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Author Topic: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention  (Read 17665 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« on: October 04, 2007, 04:18:32 PM »
Has anyone seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnRbF6eMSPU&mode=related&search=

Here' the patent: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,867,514.PN.&OS=PN/6,867,514&RS=PN/6,867,514

Since a patent has been granted one may suppose that a working model has been demonstrated to the Patent Office. What do you think?

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Offline JamesThomas

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2007, 06:35:48 PM »
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2007, 06:48:45 PM »
Since a patent has been granted one may suppose that a working model has been demonstrated to the Patent Office. What do you think?

Many patent applications have never been built or tested and will never become realised in real life.
Myself I don't get the idea of spending money and time on patenting just the idea.
Perhaps this motor have been built, perhaps not?
You patent an idea, not a working unit and this gets companies and people into hunting for good
ideas and lot's of stuff get's patented but never really built.


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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2007, 06:59:33 PM »
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).

j
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2007, 07:40:01 PM »
Interesting design there, Omnibus. Be nice to get some feed-back from some of the considerable-hands-on-experimentation-magnet-people here (I think that's the proper scientific title. Or is it Magnatist?).

j
What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.

Perhaps if what Omnibus stated is actually the case, the Patent Office should start making available the video that they took of the model that was submitted and tested during the Patent process.  The Patent Office could make the video available on the internet to the public, ensuring that a device is not only an idea, but an actual working model with test data from the model that was submitted for Patent...

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
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Offline Honk

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2007, 08:14:45 PM »
Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.

This is not true.
In my career within the telecom and electronics industry just a few of the patented inventions are tested for real.
And the device is never shown for the patent office. Just the papers.
But having the rights of an idea can be worth a lot more than actually building the device.
In a intellectual property issue it's better for a company to have a great number of patents to trade off to avoid a law suit.
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 11:04:39 PM by Honk »

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2007, 03:37:33 AM »
I saw this on youtube when it was first posted.  I dismissed it. I will believe it when I see the real world operation of a real world prototype.

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2007, 04:49:39 AM »

Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office


What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.

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Offline Nastrand2000

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2007, 04:55:01 AM »
all I can say is ironic and funny

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2007, 09:19:32 AM »
G'day all,

I have a filing cabinet full of patented magnet motors none of which work, including the much heralded Howard Johnson motor that no-one could get to work either.

But then, one of these days someone might invent one. It has been a long road between drinks though. :-)

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Offline Ergo

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2007, 09:27:46 AM »
I have a filing cabinet full of patented magnet motors none of which work, including the much heralded Howard Johnson motor that no-one could get to work either.

Have you tried to replicate the Wankel motor?

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2007, 09:35:28 AM »
No, and I am not about to either.

Let someone else SHOW that it works.

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2007, 11:19:39 AM »

Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office


What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
You mean to tell me that the Patent Office of the United States isn't non-nonsense? You gotta be kidding me?

On the other hand, the author must demonstrate a working model otherwise the patent should be overturned. I don't think the author can do anything with his patent (license it, sell it etc.) if he cannot demonstrate a working device. It would be just a useless piece of paper. I wonder if there's a procedure, initiated by concerned parties, which will invalidate the patent unless a woking demo is shown.

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Re: Frank Fecera's Permanent Magnet Motor Invention
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2007, 03:42:58 PM »

Stop cluttering the thread with your nonsense about the non-nonsense of the patent office


What magnetists? The Patent Office has awarded it a patent, who are we to argue? Patent Office doesn't just award patents for ideas but issues patents for working devices.
You mean to tell me that the Patent Office of the United States isn't non-nonsense? You gotta be kidding me?

On the other hand, the author must demonstrate a working model...
This is not true.

The US patent office has a poor reputation. A patent only means a little when the European grant comes through; even then, it only means something when it has been taken to court, and has won.

The only people who consistently make money out of patents ar ethe patent agents and the patent offices. Find out how many patents have even paid for their set up costs.

 

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