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Author Topic: quick idea - will this work?  (Read 14612 times)

Freezer

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Re: quick idea - will this work?
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2007, 12:22:37 AM »
I wonder if this technique could be of use for your idea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjWe6kLHcLU

armagdn03

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Re: quick idea - will this work?
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2007, 01:27:38 AM »
Good creativity!

Capillary action is a very interesting phenomenon,
The "sticky" point comes in removing either the water, or the mass from the top of the capillary tube. The same hydrogen bonding (vander wal forces) that creates the force, holds onto the water, or object at the top. Meaning that either you have to waste extra in removing the water or object from the tube, or leave it be....to be fueled by a secondary source, that receives its "extra" energy from else where. Nature has a wonderful solution. Its called transpiration, and it can be found most notably in trees. The extra, comes from the sun.

shruggedatlas

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Re: quick idea - will this work?
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2007, 03:07:49 AM »
Hello

sorry

it was a quick idea.. i realised this a couple hours after i posted it that it will not work.

sorry! i keep trying.

I know you admitted it would not work, but I am not sure if you realize why, exactly. The concept is called Hydrostatic Paradox. Most of the water in the large tank does not push on the water in the pipe at all.  It pushes down on the bottom of the tank instead.  Only the narrow column of water directly above the pipe mouth actually pushes on the water inside the pipe.  This is why there is not enough pressure on the water to lift it back to the top.

The following webpage explains it pretty well.  Note especially the striking example of the Hoover Dam holding back Lake Mead.  Whether the Hoover Dam holds back Lake Mead, which is 115 miles long and 600 feet deep, or instead a hypothetical Lake Mudd, which is also 600 feet deep but only 115 inches long, the horizontal pressure on the dam is exactly the same.

http://scubageek.com/articles/wwwparad.html

casman1969

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Re: quick idea - will this work?
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2007, 01:53:02 PM »
Here's my two cents worth..,
Take the original diagram and enclose it in glass or whatever, then submerge it so that the highest point of the outside water is above the top of the return/feed tube then we could place that feed tube with say rubber hose and put it outside the the enclosed tank. Would the rubber hose not react to the difference in pressure from outside to inside the tank thereby moving the water up????

In a half baked mood right now....

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Re: quick idea - will this work?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2007, 10:10:34 PM »
Here's my two cents worth..,
Take the original diagram and enclose it in glass or whatever, then submerge it so that the highest point of the outside water is above the top of the return/feed tube then we could place that feed tube with say rubber hose and put it outside the the enclosed tank. Would the rubber hose not react to the difference in pressure from outside to inside the tank thereby moving the water up????

In a half baked mood right now....

how about a drawing? thanks :)