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Offline duff

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2007, 07:57:26 PM »
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« Reply #105 on: October 06, 2007, 07:57:26 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: October 06, 2007, 08:15:07 PM »
@Tao

Answering your questions - My comments in blue:

Where did you source your iron rods from, are they pure iron?

They are from bundles of marking flags sold in a hardware store. The diameter is a little over 2mm. They are somewhat stiff but brittle. I am sure they are just a very low quality steel. The bundle length is about 15 inches an diameter about 1.2 inches (fits in the spool center)

Am I to take it that you feedback power through your simple oscillator and your 2n3055 blew? Or did it blow simply because of too much driving power? :)
In this case I'm sure it blew because of overdrive or flyback. Base bias was just a variable resistor from the collector pin. PS current stayed under 1A. Voltage applied was 3.5DC. Collector coil is a 800ft. spool of 22ga. magnet wire. Feedback coil is a 1200ft. spool of 24ga. magnet wire. The 22ga. coil was between the collector pin and B+. The 24ga. coil is between B- and a capacitor (.1mfd) the cap is then connected to the transitor base.  A dirt simple 'blow me up circuit'

How strong were those 1 Hz thumps? Just wondering...

The bundle has some weight to it. Movement was axial and radial. Axial movement was enough to feel with fingers. Radial movement would have broken sheet glass from a common window.

I must say, the parametric array, and even more so, a simple ring formed of iron wire with driving coil(s) around it, driving a lower frequency 'longitudinal' 'sound/vibration' through the iron ring and at key successive moments when the LAST sound/vibration made its way back to its starting point, another was generated/driven into the iron so that these longitudinal sounds/vibrations ADDED, certainly would seem to related directly to our old friend the Hungarian: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html

Yes. The Hungarian again. I have no doubt his work can explain most of this - if not all.


Thanks!



Kicks from a vacuum tube?

I don't know what any books say as the ones referenced were not found by me but think about this:

A simple rectifier (get those dirty little SS thoughts out of your mind - TUBES) Even more simple than most would think of - I'm saying 'hot cathode'. That means the heater element is the only cathode - no metal sheath around it - no separate connection for the cathode. The only two elements in the tube are the plate and the heater.

Heater elements were made of many different things but most would be excellent magnetostrictive metals. And guess what? Like GK says 'the light is a residual effect' and so is the heat. The first thing that happens when you apply current to the heater is it has a sudden increase in length - then it glows. What about the required magnetic field you say? It is a current carrying wire - and the tube is a mini particle accelerator. What else do you want?

How does the heater voltage appear on the plate signal? Because the heater was AC. Hot cathode tubes were nasty amplifiers until some tricky LC heater circuits were done AND the separate cathode was introduced. The alternating heater current would modulate the plate signal ? and sometimes create a feedback loop, a great source of harmonics.

Anybody with some age has experienced this kick. Scopes are one-eyed monsters. Don?t let then ?narrow YOUR bandwidth?. You old folks remember the ?WUMPF? sound when you turned on the old tube radio? The heaters were not lit at that point!
How about now when you?re driving and some idiot has his stereo too loud? All you hear is ?THUMP-THUMP?THUMP-THUMP?. And when the fool cracks his window the thumping noise goes away but you notice it wasn?t the same rhythm of his music.

If it gets hot - SO WHAT? Heat is energy. I'll make use of it.
Bash the inventor - Already been done - wasting forum space IS MY JOB!
Only searching for the truth? Good - so am I.
Witholding information for personal gain sucks. Witholding information to prevent harm is bad enough.


Very good points BEP.

People, we have spent so much time trying to interpret SM's meaning of the KICK. The problem always being that in one instance he seems to refer to the KICK being mechanical, and in another instance he is referring to the KICK as solely electrical, as in increased power output. Why can't it be both? And if both, what better explanation than the KICK's relation to magnetostriction. After all, magnetostrictive metals, are also certainly conductors, so they can exhibit PHYSICAL KICKS AND ELECTRICAL KICKS all in the same instances, like BEP says.

SM's first look at the KICK came from the old TUBES, where he saw the KICKS, and you can be damned sure that being an 'audio guy', using tubes, he would certainly have heard the THUMP as BEP describees, and he would have seen what happens in the TUBES when this happens, and maybe, just maybe, his hearing these THUMPS and seeing these KICKS caused SM to do a little research and try to figure out WHY these were happening?!? Perhaps that is exactly how he found that one book he referenced for us, the one describing the KICKs interaction with the Earth? Wouldn't you do some research if you were wondering what the THUMPS were and why the elements in the TUBES do that?

All I am saying is, the use of magnetostrictive elements (steel, iron, etc.) certainly seem to fit everything SM was saying, but also seem to fit the likely research path of which SM embarked on to create the TPUs...

More later, as always........

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« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2007, 09:07:32 PM »
*** To everyone:
stop with all the preconceptions everyone!! Just bc SM made a TPU with heat as a byproduct doesn't mean a highly evolved TPU technology will also have heat; it is NOT a necessity.
Are we aiming to develop a "highly-evolved" TPU or just the TPU a la Mark? C'mon, crawl before you walk.

ALL the TPU devices Mark demonstrates exhibit wasteful heat, and this is part and parcel of the operation. So be careful about making preconceptions yourself here. Do some homework folks.

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either SM is a very very poor explainer; or he is very very good at misleading. So think OUTSIDE the box!!!!  :o

devilzangel
I'm afraid it is a case of neither. Your own inability to understand is what the problem is here.

Why folks won't do their homework to understand the information provided to them, staggers the imagination. I see now why SM was/is so disappointed with the lack of understanding, thinking and insight demonstrated by folks here. In particular most of the golden clues he gave us have either been ignored entirely, or misconstrued and misinterpreted to be something completely different.

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« Reply #107 on: October 06, 2007, 09:07:32 PM »
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« Reply #108 on: October 06, 2007, 09:17:49 PM »
I guess reading the full emails over 30 times has made me "dummer" z_p_e ;

I have also read your info too mate; dont get me wrong; For all the genius in this place, i wouldn't be surprised if it is one with the least "experience" in this field who would "stumble" upon the answer.

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« Reply #109 on: October 06, 2007, 10:33:18 PM »
TPU heat is not a problem. We can make many TPUs then connect to the load via an automatic switch. The switch controller will select the coolest TPU among them to the load.

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« Reply #110 on: October 07, 2007, 01:00:39 AM »
TPU heat is not a problem. We can make many TPUs then connect to the load via an automatic switch. The switch controller will select the coolest TPU among them to the load.

Exactly what I was thinking before. If for instance we HAD to live with the HEAT 'problem', we could easily use this technique as a sure fire method to avoid the HEAT issue, disregarding what you could use that HEAT energy for....

So, say a TPU could run for 1 hour and then it would get too hot, then you had to let it cool for 30 minutes for it to return to normal temp, you could just use two TPUs, run one for 1 hour, then switch to the other TPU which will run for another hour, and once that second TPU is ready to 'cool off', the first TPU would have already been cool for 30 minutes, so it would be very easy to switch back again. If it was the case that the cooling time was longer than the running time, you could just use 3 TPUs, which would easily solve that timing problem.

In regard to using the HEAT, that are A LOT of ways to USE the HEAT energy that is coming off a TPU, thereby cooling it enough to run forever.

Either way it's done, the HEAT 'issue' isn't really one...

It was an issue for SM because he was only considering the TPU in and of itself, without heat transmuting additions or multiples TPUs, he was only considering any single TPU device, in and of itself, so FOR SM, and his mindset of looking at the TPU like so, the heat 'issue' is an issue...

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« Reply #111 on: October 07, 2007, 05:08:48 AM »

2. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range

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9. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics.



I believe the first is SM and the second is Mannix.



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« Reply #112 on: October 07, 2007, 11:41:57 AM »
Heat production in a TPU is not a big problem, if you use elastic composite polymer ( soft polymer )material in a core. If the core material is too hard, so core material is mechanically stressed more by magnetostrictive particles when they are expanded under magnetic field, and this produces heat.

To have energy from external magnetic field, you must wobble the electron precession axis by phonon field ( electron-phonon coupling ). Phonon has a push effect to electron, and this causes also electron precession axis to wobble. During phonon pulses electron precession axis is aligned again to be in parallel direction with an external magnetic field. Static magnetic does the work and is a source for the energy.
Here is a calculator to look how electron precession frequency depends on external magnetic field.
To wobble electron precession by phonon pulses, you need to know this frequency.

http://gamma.ethz.ch/online/esr/vcalc/index.html

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« Reply #113 on: October 07, 2007, 03:24:20 PM »

Regarding the upside down turn off phenomena, I'm not realy sure why that happens?
and it sounds like SM didn't either.   Once we duplicate this thing we'll be able to experiment and find out why.

EM


The upside down turn off phenomena is because of Gravity's interaction.
This is also responsible for the weight loss and it is a result of the proper wing design.

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« Reply #114 on: October 07, 2007, 03:50:46 PM »

Regarding the upside down turn off phenomena, I'm not realy sure why that happens?
and it sounds like SM didn't either.   Once we duplicate this thing we'll be able to experiment and find out why.

EM


The upside down turn off phenomena is because of Gravity's interaction.
This is also responsible for the weight loss and it is a result of the proper wing design.

M.


Gravity can be involved here, but earth`s magnetic field`s direction is different in between north and south pole, also in between northern and southern part of the earth.Also earth`s magnetic field direction is almost vertical on the surface of the earth. When you change the direction of the magnetic field, so changes also direction of the electon spin precession. Now, if you have opposite electron spin direction in a tpu, than it is in a external field, you can not pump energy from this external magnetic field.
You can compare the electron spin precession to wobbling in a macro scale world, where spinning gyroscope wobbles when it spins. If you take energy from this wobble moment, it does not take energy from  the moving ( spinning ) mass energy of the gyroscope.

Esa



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« Reply #115 on: October 07, 2007, 05:00:36 PM »
Well, if the source of energy has a certain direction or polarity, then flipping the device would make it "pump" the wrong direction.  A sensor for this "polarity" would permit the connections to be reversed and flipping would no longer be a problem.

Now about SM's statement on finding the "circuit potential"...huge clue if we can figure it out.

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« Reply #116 on: October 07, 2007, 05:20:49 PM »
Those that subscribe to the notion that a magnetic vortex is one major aspect of the device's operation, know that gravity does not come into play here.

@Grumpy: Conceptually yes; good points.

Tesla provides the answers to both points, and EM has touched on the second point a couple of times.

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« Reply #117 on: October 07, 2007, 05:45:24 PM »
well, i have already seen it in one of my last experiments.
actually it was a couple of hours ago i noticed it.  :)
from here my bet is on gravity.

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« Reply #118 on: October 07, 2007, 06:18:21 PM »
In the old days, when tuning a parallel resonant line you could connect two solid wires to a light bulb and slide it from one end of the line to the other. The light would go dark and bright depending upon what part of the wave you were tapping.

You could also decide on the point you wanted - fix the light there - and adjust frequency until the light showed it was on a node or anti-node. I see no reason the same can't be done on a TPU.

IMO - gravity does play a part and so does a vortex. Gravity - as much as it does with a spinning top.

Spin rotation and precession direction must be correct for any similar device so a TPU must be helically polarized. The UP and DOWN vortices would be opposite rotation so of couse, turning it upside down would kill it. The vertical E field South and North would be reverse so it probably had to be turned upside to work down-under. That is if it was one of the types that had equal construction top and bottom.
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On a side note: I'm finding the fastest possible pulse obtainable is from the flyback of a coil. The problem there is the charge pulse zero's the effect. The solutions to the zeroing?
1. DC bias applied to the that coil or bettter yet to a secondary of that coil to keep the energy on one side of zero.
2. Just the right size, strength and placement of a magnet to do the same (on a secondary).

The result isn't seen when scoping the primary. I'm not shorting the BEMF. I'm making use of it as it seems to be the cleanest of all pulses. (I'll risk using the term BEMF because I know those who could answer the question here easily know what I mean).

Does anyone has a better solution?


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« Reply #119 on: October 07, 2007, 06:35:01 PM »
I don't agree.  A bathtub water vortex on planet Earth only exists because gravity exists.  It doesn't happen in space.
It only happens if Earth rotates.  The rotation of Earth is necessary to catalyze a water vortex.

Gravity exists most likely because Earth's mass causes aether to push objects to the surface.
So the aether that is pushing us to the surface can be tricked into turning and spiraling and thereby forming an aether vortex.
Turn the device upside down and it stops working, unless you reverse direction of the magnetic vortex.
It is possible that the magnetic vortex entrains the much more significant aether vortex, but that it is still necessary to act as a catalyzer.  It could be that a magnetic vortex "entangles" an aether vortex.

Those that subscribe to the notion that a magnetic vortex is one major aspect of the device's operation, know that gravity does not come into play here.
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