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Author Topic: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?  (Read 83467 times)

hartiberlin

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2007, 10:38:06 PM »
Hi RadiantNRG,
many thanks for doing these great experiments
and uploading the videos.

I think, also looking at your scope shot videos, that we see
here Radio Frequency bursts with High Voltage effects combined.

Radio waves expecially in these high voltage burst oscillations tend to
move in standing waves or seek to move like this.

So your plastic tape isolated body still has more attraction to them then your
isolated metal plate.

So the neon bulb just is brighter, when your body touches it than the metal plate,
cause still more standing wave current will go through the neon bulb, when your
body is near it.

You can try to see, if you hook your neon bulb
with the non connected side directly to the positive terminal
of the battery and with the other side to the cap, if this
radio frequency burst will charge up your battery again
and thus will not discharge at all...

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But now a few questions about your arcing beads and the fan motor
you have driven.
Did you measure this with your scope ?
How does the voltage at the fan look alike ?
Could you do a video of this and state and show in it,
where the ground line is related to the voltage trace and
what amplifier setting and timing you have on the scope ?

What was the fan RPM and voltage rating from the manufacturer
and how many amps does it draw normally from a pure DC voltage
source ?

Also you showed the fan not running directly connected to your power supply,
but when you used the primary of the transformer and pulsed started it,
it then did run.
Did you measure then the voltage at the fan via the scope ?
Was this some kind of oscillation in the supply voltage going on ?
Did you also have an arcing bead then between the contacts ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #76 on: October 07, 2007, 11:44:36 PM »
I don't agree with you Stefan...when I tape a resistor to the outside of the bulb it lights up as well(and the time it should take parasitic C to charge the cap I would imaging would be much longer. But that's cool you guys can believe whatever you like.
Here' what I measured with the motors when a friend came over with his multimeter.... 119VAC@.45amps coming in from wall and 27VDC@2amps...I can't find my journal so I can't tell you the figures for the larger motor. Well the figures for the lil motor are more then the power supply was capable of delivering, and the wattage at the motor is .45 more watts then the wall was supplying. Well, when i find my journal I will give you more figures.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2007, 02:29:22 AM »
Here is a little test that i did with a wave gen and some ignition coils, flouro's and a neon.
Scotty

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2007, 11:18:54 AM »
Here is a little test that i did with a wave gen and some ignition coils, flouro's and a neon.
Scotty

Hi Scotty,well done,
but why do you drive with your first ignition coil the second and then use the low voltage output coil of the second
igintion coil ?
Normally it is enough to use the high voltage output of the first coil to feed the fluorescent bulb with single wire.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2007, 11:55:12 AM »
I don't agree with you Stefan...when I tape a resistor to the outside of the bulb it lights up as well(and the time it should take parasitic C to charge the cap I would imaging would be much longer. But that's cool you guys can believe whatever you like.
Here' what I measured with the motors when a friend came over with his multimeter.... 119VAC@.45amps coming in from wall and 27VDC@2amps...I can't find my journal so I can't tell you the figures for the larger motor. Well the figures for the lil motor are more then the power supply was capable of delivering, and the wattage at the motor is .45 more watts then the wall was supplying. Well, when i find my journal I will give you more figures.


Hi RadiantEnRg,
yes, I would like to see more figures.

Was the 119VAC@.45amps going into your AC-DC converter power supply ?

Was this a 12 Volts fan motor which you drove then with 27 Volts ?

Did you use this pyroclay bead between it then ?

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Regarding your Avramenko plug setup with the ignition coil,
well we deal here with radio waves frequencies and high voltage,
so predicting, where the radiowaves go is very hard to predict.
It seems your body attracts nicely the radiowaves.

The neon bulb is just energized by radio waves and lights up
when radio waves go through it.

Anyway, to use this circuit you can either try to energize
the battery with the RF bursts or try to pulse the ignition coil
with a real power MOSFET, so you draw more arcs atthe HV output with it and
try the experiments from Markus Wagner,like these:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18346774@N00/archives/date-posted/2006/01/

Somewhere he also posted some videos of his arcs igniting his stones and beads
and making them glow, but I can?t find them right now...

Regards, Stefan.


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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #80 on: October 08, 2007, 03:27:32 PM »
Here is an answer from user RandiantNRG, who has in this moment problems to post:

For some reason I can no longer reply on the thread??...Anyway, I can see the RF field with my scope, it appears when i bring it in close, if it was RF going into the neon I would imagine that being right next to the HV lead would make it light up??...anyway I have some done a couple other tests that show it isn't the EE explanation. But I truly don't care what others think.As for the motor test, yes 119VAC@.45amps was true RMS into power supply, As for the 27V that was on the lil motor. the big motor had slightly less, I can't tell you exactly, but it's wattage was less then input, so my theory on asymmetrical geometry seems to hold water.(as the lil motor had a COP>1). Anyway I am getting tired so i am gonna pass out.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #81 on: October 08, 2007, 11:11:49 PM »
Ups,seems I had clicked the lock button on this thread, now it is unlocked again.
Sorry about this.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #82 on: October 09, 2007, 07:59:11 PM »
If you have not done so already, I would check out JNL labs, you can search for it on google, and check out his replication of this. (if it can be called that since he did it first!) it looks almost like you stole his model and passed it off as your own its so similar!

But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #83 on: October 10, 2007, 10:39:35 AM »
Ok....first thing first...I never claimed it as mine....It's an Avremenko Plug...a russian patent based experiment, you can find it here   http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm

Secondly I came here to show you guys what I did with my arc test....No need to imply things...(never remember claiming anything other then it worked)


Well here it is  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6THY-4CYPXP3-V&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=06c2a6bc1ae3d0e97a7fdbc24994a612

It's exactly what I did..The clips I were using were stainless....and the plasma is in that beautiful spark of mine. The reason that a small 30v power supply worked....that's the tricky part, It goes like this...what have I told you about my experiments....1. The power supply puts out pulsed DC...a saw tooth wave.....2.The circuit is pumped through a bifilar toroidal choke(which shelters the lil transistor...from the BEMF of the microwave transformer....The BEMF is the one that is really sparking over and making the arc.....after all it's infinite...well there it is.....do me a favor and please don't point fingers it's not nice!!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #84 on: October 10, 2007, 10:45:27 AM »
If you have not done so already, I would check out JNL labs, you can search for it on google, and check out his replication of this. (if it can be called that since he did it first!) it looks almost like you stole his model and passed it off as your own its so similar!

But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out.


"But you should make an antannae for the neon discharge lamp, make one that is tall, and one that is very capacitive. Will the vertical arial collect more energy or the one with more surface area? this is very important to figure out"

Regarding this...according to Bedini/Bearden it is all about R...native R, meaning the resistive nature of the antenna as a whole....so the geometry plays a BIG role...so a lot of surface area is great...but also being a thin wire is great too....Radiant is said to increse with impedance

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2007, 11:29:19 AM »
One other thing I think is very important to this....resonance is key to a good constant spark...If you are out of resonance a spark will still occur but intermittent. The power supplies that have worked are very high frequency, The ones that worked the best are PWM's they have a sensing loop that triggers discharge of a small cap giving the sharp impulses....But if you are interested in just making the n-type diodes, A high frequency pulsing circuit would do the trick..it just wouldn't be COP>1...resonance holds the input electrons in a kind of "flux" they are not allowed to leave....this then lets ambient energy come in. But anyway I need to get back to my work.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2007, 12:01:55 PM »
Regarding the link about plasma arcing to make diodes...I just want to make it clear that I am not saying that's exactly what I made...simply that is the proscess...the intense heat of the plasma and the aperance of smoke tells me that CO2 is the gas here...as I used stainless steel...there is probably some Feo2 and Cro2 in there as well....but non the less it was excited in one direction, meaning the layering is atomically aligned, most likely making a type of semiconductor.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #87 on: October 10, 2007, 12:41:45 PM »
Hi RadiantEnRg,

please, if you have a minute,
could you please draw up at least a block circuit diagram,
how you connected the clay bead and the transformer
between your Power supply and the fan motor
and specify the fan motor.

Maybe you can do this in a more slow video, where you
describe and show in detail,
what you are using and where all the cables
go...
From all your videos you make all very fast and
assume, one knows, where the connections are,
but we as the viewers are "newbies" to your setup
and can?t exactly see where all theconnections go,
so it is very hard to follow, what you are exactly doing...
Also the youtube quality is not very good, so
sometimes one is missing a cable..

By the way, the video with the running starter motor, where
is went boom, did you drive the starter motor with just one wire
or was it hooked up between fan ground and power supply ?
What was the power supply ? AC or DC and what voltage ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #88 on: October 10, 2007, 03:25:17 PM »
sorry didnt mean to imply that you had claimed the idea or stole it or anything like that, I was just pointing out the how visually similar your setup looked to naudin's, so I was trying to say you litterally stole it, sorry joke gone wrong. But, I am going to pulse charge a 5kv cap tonight, get some silica dust from the enamel shop, and try making some beads on different metal surfaces and see if I get similar results.  Well see what happens!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #89 on: October 10, 2007, 03:31:38 PM »
Also you mentioned a PWM circuit that had a sensing loop. I have never seen a PWM built this way, usually they are motor speed control circuits that use a 556 chip (dual 555) set up in comparator form using a capacitor and potentiometer to control the CR timing (which is a function of the charging and discharging of a capacitor at a given resistance) They set out whatever signal you tell it to using the pot. Thats why its called pulse width modulation, because you vary the width of the pulse, which is almost always a square wave. If you had a feedback loop you would probably find the resonance of the motor, (if set up correctly) but you would not be able to "control" the speed of the motor efficiently which is what PWM is all about. Sorry if Im being picky, its just that I dont want people to get confused, its dificult enough to communicate over these blasted contraptions.