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jacob

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #435 on: November 08, 2007, 03:00:57 PM »

@Grumpy
A spinor is the simple answer. Sorry if I hadn't made the point before -- I thought I had...


Simple? Here's a citation from: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/spinor.htm

The concept of spinor is now important in theoretical physics but it is a difficult topic to gain acquaintance with. Spinors were defined by Elie Cartan, the French mathematician, in terms of three dimensional vectors whose components are complex.

You are right about the need for simple answers, but spinors are far from simple. Plus, they are out of context here because the inventor is not trying to confuse anyone with complex theory but rather to convey a picture of how the TPU operates. What we ought to be interested in is a theory that explains high power output in simple terms, that is easy to implement, and that is in agreement with TPU architecture and as much as possible with physics.

In the current context, spinors are however really useful to create a new spin and send everyone in the wrong direction.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #436 on: November 08, 2007, 03:03:33 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:05:52 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #437 on: November 08, 2007, 03:29:09 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:06:52 PM by Grumpy »

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« Reply #438 on: November 08, 2007, 03:30:44 PM »
how about,
clock-wise on the outside and counter-clock-wise on the inside?
well or the way around.
maybe i could better call it "horizontal" and "vertical"  ::)
no no to me it still is counterclockwise and up.

M.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #439 on: November 08, 2007, 03:40:52 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:08:15 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #440 on: November 08, 2007, 03:48:09 PM »
Reading some more of George Adam's works and we see that the sun and earth are coupled elctrically - whoa!

hmm - "it requires a current movemetn to produce a rotation"...

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #441 on: November 08, 2007, 06:14:51 PM »
For a long time I have been puzzled by the following question from Steven:

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"Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?"

I couldn't tell what the ramification would be at all! Reason is that I was visually picturing the "two directions" as happening in 2 different cartesian planes.

@Grumpy
A spinor is the simple answer. Sorry if I hadn't made the point before -- I thought I had. like everyone else, I dont know exactly what SM meant by that comment -- he could have just been posing a question that interested him. He could have been trying to imagine why the TPU actually worked -- who knows? However, the only way to make a ball spin in two directions at once is a spinor. ... just last night I realized another very simple field arangement that fits the TPU and spinor models. I will animate it and write up the explanation as soon as I can - if nothing else it offers a new timing method for driving the top and botom control coils and it also supports a top and bottom crossover scheme like Otto came up with for his collector in the ECD.

cheers

mark.

Mark

It is so simple to visualize the mixing of 3 frequencies. Have you heard of 3D lissajous figures?

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #442 on: November 08, 2007, 06:16:07 PM »
how about,
clock-wise on the outside and counter-clock-wise on the inside?
well or the way around.
maybe i could better call it "horizontal" and "vertical"  ::)
no no to me it still is counterclockwise and up.

M.

lol!!


what is the secreat lol


tesla of course     who was tesla lol

it aint that hard lol       i lay my foudation blocks now  for the answers   of the future  they all lie in the mistaken from the past   lol


ist

@dansway where are you ?? and all your hard work my friend  ;) a great job i might add and i aint seen it all yet but you see it all fits

lol  this is the real game
« Last Edit: November 08, 2007, 06:38:06 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #443 on: November 08, 2007, 06:28:12 PM »
When we send a sharp pulse simultaneously through two opposing coils, the same phenomena happens as when electrons are suddenly put in motion in a conductor: a stream of radiant energy, cold electricity or whatever you want to call it comes out of the conductor perpendicularly, thus placing a tiny charge in metals nearby. In this case the nearby metal is the collector. Thus, for each coil firing, a small charge appears in the collector. This account for what is referred to as the small kick. This coil/circuitry system forms what is referred to as the power source in the following quote:

Quote from: SM

You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

The "power source" coils are the internal control coils. For a copper collector, they are driven either at around 5khz, or at around 6khz. Anything too close to the middle (5.5khz) would be extremely risky.

Now if the collector coil is placed inside of a rotary magnetic field, these charges are sent into a circular motion at a speed caracterized by the rotational frequency. In the TPU, this rotational frequency is made up of two components which, through heterodyning, creates a third frequency. Actually, it creates more than one additional frequency, but for all practical purposes, the most important component and the one we are interested in is the difference between those two initial frequencies. This third component happens to be in the Schumann range. The initial components are in the 35K range and thus, are separated by a very small value. This coil/circuitry arrangement forms what is referred to as the "signal source" in the above quote. Those coils are the outside control coils. In the open unit, they are represented by the four coils placed radially at 90 degrees intervals

Now, when the RMF frequencies are just right for the collector diameter, and when the Schumann component is pure enough, something special happens: the small kicks suddenly becomes large kicks. Steven talks about it in those terms:

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I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way that passing the sound barrier was accomplished.

It is a tremendous amount of energy. Once again:

Quote from: SM

His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . .

This is when magnetic reconnection kicks in. When it does, the small charges that were previously placed on the collector at each coil "firing" are not static anymore. They become powerful streams of electron moving in both directions at the same time. However, because of the signal source RMF, the current is polarized in one direction. But this polarization cannot prevent the circulation of electron in the opposite direction, which is probably the cause for the intense heat generated in the collector.

For this to happen, the catalyst frequencies must be extremely pure. Keep in mind that because of the ratio involved (35 khz to 7.x hz) any imperfections in the initial frequencies will be amplified thousand of times in the Schumann component.

When the device is first turned on, either by placing magnets nearby the outside control coils or by using an external power source, the first section to become alive is the signal source subsystem. The RMF created generates a small current in the collector coil like described by SM in different occasions:

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If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.

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You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely.

You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.

This small current is used to slowly charges the firing capacitor in the power source subsystem. When the charge is adequate, discharge occurs thereby producing a small excess of power as previously described. This in turns allow the firing capacitor to recharge slightly more rapidly with each firing, which produces a steady increase of the firing frequency until it reaches its designed operational frequency. This steady revving up produces an effect similar to a "jet turbine".

Basically, the TPU is a very simple device.

Quote from: SM

I had only this to go on when I started and little by little I figured out how to make many several thousands of kicks per second. . .

AND YOU KNOW WHAT, IT ISN"T DIFICULT AT ALL.

No, I take that statement back. Actually it is difficult if you refuse to start thinking. Some of the information I have given to you is golden. I have certainly given you enough information to move in the right
direction.

I will continue to give you more information but I am so disappointed with the complete lack of ability I see in most everyone so far.

Sincerely,

SM.

I guess anyone with a basic understanding of electronics and some test equipment should now be able to build a working TPU. So warm up your soldering irons and go for it! Don't forget however that the processes described above require high voltages. Using a 5v supply just won't do it!

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #444 on: November 08, 2007, 06:45:09 PM »
@jacob

lol


do it go hurt yourself lol

it will be your fault no body eleses   


what good will this tech do any one if that can not grasp how and why??

research was done years ago  as were the pattends  lol  we are the ones that are behind  ;)

far more than the tpu here folks  8)

 


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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #445 on: November 08, 2007, 06:48:10 PM »
@Jacob

Good analysis. But I think the wire analogy means what would happen if you had both a magnet move over a wire, plus a frequency vibrating the wire in a magnet.

And don't forget. Your design has to work with two pieces cut out. One at 9 and one at 12 o'clock. Ouch again.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #446 on: November 08, 2007, 06:55:12 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:08:05 PM by Grumpy »

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« Reply #447 on: November 08, 2007, 07:58:02 PM »
what good will this tech do any one if that can not grasp how and why??

research was done years ago  as were the pattends  lol  we are the ones that are behind  ;)

far more than the tpu here folks  8)

Not sure what you mean.


@Jacob

Good analysis. But I think the wire analogy means what would happen if you had both a magnet move over a wire, plus a frequency vibrating the wire in a magnet.

And don't forget. Your design has to work with two pieces cut out. One at 9 and one at 12 o'clock. Ouch again.

Wattsup, I don't know how or where you came up with these concepts, but they are not supported by anything I have heard or seen so far. Ouch!


Attached is a PDF of Jacob's explanation, in case he has a change of heart after everyone waste their time bashing his explanation rather than taking a crack at it.

 :D

Jacob, have you looped it back yet?  If so, how did you protect from runaway?

If the frequencies are tightly controlled, runaway won't happen. Which doesn't mean that proper security measures don't need to be implemented. These were described by SM:

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Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time.
However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own.

This is important for obvious reasons.

Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage.

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« Reply #448 on: November 08, 2007, 08:11:28 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:08:44 PM by Grumpy »

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« Reply #449 on: November 08, 2007, 08:31:23 PM »
Wait a minute...

This is too simple and I am already confused  :-\

You describe two sets of control coils.  One inside initiating the kicks, and another set creating the RMF.

Now, looking at the RMF set, driven with freqs in the 35kHz range (7.xx apart), how are these coils creating an RMF?

I posted that a long time ago, but for your benefit, here it is again.

To create the RMF in a device such as the open unit, use a circuit similar to this one: