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Offline MACEDONIA CD

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« Reply #255 on: October 14, 2007, 04:07:01 PM »
no ronote  i no play game whit all 
 listen i simple  if you translate this  you can read some good things and whill see that is not joke is real things  there you can see a formula  ho explane everthing  and you  can find the way to put this formula to make tpu  <<<< explane    you have two energy  first is  magnet fild  then second  is speed  if you any of this if you increase  if speed  or mag. filds  you can created power how you need >>>>
i say in my languege   this  you can find i way toincrase the mag . fild  whit so smlall energy  << i mean  elktri or  permanenet magnet ho whill need like a source energy only to start this   you dont need only elektric energy to start you make whit  only a small per. magnet  >> EXPLANE  AND LITLE HELP  TO ALL
WHAT WHILL HAPEND IF YOU PUT PERM. MAGNET TO MANY WIRES AND COIL  ONLY  A JUST A SECOND YOU CAN SEE A KICK 

AND THAT KICK IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE 10000 OR MAYBE  MAORE  HO WHILL DEPENDET OF YOU HOW IS MADE  CONTROL COILS

  1 -- IF YOU STRAT WHIT MAGNET  THAT IS SOURCE ENERGY HO IS INDEPENDET OF CONTROL COILS  2
2-- IF YOU PUT BATERY  WHIT START JUST A SECOND WHIT DC V  .. THEN THIS DC GOES TO CONTROL COILS    AND YOU IS IMPORTANT  HOW IS MADE CONTROL COIL  THAT COILS  IF YOU FIND EXSATLY WAY TO PRODUCED 10000 OR MORE KICK JUST  WHIT ONE KICK
A THAT FIRST KICK IS NOT HOW YOU WHILL BE MADE YOU HAVE TO WAY TO MAKE FIRST KICK <<< BATERY OR PER. MAGNET>> THIS IS NOT VERY IMPORTAN WAY YOU WHILL HOW TO MAKE A KICK  >>> BUT IS VERY IMPORTANT  CONTROL COIL  NOTHING ELSE
AND IN THE END  YOU CAN FIND HOW TO PUT COLECTOR COIL TO CATCH TE MAG .FILD HO WHILL GENERATED CONTROL COILS   
YOU SEE THIS PITURES I HAVE SEND ONLY THIS WAY TO MAY CONTACT MAGNET FILD WHIT ANTHER << I MEAN CONTROL WHIT  COLECTORS COILS  I SOON WHIL POST VIDEO TO SEE  AND  TONIGHT WHIL POS SIMPLE PDF  EXPLANE  BY

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #255 on: October 14, 2007, 04:07:01 PM »

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« Reply #256 on: October 14, 2007, 04:07:16 PM »
no ronote  i no play game whit all 
 listen i simple  if you translate this  you can read some good things and whill see that is not joke is real things  there you can see a formula  ho explane everthing  and you  can find the way to put this formula to make tpu  <<<< explane    you have two energy  first is  magnet fild  then second  is speed  if you any of this if you increase  if speed  or mag. filds  you can created power how you need >>>>
i say in my languege   this  you can find i way toincrase the mag . fild  whit so smlall energy  << i mean  elktri or  permanenet magnet ho whill need like a source energy only to start this   you dont need only elektric energy to start you make whit  only a small per. magnet  >> EXPLANE  AND LITLE HELP  TO ALL
WHAT WHILL HAPEND IF YOU PUT PERM. MAGNET TO MANY WIRES AND COIL  ONLY  A JUST A SECOND YOU CAN SEE A KICK 

AND THAT KICK IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE 10000 OR MAYBE  MAORE  HO WHILL DEPENDET OF YOU HOW IS MADE  CONTROL COILS

  1 -- IF YOU STRAT WHIT MAGNET  THAT IS SOURCE ENERGY HO IS INDEPENDET OF CONTROL COILS  2
2-- IF YOU PUT BATERY  WHIT START JUST A SECOND WHIT DC V  .. THEN THIS DC GOES TO CONTROL COILS    AND YOU IS IMPORTANT  HOW IS MADE CONTROL COIL  THAT COILS  IF YOU FIND EXSATLY WAY TO PRODUCED 10000 OR MORE KICK JUST  WHIT ONE KICK
A THAT FIRST KICK IS NOT HOW YOU WHILL BE MADE YOU HAVE TO WAY TO MAKE FIRST KICK <<< BATERY OR PER. MAGNET>> THIS IS NOT VERY IMPORTAN WAY YOU WHILL HOW TO MAKE A KICK  >>> BUT IS VERY IMPORTANT  CONTROL COIL  NOTHING ELSE
AND IN THE END  YOU CAN FIND HOW TO PUT COLECTOR COIL TO CATCH TE MAG .FILD HO WHILL GENERATED CONTROL COILS   
YOU SEE THIS PITURES I HAVE SEND ONLY THIS WAY TO MAY CONTACT MAGNET FILD WHIT ANTHER << I MEAN CONTROL WHIT  COLECTORS COILS  I SOON WHIL POST VIDEO TO SEE  AND  TONIGHT WHIL POS SIMPLE PDF  EXPLANE  BY

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #257 on: October 14, 2007, 04:08:16 PM »
@Roberto

Thanks you for your comments. I will look again at the coils.

@All

OK, I looked for some more goodies and found two.

1) There is in fact a coil#3 on leg #3 but it is not horizontal wound so the leg cannot go through the center. It is vertical wound and then taped to the leg #3. That is why when you see the image top view, there is nothing shiny showing like the magnet locations and the top of the metal box. That is also why this leg #3 has tape wrapped vertically. So he has coil #1 and #2 are horizontal wound and coil#3 that is vertical wound. Also Coil#2 has another device taped to the outer side as shown in the photos above. Keep this in mind.

Also, after more observation I would say the winds are as follows.

Coil #1 and #2 are 8 turns, two layers.
Coil #3 is 4 turns, four layers.
In all, I would say at this point each coil has 16 winds.
Also, it seems there is only one Litz going from the circuit to Coil #2, Coil#2 goes to Coil #3, then Coil#3 goes to Coil#1 and there is one wire going from Coil#1 to the circuit board. This means the coils are all in series, which would be logical if you were looking to build higher voltage.

2) This is a major freaker. When he is putting on the magnets, with his right hand, he puts the magnet on Coil#1 without any problem. He then transfers the second magnet form his left hand to his right hand and puts it on Coil#2, again without any problem. But for no apparent reason, he then approaches his left hand to the side of Coil#2 and you can clearly see his left hand index finger pushes on the device that is taped to the side of Coil#2. This is at 34:57. If you are not asked to notice this, you will not as it is done in the normal flow of movement. His heart must have been beating faster then ever as I am sure he did not want anyone to notice this. You have to see it to believe so by all means. Also to hear it because you can here a tic-tic sound as he pushed the switch. So all indications show that it is switch activated. It is also a funny coincide that this is the leg I had indicated may have some small batteries. Coincidence?

I will be revising the diagram to show these new observations.

More to come.....

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
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« Reply #258 on: October 14, 2007, 04:35:25 PM »
@ Wattsup

I personally believe he used at least watch size batteries in the small units, to start them, up to two to three 9 volts in the larger units.  This does not bother me at all, but it would seem that there was great concern on the part of UEC, that it would bother the investors and they would not understand.

This is just my personal opinion based on my own observation.  Also, none of the engineer reports speak of the units being started with a magnet.  No need for those guys to think otherwise, they understood the significance of SM's achievment based on the Watts per hour output and that NO BATTERY of the weight of the units could output the shown wattage. 

You are doing good work!   ;D
Bruce

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TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #259 on: October 14, 2007, 05:25:04 PM »
@Wattsup

I thought the openTPU had 4 coils spaced 90 degrees.  You only talk in your last post about 3 coils.

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« Reply #260 on: October 14, 2007, 06:07:17 PM »
hi guys

the open tpu has 4 control coils but are they hookd up in pairs? hummmm......

and fire 2 at a time 180 deg kinda like my 15" ring it has 6 controls and they could be hooked up this same way 2 controls coils fireing  @ the same  time and rotating around 120 deg each time they fire



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ha the more i write the more i think lol!!

ok how bout this if we are hooking them up in pairs ....   we should have 1 side of the pair go through a phase invertor so we have a + coil and a - coil comming on at the same time within the pair of coils or if our wave was the right length then the coils could be all 1 wire in 4 segments and the sine wave will be the phase invertor no?   hummmm.....

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« Reply #261 on: October 14, 2007, 07:19:50 PM »
Hi all,

@Whattsup
I think as well that the Litz does connect in series all the coils #1,#2 and #3,  it is to gain voltage..I'm not so sure about your coil structure extrapolation....it's really difficult!
I'm quite sure that there are batteries in the round can and SM did activate them..by pushing action......this is not to detract anything.
At this point perhaps you will be so kind to try to setup a dranwig: it could be a base for discussion  as it must be clear for all the references to 4 horizonthal coil for the rot mag field and the 3 vertical coils in the interconnecting bars (?).

@MACEDONIA CD
well I'm waiting for your detailed explanations/results as you have said. In the mean time I'll pulse my 500 turns test kick coil with or without a DC bias and I'll post the circuit setup and the scope waveforms obtained with a quick NEO movement  (I've a storage scope so I don't need to make a film).
I think I've understood what you are trying to say but...... all seems quite normal operation: still no explanations about kicks multiplication.....please don't tell me that is all up to the control coil!!! All the guys in this Thread, since a long time, are trying in every way to design  a proper coil....if you have found a concrete solution you are warmly invited to show it to us ...we will be happy!

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« Reply #262 on: October 15, 2007, 01:27:46 AM »
 HOW MANY TIME TO TEEL YOU FOR ALL IN THE FORUM NOW I MAKE SOME TPU JUST LIKE THIS I HAVE TOLD YOU   I MAKE SOME GOOD PROGRESS  NOW I NEED TO BAY SOME WIRES TO MAKE BIGER TPU   IM SO  AND I DONT KNOW HOW TO EXPLANE SOME SIMPLE THINGS HOW IS TO MAKE THIS 

AGAIN
1-- START WHIT SIMPLE AND SMALL PUSH ENERGY THEN YOU  PUT THE CONTROL COIL TO THIS SOURCE ONLY ONE KICK OF PUT DC VOLTAGE SMALL  OR PER.MAG  ,, YOU DONT NOW HOW WHIT PERM .MAGNET 

NOW I WHILL TELL YOU
LISTEN   MAKE MANY NUMBER OF TURNS  WHIT SIMPLE WIRE  WHIT SOME LITLE CORE INSAID THEN THIS WIRE  HAS 2 ENDS OF WIRE  IN THIS ENDS YOU CAN SEE IN THE OSCILOSCOPE  IF YOU BRING SIMPLE MAG.  THEN  IN THE MOMENT WHEN YOU PUT MAG.  YOU WHILL SEE IN THE SCOPE. DC VOLTAGE HO IS TAKE SHORT TIME  OK  THIS IS  HOW TO MAKE A SIMPLE SOURCE  DC VOLTAGE SMALL THATS IM ONLY NEED SMALL DC WHITT SHORT TIME 
AND THIS SHORT IMPUSE GO TO THE CONTROL  COIL  ::::??{{{  THIS COIL  MUST BE MAKE IN THAT WAY LIKE  S.M IS MAKE  THAT IS LIKE THIS
LITLE EXPLANE ....  HIS VIDEO WHIT 2 MAG. AND 2 BULB   THIS TPU  HAS 4 COILS  * 2 IN ONE ALL THIS 4 *2 COILS IS CONECTED  IN SERIAL  WHIT 2 ENDS 
THIS IS IMPORTANT 
WHEN IS PUT 1 KICK  THEN THIS COIL PRODUCED 8 KICK  << LIKE  EARTH MAGNET FILD HO IS 8,7 Hz>>  ONLY ONE KICK FOR TO MAKE 8 KICK PER SECOND  HOW IS POSIBLE 
IF YOU MAKE LARGE MAG . FILD YOU CAN HAVE MORE POWER IN THE OUT  WHIT THE SAME 8 HZ    IF YOU INCRESE MORE LET SAY 2 KICK IN  energy you can have 16 hz
 but this is the periode when is put the surce is 8 cikluse  when you turn of the sorce you can have 16   wht frst on  then off input energy you can have 16 cikluse if you put just half  imen only on  then is 8 hz if you turn off you have anther 8 hz  and  you have sumary 16 hz whit only on and off  imean kick    . iIWHILL SEND  PDF  AND VIDEO SOON TO SEE MY FORK TPU   JUST  I HAVE TOLD SOME THINGS 

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« Reply #263 on: October 15, 2007, 03:49:04 AM »
Hi Guys,

I performed a number of exiciting experiments and got a bunch of cores to vibrate and resonate.

I then tried to tap these vibrations with pickup coils and a magnet (like a guitar pickup coil scheme)

I failed !!!    No signal.

The vibrations don't have enough amplitude to generate a signal above the noise floor of my scope.  :(

Does this mean I'm changing my view point?  Not at all.  

It is not coincidence that SM is operating the Open TPU at 6000 Hz, like we've seen.  It matches an acoustic standing wave. I was also watching the video again, and it's interesting, when SM mentions the "inherent vibration" of 6000 Hz, he circles with his finger around the TPU circumference, to show us its a ROTATION.

So, I'm thinking it's a bit too simplistic to just create vibrations with magnetostriction and then pick them up with a pickup coil and feed them back to the imput.  

I believe SM is also employing ROTATION.  It could be that he uses a 2-phase rotational scheme, but again at 6000 Hz for that added acoustic resonance and it's benefits of OU.

In any case, these are exiting times, we're zooming in on the solution rapidly.

EM

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« Reply #264 on: October 15, 2007, 04:08:18 AM »
@EM

Reporting either way is a great thing. I appreciate your effort. I wasted a lot of time trying to get results from the tiny movements. I was convinced I did something wrong until I just read your post. Maybe I didn't. It was probably the way you say on my bench as well.

And a big 10/4 on the rest of your comments!

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« Reply #265 on: October 15, 2007, 07:40:24 AM »
Hello all,

have you ever tried to use 12 - 13V AC instead DC from your power supply???

If you do so, then put a little magnet into your TPU.

Otto

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« Reply #266 on: October 15, 2007, 07:44:10 AM »
Hello all,

I forgot: hummmmmmmm!!!

Otto

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« Reply #267 on: October 15, 2007, 08:05:31 AM »
Hello all,

I forgot: hummmmmmmm!!!

Otto

what's so special about that?
this is the same way a speaker produces it's sound.

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« Reply #268 on: October 15, 2007, 08:38:02 AM »
Hello all,

yes, the speaker. But my frequencies are a lot higher. Im working with frequencies over 100kHz.

Forget my post.

Otto

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« Reply #269 on: October 15, 2007, 04:21:13 PM »
I am in the process of preparing a new updated drawing showing three coils, 4 collectors, a switch, etc., etc., but I have a side question for you guys with the math skills.

Since we know this device works at 6000 hertz, and it is producing 90 volts DC, are there any calculations that can be made to figure the energy transfer per iteration, between the coils, given an input energy of let's say 1.5, 3, 4.5 or 6 volts DC.

Also if such a calculation is possible, would this give a better understanding of the coil winding requirements?

According to my observations, there are two coils placed horizontal with 8 turns and 2 layer so there are 16 turns, and the third coil is placed vertical with 4 turns on 4 layers for another 16 turns.

The collectors I have observed have 11 turns each. (Could be 12)

So this gives 48 turns of coil and 44 turns of collector.
If we took 12 turns for the collector this would be 48 turns of coil and 48 turns of collector. Is this a coincidence?

All the best.

 

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