulting energy cells were made in varying designs and using varying materials. Hutchison terms them "Crystal energy cells", "energy scavenging units", or something similar. He made a few very expnsive and complicated designs using BariumTitanate, and in a later phase came up with what he called the "dirt cheap method" where he used only common rocks and household materials to make a low voltage permanent petrovoltaic energy cell. Clear descriptions of his experiments and procedures cannot be found on the web. I have some additional info though ;)
Another version of this same technology, allbeit slightly different, and researched and developed indepentently from Hutchison (as Hutchison is very incommunicative and almost never wants to correspond about the subject), is developed by a German who I will not reveal immediately as the man does not need to be flooded with information requests. If people are really anxious to contact him I might be able to ask him whether he is prepared to do so.
And of course I would never have figured out who was working on it if I hadn't formulated my own theory behind it and if I hadn't come up with a design that is extremely similar, if not identical to a point.

So in short: yes, it is possible. But no, there do not seem to be many natural rocks of the correct composition to actually yield the effect.
Mr. Brown had accidentally stumbled across a type of natural basalt rock that apparently had similar petrovoltaic characteristics, when he was researching high K (dielectric constant) materials. This is also how he came to study BariumTitanate...

Well I've dropped quite a few clues in the "Hutchison energy cell" thread in the "alternative batteries" category of the forum.
From what you guys have written in this thread I assume you will be able to piece together a lot more than the guys in the "Hutchison..."-thread were able to. ;)
Please read it and I'd like to hear your thoughts and reactions. :)

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 05:59:27 PM »
Hello Koen1
Goedeavond meneer.
Many thanks for the Input you  brought in here.
I will study the Hutchinson Thread and try to learn about the Matter.

It will take some time to do so.Because i am not familiar with this part of technology.
But i feel some Faszination about the possibility to harness some usefull Energy out of
Things,that we do not care for,but throw away.

Sorry vor my lousy english.
Nice to have you here too
helmut


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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 12:10:38 PM »
Hello Helmut.

Thanks for the kind welcome :)
Don't worry about your English, it is much better than my German ;D
(Your Dutch isn't bad either lol)

By all means, take your time to read through the stuff on the "Hutchison energy cell".
If you want me to explain or just give a short version of the story just ask.

As I said before, I have been in contact with a German inventor who has been working on this for the past years,
and I have adopted his production method as it is much less complicated, time-consuming, and expensive than my original production method.
I am still carrying out experiments, as is this German friend of mine, and it looks like I wil be able to finally carry out some high-temperature melting experiments in the near future.
My German friend is named in a few articles and is currently working with the Instit?t f?r Vacuumenergie, trying to develop his version some more and doing tests.
His name is Marcus Reid, and I believe he would prefer not to be contacted by lots of people. If you have questions I could ask them for you. But let's not bother the man too much, shall we? I don't harass him too much myself, only if I want to discuss experimental results or design variations.
I have a German article for you to read which clearly shows how your initial thoughts on rocks and this "energy cell" are connected:
http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
As you will see, not much clear information is given on the exact composition of the material.
This in not a coincidence: the exact composition is the entire trick. :)
It has taken quite a few years of study and experimentation to get to this point, and I assume you will understand that we are actually trying to develop this technology. Since it is not entirely my reseach I cannot give away all the details right now, I will have to ask my German friend if he agrees.
I can however answer your questions if you ask the right ones. ;)
And I am willing to discuss the subject. So if you want to ask or talk about it: fire away! 

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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
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Re: Schon mal einen Stein gepulst?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2007, 12:58:11 PM »
Hello Koen1

Thanks again.
During the next Days I will read everything i van get about the Hutchinson Cell.Just as you suggest.
The link to M.Reid is very rich on Information.
Perhaps after we have done some baseworks, you invite Mr.Reid to visit the Overunity Forum
and discuss about the matter of Crystall Cells.However ,it will not be waistet time.

Be shure,if i have quetions of any kind,i will ask you and others to learn about Stones.

helmut
Some Links:
http://www.qualight.com/petro/selfpot.htm
http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,972.0.html
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