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Offline RadiantEnRg

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #120 on: October 12, 2007, 03:27:07 AM »
@Linda...I tested it with an multimeter....power supply V output is regulated by a 30V cap....Never goes above 27v...So believe whatever you want. It's BEMF spike that powers arc...SIMPLE AS THAT...this ENERGY IS FREE....made by "near" instantaneous change....Thats the fact of the matter.
I haven't read all the other posts...and am late for class will read up later

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #121 on: October 12, 2007, 08:12:23 AM »
@Armagdn03 yes that is a wonderful explanation....I couldn't explain it any better :)

@argona369...here's the thing about speed f light, it would seem that only whatever makes up voltage potential(be it "aether"...etc) travels at the speed of light...and it is proven that electrons move at "near" the speed of light. This makes sense if you think about what an electron is suppose to be...it's an sub-atomic particle....it has a tiny bit of mass...(b4 you say anything, I know we are taught to disregard this because it's close enough...or we are taught it's massless all together "I am making the crazy assertion that physics as we know it is not whole!!!!") Voltage potential is completely massless....or at least much closer...so voltage can beat electrons if we can switch fast enough.

@Everyone saying it just throws the regulated power supply out of regulation.....it's only regulated by a transistor that pulses a 30V cap via sensing loop!!!...so if I can get the motor going and the spark gap going(these are separate..ie not at the same time "meaning 2 tests")....they will harmonize with the pulsing!!!!! Not out of regulation....In sync with regulation!!!! Here is the un-changeable thing. The output is physically isolated from the 120VAC...both by an opto-isolator, and by a step down transformer that charges a 30v cap for supply power!!!...I would also like to stress, I had a 3rd party member of my H2Earth skype channel come out and take measurements!!!! Maximum voltage ever recorded from output was 27V!!!!!! PERIOD, game over!!
That's 27 volts supplied to microwave xformer....and 27v supplied to the small motor...funny thing is the big motor which is symmetrical in commutator construction DID NOT SPIN AS FAST, NOR WAS IT 27V!! IT WAS LESS!!

Get over it....sawtooth wave makes a HUGE BEMF spike..... /|/|/|/|/|/|/| .... violates no laws of physics..I am not saying xformer draws in energy..(only open circuits do that at resonance)...all I am saying is the normally grounded Back EMF is very powerful and we should start using it!!!!....Radiant energy is something else I am working on....nothing to do with motor...except the motor was COP>1.....(i believe it was resonating at the exact same pulse as the output "fluxing" the electrons to create EMF in motor coils....after all these are coils...off pulse of commutator is a sharp change in time!!!!)...oh one more thing, just to be clear.....Motor is ran w/o microwave xformer.....just power supply and motor fo that one!!! Power supply and microwave xformer for the spark gap test!!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #122 on: October 12, 2007, 08:30:43 AM »
Now, I am not saying anything bad about anyone here, I get why you must challenge/question things, it is how to prove/disprove stuff, after all we were all taught differently in school. I am a mechanical mind(who is just now learning digital electronics) and that is why I can see "how" this works(pure physics)....however, I don't have time to explain/defend my findings here, I am working on a deadline for another project and I have classes every weekday. So I will probably not come here so often to defend/explain my tests...Take them or leave them, I really don't care. I don't intend to become famous...blah, blah, blah...I truly just wanted to show people there "may" be another side of electricity that was frozen out of the market long ago. I would encourage people to start reading Tesla, and watch the Bearden videos..better yet buy his books,....He has a great new book out.....Awesome!!!....but ya, I might pop in time to time to see if anyone has any questions/ideas for me...But, I would encourage you to just buy the power supply off of Ebay.....Or just start taking them apart...Once you know what to look for, you will see that many are constructed this way and can be used for the sharp off spikes...If you have a scope it's that much easier...look for either a sharp Ton...or sharp  Toff (you will most likely find sharp Toff).....but here's the thing....it needs to pulsed by a sensing loop.....this makes synchronization easier!

Models that have worked so far: ADP-25HB, ADP-16B (I believe it's 16B)
Basically all Delta ADP power supplies...and an HP worked after I pulled out the ground....but experiment...Go to your local electronics recycler and look for rectangular power supplies...in the 14-30V .8-1.2amp  range..open em up and right away you will know...(you will see a large cap....a small step down transformer....and then a small cap on the output...it will also have an input choke, and an output bifilar choke.....So get some power supplies and take some measurements yourself (I have nothing to prove here)....You may be very surprised!!!

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #123 on: October 12, 2007, 08:35:28 AM »
Oops...One more thing that will make your replications work :)
I didn't get these results right off the bat...I was pulsing a cap by hand, over an over, soon I noticed that a patchy "corrosion" started to appear...I kept going, until this was larger, and then.....Low and behold it started arcing...so whatever that layer is it is beneficial,,,,I believe its a p-n type heterojunction diode (negative resistor diode)

But ya thats it...final post for awhile, good luck hope you get results

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #124 on: October 12, 2007, 06:26:53 PM »
@Linda...I tested it with an multimeter....power supply V output is regulated by a 30V cap....Never goes above 27v...So believe whatever you want. It's BEMF spike that powers arc...SIMPLE AS THAT...this ENERGY IS FREE....made by "near" instantaneous change....Thats the fact of the matter.
I haven't read all the other posts...and am late for class will read up later

It sounds as though you are not interested in subjecting your "facts of the matter" to any testing or to considering any theory except your own to explain what you observe.  Why do you bother to present your experiments, then?

All I am telling you, and others are saying the same thing, is that your demonstration could be much more convincing and get a lot more people interested if you simplified it by using a battery instead of a switchmode power supply and it still worked.  That seems pretty simple, and since you are already in posession of these magical beads, why not do the simple battery/bead/motor video demonstration and really get the interest going?  Lots of us would really like to see that, if you could do it.

Linda

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #125 on: October 12, 2007, 08:04:51 PM »
Well, I don't have a multimeter, and no longer have that particular power supply. In later tests/experiments I "fried" the power supply. Anyway I am going over to a buddies house who said he has lots of extra ones laying around so I will see if I can get one that pulses fast enough.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #126 on: October 12, 2007, 08:19:16 PM »
I can understand the frustration of RadiantEnRg, he was asked to participate here, and present, and sometimes people can come off as a little critical of others. I think it takes understanding on both sides.

Thank you though for comming here and posting your results, im sure there are alot of people who are "browsers" who do not post, but are glad still that you are sharing with us. Please keep doing so, and dont let people get to you, I even know people who have gotton almost jelous of others progress, simply because it was not their own idea.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #127 on: October 12, 2007, 09:16:44 PM »
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All I am telling you, and others are saying the same thing, is that your demonstration could be much more convincing and get a lot more people interested if you simplified it by using a battery instead of a switchmode power supply and it still worked.  That seems pretty simple, and since you are already in posession of these magical beads, why not do the simple battery/bead/motor video demonstration and really get the interest going?  Lots of us would really like to see that, if you could do it.

Well, I don't have a multimeter, and no longer have that particular power supply. In later tests/experiments I "fried" the power supply. Anyway I am going over to a buddies house who said he has lots of extra ones laying around so I will see if I can get one that pulses fast enough.

Now I am really confused!  The idea is don't use a power supply...don't use a multimeter...just use a battery, your bead and the motor.  Do the same experiment as the first video, just replace the power supply with a battery.  Then see if your motor speeds up when you go through the bead instead of direct.  Do you understand what is being asked for?  Or is there something special about the combination of your particular power supply and this bead thingy that makes the extra power in your mind?  Please explain for those of us not as gifted intellectually.  Thanks!

Linda

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2007, 10:06:54 PM »
I believe one could use a battery, but you would have to use a 555 timer and "enginner" a biased ac/dc signal with sharp wave forms. But........i think that if the bead is acting as a negative resistor (spark gap) then the wave forms that come off of it should resemble this.

I gave a link a bit back to a guy that made negative resistance resonators by placing a pin against a slightly corroded piece of metal (he used heat to oxidise the surface a bit I think) with a dc input he was able to get frequencies in the audible range and hooked speakers up to the circuit to proove it to himself. im quite sure there is nothing special about the bead....its just a spark gap.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #129 on: October 12, 2007, 10:34:12 PM »
I believe one could use a battery, but you would have to use a 555 timer and "enginner" a biased ac/dc signal with sharp wave forms. But........i think that if the bead is acting as a negative resistor (spark gap) then the wave forms that come off of it should resemble this.

I gave a link a bit back to a guy that made negative resistance resonators by placing a pin against a slightly corroded piece of metal (he used heat to oxidise the surface a bit I think) with a dc input he was able to get frequencies in the audible range and hooked speakers up to the circuit to proove it to himself. im quite sure there is nothing special about the bead....its just a spark gap.

@RadiantNrG

I thought the power supply was providing 27V DC, well-smoothed and filtered by its 30V capacitor.  Is that incorrect?



Linda

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Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #130 on: October 12, 2007, 10:58:48 PM »
A little story to explain some things to younger people.

When I was fresh EE graduate a long time ago, I moved to my first job and asked a newly made friend if he could lend me a power supply so I could align an FM transceiver that I was converting from commercial to Ham radio use.  This friend was a top-notch Engineer with decades of experience and also a Ham radio operator.  After a while I became very frustrated because the normally simple alignment was giving me a lot of problems.  After quite some time, I came to the conclusion that at certain voltage settings his power supply was oscillating and even worse the frequency was around 455 kHz exactly the IF frequency.  He was extremely embarassed, but I rubbed it in anyway, since a really good Engineer would have put a small resistor or ferrite bead on the base of the series pass transistor.

I know of another case where a young Engineer designed an audio intercom system that was used overseas on a top secret project.  Lo and behold, the intercom was oscillating in the FM radio band and all conversations could be heard on a normal FM radio.  So you can see, whether young or old, you can always learn.  I am an elder and I learn many things every day, in spite of 40+ years of professional engineering experience.

Dear RadianNRG, please do not take any comments as being negative, any criticism is positive and is meant to help and clarify the situation.  Maybe you think older, more experienced participants and Engineers are old foggies and don't understand.  I hope the above examples will make it clear that we are all working for the same goal and trying to multiply our individual intelligence through co-operative discussions on a non-emotional, intellectual basis.  There is a big difference between negative criticism and positive criticism.  I have seen absolutely no negative criticism in any postings.

Perhaps one of the most important things I have learned over the years, is that you are blind without an oscilloscope.  You can make a quickie measurement of a power supply with a multimeter, but you should be aware that this does not tell you very much.  In this particular case, only an oscilloscope will show if the regulated power supply is oscillating due to external influences.  An Engineer without an oscilloscope is like a pianist without a piano.

Having a couple of batteries around is always a good idea.  One time I was breadboarding a linear RF fiber optic prototype and was having problems.  The RF preamp had about 40 dB gain and the fiber optic link another 15 dB, at the same frequency and from the same power line.  I disconnected the power to the preamp and powered it from a battery and the problem disappeared.  An additional RF choke and by-pass capacitor in the RF preamp solved all troubles. 
I bought a couple of auto accessory 7Ah battery packs with cigar lighter jack, modified them with additional bannana jacks and keep them charged up.  One for 12V or two in series for 24V.  They come in very handy; would not like to be without them.

In any case, my sample of pyroclay should arrive sometime and I will try a few experiments myself.  Houston, we see molten lava down there........

Regards, Earl
« Last Edit: October 12, 2007, 11:50:40 PM by Earl »

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #131 on: October 13, 2007, 12:04:08 AM »
@ linda, he had an earlier post where he showed how he hooked into the power supply, and I do believe he bipassed the smoothing capacitor. could be wrong though

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #132 on: October 15, 2007, 08:52:05 PM »
In later tests I bypassed the smoothing cap and used pulsed rectified DC(thats why it fried)...However, in all of my videos(the original ones) I used the actual output, which never saw anything more then 27V, due to stepdown xformer. Also the max amperage was 2amps....the voltage has a limit, and it seems the only thing I could "de-regulate" was the amperage, because it was only suppose to supply .87amps. So to just clarify, pulsed DC power supply, /|/|/|/|/|/|......and coil, thats and a lil manual "coaxing" is all you will need to tap BEMF potential.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #133 on: October 16, 2007, 01:29:32 AM »
Hi All,
I just tried this with just a battery.

I had 8 pieces of AA MiMh cells in series with a total of 11Volts freshly charged.

So then I used a few different coils in series with this battery and going to
a 12 Volts DC motor.

I then used different contact materials like pencil graphite ( which has clay in it !)
on copper or pencil graphite on iron or copper on iron, etc...
but always the direct connection did make the motor run
faster and when I drew an arc at the contact point,
always the motor did run slower,
cause much of the energy was then used up in the arcing
putting out heat and RF energy.

Okay, I didn?t try pyroclay cause I don?t have it,
but now I believe, user RadiantNRG has just jammed his
power supply with the arcing and thus it produced more
output voltage.

Please user RadiantNRG try it yourself again with a 12 Volt
battery and let us know the results.
If you don?t have a 12 Volt battery and don?t want to buy one.
well, at least try to get from somewhere a Kill-a-Watt meter,
so you can measure the input power into your power supply
and see, if you heat the pyroclay bead and your motor runs
faster, if you draw also much more input power ?

As long as these tests have not been done, one can really not say
anything about this...

Now I am going to try the other circuit with the transformer pulsing...


Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Negative resistance via pyroclay.com material ?
« Reply #134 on: October 16, 2007, 08:14:43 AM »
Hi All,
I just tried this with just a battery.

I had 8 pieces of AA MiMh cells in series with a total of 11Volts freshly charged.

So then I used a few different coils in series with this battery and going to
a 12 Volts DC motor.

I then used different contact materials like pencil graphite ( which has clay in it !)
on copper or pencil graphite on iron or copper on iron, etc...
but always the direct connection did make the motor run
faster and when I drew an arc at the contact point,
always the motor did run slower,
cause much of the energy was then used up in the arcing
putting out heat and RF energy.

Okay, I didn?t try pyroclay cause I don?t have it,
but now I believe, user RadiantNRG has just jammed his
power supply with the arcing and thus it produced more
output voltage.

Please user RadiantNRG try it yourself again with a 12 Volt
battery and let us know the results.
If you don?t have a 12 Volt battery and don?t want to buy one.
well, at least try to get from somewhere a Kill-a-Watt meter,
so you can measure the input power into your power supply
and see, if you heat the pyroclay bead and your motor runs
faster, if you draw also much more input power ?

As long as these tests have not been done, one can really not say
anything about this...

Now I am going to try the other circuit with the transformer pulsing...


Regards, Stefan.

I agree completely.  It seems like so many of these stories start out claiming one straightforward effect that seems anomalous but by the time four or five posts are made, the story has branched out so many ways with so many added elements, new conditions and various theories and arguments that the original idea is lost in a fog. 

Science moves in little steps, each one carefully stripped of all presumptions and assumptions.  Every step involves testing and observing and trying to explain the observed results first using known conventional phenomena.  Here, in most cases, too many variables remain undefined and non-conventional conclusions are leapt to without ever even stating the setup and observations clearly.  It's impossible to replicate such undefined experiments, not to mention pointless. 

I still don't know what the original setup was on the "speeding motor" experiment and I don't think any two readers share the same vision.   I don't think there was an external coil in it, was there?

Linda