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Offline BEP

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #90 on: October 06, 2007, 06:41:18 AM »
@Earl

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This may be of interest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_array

I repeated my earlier experiment that produced very low frequency from a much higher single frequency. I was able to make adjustments that brought the unexpected pulse down to an easy 1 (one) Hertz. Then I blew another precious 2N3055  :o

Core = a loose bundle of iron rods actual size about 16 ga.
jammed into two coils of wire (plastic spools)
A very basic feedback oscillator. Scope frequency drifted around 2.5 kHz
I changed the spacing between the coils for maximum 'thump' on the bench and then adjusted base voltage.

Changing base voltage (also current through the collector coil) changed the frequency of the thump.

My mistake in not understanding why the low freek was because I was still thinking electrons instead of sounds and vibrations.

Regardless, obtaining very low frequencies (very strong ones also) from higher frequencies that have little harmonics or noise happens very well this way.

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« Reply #91 on: October 06, 2007, 08:58:59 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2007, 09:17:11 AM »
@Earl

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This may be of interest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parametric_array

I repeated my earlier experiment that produced very low frequency from a much higher single frequency. I was able to make adjustments that brought the unexpected pulse down to an easy 1 (one) Hertz. Then I blew another precious 2N3055  :o

Core = a loose bundle of iron rods actual size about 16 ga.
jammed into two coils of wire (plastic spools)
A very basic feedback oscillator. Scope frequency drifted around 2.5 kHz
I changed the spacing between the coils for maximum 'thump' on the bench and then adjusted base voltage.

Changing base voltage (also current through the collector coil) changed the frequency of the thump.

My mistake in not understanding why the low freek was because I was still thinking electrons instead of sounds and vibrations.

Regardless, obtaining very low frequencies (very strong ones also) from higher frequencies that have little harmonics or noise happens very well this way.



Where did you source your iron rods from, are they pure iron?

Am I to take it that you feedback power through your simple oscillator and your 2n3055 blew? Or did it blow simply because of too much driving power? :)

How strong were those 1 Hz thumps? Just wondering...

I must say, the parametric array, and even more so, a simple ring formed of iron wire with driving coil(s) around it, driving a lower frequency 'longitudinal' 'sound/vibration' through the iron ring and at key successive moments when the LAST sound/vibration made its way back to its starting point, another was generated/driven into the iron so that these longitudinal sounds/vibrations ADDED, certainly would seem to related directly to our old friend the Hungarian: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html

I can definitely see how the TPUs vibrate, heh. Add the Hungarian into the mix, and you EASILY have a recipe for an 'explosive' environment :P

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« Reply #92 on: October 06, 2007, 09:17:11 AM »
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« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2007, 10:34:25 AM »
Esa,

That was the only reference to the importance of the meduim of air and it was in reply to alternate cooling methods that were discussed. I suggested using teflon hollow tube with refrigerant gas as a cooling method and it was agreed that it could be a good solution that was not yet explored.

It does suggest that during full operation the control coils may be  vibrating back and forth on the collector.

wether it is 7.3 ,5000,or 35,000 who knows?  They get hot..and NOT as a by product of current drawn...counter intuitive ...I Know !

I have always been convinced that it is the tpu config which is the "active" component.
Smashing slow dirty pulses of random spectrum square waves will just create noise.

Sine...or perhaps a ramp signal (as in tv scan coils) (as in a discharging cap) can be the only method  of  excitation as far as I can see. and i wont mention the devices that must be used to experiment with here.


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Lindsay,

I am working with a water heater, it is a magnetostrictive device, iron core with helical coil around the core, immersed into water and driven with sharp current pulses. COP is measured to be around 6.0
It is interesting that TPU also generated a lot of heat.
Also you mentioned that the control wires are vibrating, it means that control wires are moving..if you have a moving magnetic field around a conducting wire loop ( collector ) , it induces a voltage to this loop..  Magnetostrictive force is very strong, and is caused when crystalline structure is expanded under magnetic field. It is known that magnetostrictive force is very effective, but the problem is how to put this force to useful work. Maybe a moving wire is one way to have energy from this force.

Esa

 


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« Reply #94 on: October 06, 2007, 11:25:13 AM »
OOPS.... I was not aware of this comment:

32. The "TPU" units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time, and must be shut off at that point.

Which when taken with the fact that the TPU did not work in bath, make it seem highly likely that the TPU will not operate reliably for an extended period of time and therefore is not likely to be able to be used as a continuous power generation device.

If this problem cannot be overcome then the value of the TPU will be severely diminished when compared to other OU devices...

SM seems to imply that the vibration and gyroscopics effect are a necessary side effect of a properly working TPU, if this is the case this heat and vibration will indeed cause the material of the TPU coil to degrade over time and fail....

This is not a good development...

Really hope this can be overcome, though I have my doubts... otherwise a serious waste of effort by many, but probably enough learnt here for many to produce viable OU devices that do not rely on this particular destructive effect...

Does anyone know what the maximum running time for the various size TPU's were before catastrophic failure was likely to occur/did occur?

Acerzw, hoping this is a pessimistic post which is not true...
« Last Edit: October 06, 2007, 01:05:32 PM by acerzw »

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« Reply #95 on: October 06, 2007, 11:36:08 AM »
Computers heat up too, even to self destructive levels. I don't think it's very practical compared to other electronic devices.

Point being: Use the power from the tpu to power it's own cooling mechanism. Problem Solved. ;)

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« Reply #96 on: October 06, 2007, 11:38:29 AM »
OOPS.... I was not aware of comment 32, which when taken with the fact that the TPU did not work in bath, make it seem highly likely that the TPU will not operate reliably for an extended period of time and therefore is not likely to be able to be used as a continuous power generation device.

If this problem cannot be overcome then the value of the TPU will be severely diminished when compared to other OU devices...

SM seems to imply that the vibration and gyroscopics effect are a necessary side effect of a properly working TPU, if this is the case this heat and vibration will indeed cause the material of the TPU coil to degrade over time and fail....

This is not a good development...

Really hope this can be overcome, though I have my doubts... otherwise a serious waste of effort by many, but probably enough learnt here for many to produce viable OU devices that do not rely on this particular destructive effect...

Does anyone know what the maximum running time for the various size TPU's were before catastrophic failure was likely to occur/did occur?

Acerzw, hoping this is a pessimistic post which is not true...

Yes.!..Really a  waste of time 4 you, no point if it cant run forever.Move on to something else that is complete, fully understood and with no unwanted side effects.



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« Reply #97 on: October 06, 2007, 01:04:02 PM »
@Mannix and HopeforHumanity

Bare with me on this, I do want the TPU to work, I have immense respect for you and the others from the early days. I know you don't want to hear this kind of thing with so much time on this under your belts, but consider....

Hope, realise that cooling will not resolve the problem regarding the coil material degenerating, the degeneration is caused in the material at a molecular level by the stresses of the field interactions in the coil, the heat is merely a byproduct of this molecular action, cooling the TPU will not reduce the molecular stress in the coil and thus will not stop its material degrading...

The are only two ways I can see stop the coil material degenerating, one is to make the coil from a more resilient material, which will likely dampen the effectiveness of the internal interactions, the effect the TPU relies on to operate, thus degrading or nullifying its operation completely...

The other possible, thought doubtful, way around this would be to stop the TPU periodically and run its load from excess output power, which if available had previously been stored in batteries. Once the tpu coil material has rested then restart the TPU... far from ideal however as you then need the batteries which negates the TPU's usefulness as a portable power unit...

SM stated that the objective of showing the TPU to investors, which was a big undertaking for him, was to get further development money, he knew the device as he had it was not viable due to the fact that it fails after prolonged use...

Also it occurs that the vibration and extreme stress on the coil makes the TPU essentially the same as if it was mechanical, it is solid state but has mechanical stresses as a necessary part of its operation. It therefore has some of the disadvantages of a mechanical device, in terms of possible failure modes, but also some unique ones of its own, i.e. resonant cascade failure.

That would explain why UEC has not developed it, no conspiracy, in its current form it has a fundamental flaw, it is not reliable, the base line for any viable product. Given the potential profits from a working reliable device in terms even of licensing, let alone full production, I suspect that they and others have thrown an unbelievable amount of financial and human resources at this problem but have not been able to overcome it as the effects are essential to the devices ability to give the level of power output it can, but cannot sustain...

Another reason for its non-development must also be due to these comments:

33. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own. This is important for obvious reasons. Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage.

23. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.

These comments tend to indicate that even SM with his expertise and access to equipment which he says was way beyond what most commercial labs had, was unable to due to the complex field interactions (probably 3 coils & 3 collectors with both transverse and longitudinal fields some of which are rotating, heterodyning and resonating) to guarantee 100% that the control circuit would always stop the TPU from  suffering a catastrophic resonant cascade failure... hence his emphasis on the need for a kill switch.

Note, even Tom Bearden with his encyclopedic cutting edge theoretical knowledge, is unable himself to model the field interactions within the MEG theoretically, and the MEG's fields are most likely several orders of magnitude simpler than the TPU's.

However there is no guarantee that by the time the internal coil heat sensor SM mentions kicks in or the kill switch is operated that it is not to late for the TPU or potentially the user.

It should also be noted that even if the sensor and kill switch were effective there are also likely to be potential external triggers for a catastrophic resonant cascade failure in a TPU which are inherently unpredictable and likely cannot be effectively shielded against. For instance a strong magnetic field in the immediate local environment (fridge turning on? Mobile phone?) of the TPU or perhaps even a large fluctuation in the Earths EM field caused by, but not limited to, any of these:

   HAARP discharge
   Burst from a Coronal Mass Ejection Event on the sun (ever more frequent)
   Soviet Woodpecker grid activation
   (possibly the Northern Lights if the TPU was nearby?)

might initiate the cascade effect by influencing the internal fields directly or by resonant OU energy feedback, causing them to go outside the envelope of capability of the controller circuit to compensate...

I am heading towards the idea the the TPU is a great device for short term emergency power generation, but for the above reasons would make a lowsy long term power solution... due to its inherent reliability issues and dangerousness...

I am beginning to feel more sympathetic to SM's plight when I consider the above.. though the Governments interest (BTW where can I read SM's comments about this?) does show that they maybe thought these problems could be solved?

Or perhaps more likely they were worried that it might be mis-used with a bit of further development in an enhanced resonant cascade failure mode as a either an EMP grenade or worse a local scalar wave snap device, as described by Tom Bearden.

Acerzw.... do you see?  ;)
« Last Edit: October 06, 2007, 05:22:46 PM by acerzw »

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« Reply #98 on: October 06, 2007, 02:32:23 PM »
Computers heat up too, even to self destructive levels. I don't think it's very practical compared to other electronic devices.

Point being: Use the power from the tpu to power it's own cooling mechanism. Problem Solved. ;)

the heat in computers (precisely the CPU) is caused by the size of the electron channels within the cpu. Basically it is the actual resistance of the material making up the CPU that causes that heat. Not to mention the obvious fact that computers are basically a "brute" force method of flowing electrons, hence the resistance.This shortfall will however be bypassed when optical CPUs are made; then one wont have to worry about the electron resistance as much.

the TPU on the other hand is different since it doesnt help to put a heat sink or a nice big fan on it; mainly bc it isnt the resistance but the clashing of the frequencies at atomic levels.

until someone fully understands what makes this TPU technology, we cant bypass this heat byproduct. I am sure the military has figured this out by now; either that or they would need to have like 3 TPUs and switch between them for power generation, lol.

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« Reply #99 on: October 06, 2007, 02:53:52 PM »

 and i wont mention the devices that must be used to experiment with here.

Lindsay

Ahh yes, the tubes :)
i almost forgot them  ;D

I am currently exploring what changes at what frequency of the pulsed field.

M.

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« Reply #100 on: October 06, 2007, 04:27:53 PM »
@Tao

Answering your questions - My comments in blue:

Where did you source your iron rods from, are they pure iron?

They are from bundles of marking flags sold in a hardware store. The diameter is a little over 2mm. They are somewhat stiff but brittle. I am sure they are just a very low quality steel. The bundle length is about 15 inches an diameter about 1.2 inches (fits in the spool center)

Am I to take it that you feedback power through your simple oscillator and your 2n3055 blew? Or did it blow simply because of too much driving power? :)
In this case I'm sure it blew because of overdrive or flyback. Base bias was just a variable resistor from the collector pin. PS current stayed under 1A. Voltage applied was 3.5DC. Collector coil is a 800ft. spool of 22ga. magnet wire. Feedback coil is a 1200ft. spool of 24ga. magnet wire. The 22ga. coil was between the collector pin and B+. The 24ga. coil is between B- and a capacitor (.1mfd) the cap is then connected to the transitor base.  A dirt simple 'blow me up circuit'

How strong were those 1 Hz thumps? Just wondering...

The bundle has some weight to it. Movement was axial and radial. Axial movement was enough to feel with fingers. Radial movement would have broken sheet glass from a common window.

I must say, the parametric array, and even more so, a simple ring formed of iron wire with driving coil(s) around it, driving a lower frequency 'longitudinal' 'sound/vibration' through the iron ring and at key successive moments when the LAST sound/vibration made its way back to its starting point, another was generated/driven into the iron so that these longitudinal sounds/vibrations ADDED, certainly would seem to related directly to our old friend the Hungarian: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3068.0.html

Yes. The Hungarian again. I have no doubt his work can explain most of this - if not all.

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« Reply #101 on: October 06, 2007, 06:09:30 PM »
@ Duff,

I have been unable to find the following two statements in either of my .PDF's or noted.  I would like to know your source for them please:  You attribute them to SM.

2. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of the tests that I have carried on the coils that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range

AND

9. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field that can be accelerated by applying harmonics.


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« Reply #102 on: October 06, 2007, 06:55:38 PM »
Kicks from a vacuum tube?

I don't know what any books say as the ones referenced were not found by me but think about this:

A simple rectifier (get those dirty little SS thoughts out of your mind - TUBES) Even more simple than most would think of - I'm saying 'hot cathode'. That means the heater element is the only cathode - no metal sheath around it - no separate connection for the cathode. The only two elements in the tube are the plate and the heater.

Heater elements were made of many different things but most would be excellent magnetostrictive metals. And guess what? Like GK says 'the light is a residual effect' and so is the heat. The first thing that happens when you apply current to the heater is it has a sudden increase in length - then it glows. What about the required magnetic field you say? It is a current carrying wire - and the tube is a mini particle accelerator. What else do you want?

How does the heater voltage appear on the plate signal? Because the heater was AC. Hot cathode tubes were nasty amplifiers until some tricky LC heater circuits were done AND the separate cathode was introduced. The alternating heater current would modulate the plate signal – and sometimes create a feedback loop, a great source of harmonics.

Anybody with some age has experienced this kick. Scopes are one-eyed monsters. Don’t let then ‘narrow YOUR bandwidth’. You old folks remember the ‘WUMPF’ sound when you turned on the old tube radio? The heaters were not lit at that point!
How about now when you’re driving and some idiot has his stereo too loud? All you hear is ‘THUMP-THUMP…THUMP-THUMP’. And when the fool cracks his window the thumping noise goes away but you notice it wasn’t the same rhythm of his music.

If it gets hot - SO WHAT? Heat is energy. I'll make use of it.
Bash the inventor - Already been done - wasting forum space IS MY JOB!
Only searching for the truth? Good - so am I.
Witholding information for personal gain sucks. Witholding information to prevent harm is bad enough.


No, Bruce. I'm thinking of something else.

Enough. I'll take a pill and go back to the bench.
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« Reply #103 on: October 06, 2007, 07:27:53 PM »

Heater elements were made of many different things but most would be excellent magnetostrictive metals. And guess what? Like GK says 'the light is a residual effect' and so is the heat. The first thing that happens when you apply current to the heater is it has a sudden increase in length - then it glows. What about the required magnetic field you say? It is a current carrying wire - and the tube is a mini particle accelerator. What else do you want?

If it gets hot - SO WHAT? Heat is energy. I'll make use of it.
Bash the inventor - Already been done - wasting forum space IS MY JOB!
Only searching for the truth? Good - so am I.
Witholding information for personal gain sucks. Witholding information to prevent harm is bad enough.


Hey BEP .. if the point is to use heat energy, there are plenty of other much efficient methods of harnessing heat energy mate.

the fact is, the byproduct of a "functioning" TPU, heat, is BAD for any operating generation device. It acts like a built in timer for the eventual degradation of the generator. JUST like all other devices that get heated in operation.

do you think CPU manufacturers really like having heat? I hope not.  :o

*** To everyone:

stop with all the preconceptions everyone!! Just bc SM made a TPU with heat as a byproduct doesn't mean a highly evolved TPU technology will also have heat; it is NOT a necessity.

Dont tell me people here have tried every material under the sun to try to make this device; all i have seen are failed attempts to copy/replicate what SM implies/says are the materials for construction. No one here has the right to say "you must use this material". Even if you are a great grandson of Tesla.  ;D

either SM is a very very poor explainer; or he is very very good at misleading. So think OUTSIDE the box!!!!  :o

in the end all of us here all trying to free ourselves from the people who want to suppress humanity. 8)

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« Reply #104 on: October 06, 2007, 07:39:13 PM »
I'm not implying that heat is required for the function.
If it is going to happen - I'll just make use of it.

 

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