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Author Topic: TPU - General Discussion  (Read 290356 times)

Offline Hope

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #555 on: June 22, 2011, 10:08:30 PM »
Seeing your Rodin coil made me think a bit on its abilitiy to force the magnetic field outside the coil. I would like to run a idea passed you all. This is a concept using an aluminum tube Rodin coil shaped filled with ferro fluid then energized as a PMH which makes me also see it wrapped with TPU coils to capture the flow of electrons which of course will be a constant generator... though knowing of the magnetic field disassociation may be harder to capture.  Because of this "throwing of the magnetic field" there will be useful pressure causing a lot of activity in the TPU windings.  It shows promise in that it also makes sense that by mere physical design of the Rodin coil the magnetic field is being perfectly circulated WITHOUT any "stick" (back EMF) which of course is and has been the devil in these many efforts at magnetic OU.  Once again the natural path wins out at mere simplicity which would tend to show, though hard to make in build automation, is the necessary pattern of magnetic flow.  Working WITH this flow eliminates physical problems later in operation.  This is further confirmed since the design of the Rodin coil needs no insulator coating but yet does not short out.  Any comments are asked for and appreciated.

After drawing this concept out it showed that an outer covering tube instead of circular windings would capture flow unhampered.  So with this in mind the whole idea has a completed congruity and seems to be worthy of some bantering about of you all.  Still the coil could be or should be pulsed cycled within the ferro fluid building momentum and a harvest-able output should follow.  It is yet to be established if this will be a harmonic recombination which will yield amassed energies.  But this seems to me to be a natural assumption if the fields can not escape capture. 

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #555 on: June 22, 2011, 10:08:30 PM »

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« Reply #556 on: June 23, 2011, 04:37:05 AM »
@Wattsup and @poynt99

Your words are why I have a different understanding (right or wrong) about the meaning of collector.
To me 'collector' means the complete unit  - or as most define a TPU. Since I've come to believe this the supposed comments from Steven make much more sense. If you can, look at the descriptions my my perspective for a moment. If you do, you should then perceive different coil layouts and orientations.
Using the perceptions of most folks on the ''collector'' it always seemed the descriptions were contradictory and unclear. As an example: when speaking of winding a vertical wind does that mean wound horizontally around a vertical axis or wound vertically around a horizontal axis or even something else?

@Wattsup

Your transistor analogy is close enough. Your electrical knowledge certainly has greatly improved since my first time on this site. I commend you!
However the description you gave would be called an emitter follower switch or amplifier. It is normally a better bet to connect the load to the collector and voltage drops, losses and other things can happen with the load on the emitter. Of course, such a circuit is not uncommon and may be required in many cases.

The collector of a transistor should be analogous to the anode or plate of a vacuum tube. This metal piece was where the electrons were 'collected' after being 'emitted' by the cathode or heater. In between is the base which is called a gate in other SS and is almost the same funtion as a grid in a tube. (I know you and poynt know this but more than you read this forum  ;)

In SM's view the above may not be completely correct because some tubes actually have a part that is called a collector. It collects 'extra' radiated electrons that are 'kicked' off the plate by electrons ejected by the cathode. 'If' SM coined the phrase 'collector' I suspect this is why he used the term.

SM described what the collector IS and its the collector coils collect the ambient energy.  Perpendicular to these collector coils of  normal copper flex wire is over wound Control coils. He says these are vital to facilitation for collection of ambient energy into the collector loops. its funny we have a VERY long chain of Chinese Whispers that constantly divert from SM;s writings so its necessary sometime to go back to the SOURCE to get accurate build information and ignore everything else in between.

So the collector coils of copper wire not of iron or brass or litz collect energy but they themselves may or may not be directly energised. The could be passive collector coil adjacent active drivers but one thing i am 99% sure off there has never been a need to use intense banging with high power fets to create EMP's.  No one in the demos had any problem working near or handling a TPU. In addition they are "soft start" devices it take several seconds to get going. So much of the operation is passive and precursor driven as a transformation device.

Also this device like all other related devices is certain to be a very high reactive VARS device where the collector coils are working out of phase to each other. How do i know this? well for a start SM actually told us. He said you should look at the effects of out of phase transformer windings! He said VERY unusual things happen. ...and he is right but no one takes any notice.

 In fact a 1000 watt TPU will be a 10KVAR's device and thus is responsive for the highly generated magnetic flux around the unit.  If you was to measure the collector coils you would see something like 1000v and 10 amps going around those coils!! Its all reactive VARS 90 degree phase shifted. I know no other way to tap ZPE they are all the same. Name a ZPE device i tell you its working in reactive mode, Newman yes, kapandze yes, bedini yes, mullers yes, kromrey yes,  RV 3 phase yes, Don Smith yes and so on... Like wise NON of the devices will work when this is not understood and the device simply is ZPE dead.



The conversion from VARS to WATTS is around 10% but who cares its free right??

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #557 on: June 23, 2011, 05:04:22 AM »
He said you should look at the effects of out of phase transformer windings! He said VERY unusual things happen. ...and he is right but no one takes any notice.
You weren't around at the time, but I can tell you many of us did pay attention to this, and discussed it to quite an extent. A few tried it on the bench, I played with it in a sim.

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The conversion from VARS to WATTS is around 10% but who cares its free right??
If true, this works for me. ;)

As per my PM, are you interested in providing a quick sketch of the setup?

Thanks,
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« Reply #557 on: June 23, 2011, 05:04:22 AM »
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Offline bolt

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« Reply #558 on: June 23, 2011, 05:29:07 AM »
I don't have all the details to put together a circuit. I needs to be constructed modular and built like jig saw puzzle  We have say 5 bits of the puzzle but there are about 9 more bits to be discover so long as we do not ignore the 5 pieces. For example once you have KVARS in itself only creates a scalar tensor. So we have a pressure vector acting on the ambient. It can not introduce a current into a collector pickup coil unless this vector is moving or modulated. So this is the reason for the 5khz it modulates or varies the phase angle of the scalar vector. When you demodulate this you end up with an o/p voltage and current with the 5Khz sat on TOP! We also know this because SM told us and without a low pass filter you get 800 VDC with 5khz mush exactly how SM described the o/p. Next we need to rotate the scalar tensor so it acts in three dimensions. When you do this you have a rotating magnetic ball. The easy way to do this is to use 3 phases for the X and Y plane with another collector below acting in the Z plane requires a real separation of space between them thus the TPU is always like  2 or 3 layers deep.

Sorry i never see PM's i am using Ad Blocker as this site is always so slow and i now never see any adverts and i filter out completely  all the side bar ads, tools bars and the left hand bar, top title bar, bottom bar and the feature bar with the PM button which i rarely use.  Now almost zero graphics load on the page i don't get bugged with stupid ads and the page loads 10 times faster So if anyone wants to discuss anything with me you have to post it in the forum. Also i prefer to do this so everyone see the replies.

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« Reply #559 on: June 23, 2011, 05:35:49 AM »
Thanks for your thoughts on the TPU :)

My PM to you the other day:
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Hey bolt.

I'm interested in trying to simulate this setup of Romero's, but I'd also like to see what it was you used for a circuit to produce those wave forms you posted.

Would you be so kind as to scratch a basic diagram on paper and scan and post it? Alternatively, you could email it to me at:
poynt99atoverunityresearch.com

I'm sure all would appreciate it.

Regards,
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« Reply #559 on: June 23, 2011, 05:35:49 AM »
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« Reply #560 on: June 23, 2011, 05:53:16 AM »
Oh! you know i have not got the source files i thought i explained this the other day. Also for the life of me i can not remember right now how i did this because i spent about 3 hours playing with the SIM for some other purpose then i realised its a reactive pulse wave Romero was showing and quickly modified the sim i was working on as it is the same effect for muller out of phase coils with a series cap. I have to see if i can do this again at some point but only if i remember what i was doing, It really is NOT as important as you think because if you cancel the BEMF using self cancelling coils you get VARS and there is NO BEMF and NO LUGGING when the Power Factor is ZERO then you see that waveform.

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« Reply #561 on: July 03, 2011, 08:43:52 PM »
Oh! you know i have not got the source files i thought i explained this the other day. Also for the life of me i can not remember right now how i did this because i spent about 3 hours playing with the SIM for some other purpose then i realised its a reactive pulse wave Romero was showing and quickly modified the sim i was working on as it is the same effect for muller out of phase coils with a series cap. I have to see if i can do this again at some point but only if i remember what i was doing, It really is NOT as important as you think because if you cancel the BEMF using self cancelling coils you get VARS and there is NO BEMF and NO LUGGING when the Power Factor is ZERO then you see that waveform.

How do you keep a power factor of zero when you add a (resistive) load?
Would that be achieved with 2-stage load switching?
Or is there direct ways to add the load converting the VARs to Watts?
 

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« Reply #562 on: July 03, 2011, 09:33:30 PM »
The direct method is to use switching or match the load so is sits in series within the loop without changing the phase angle.

 The indirect method is to use the powerful magnetic field generated from the VARS coil to induce a current into another coil. This is what the TPU does AND kapanadze both are indirect coupling effects.  But its NOT parametric coupling. That way the phase angle is always maintained on the driver and there is no coupling back to the source.

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« Reply #563 on: July 03, 2011, 09:56:54 PM »
The direct method is to use switching or match the load so is sits in series within the loop without changing the phase angle.

 The indirect method is to use the powerful magnetic field generated from the VARS coil to induce a current into another coil. This is what the TPU does AND kapanadze both are indirect coupling effects.  But its NOT parametric coupling. That way the phase angle is always maintained on the driver and there is no coupling back to the source.

Thanks for the answer.
How exactly in your understanding would the powerful magnetic field
from the VARS coil induce a current in another coil without the processes
commonly accompanied by induction that could reflect back to the primary VARS coil (undesired back coupling)?
How is this totally excluded while making sure that the induction goes on as intended?
With parametric coupling do you mean electrodynamic/inductive coupling?
In an energy transfer one would expect some kind of coupling (as for the forward coupling), what type would it be of?

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« Reply #564 on: July 04, 2011, 03:09:30 AM »
Hi all

I followed the Steven Marks stuff for a long time. Looking back again the garage footage with open tpu, correct me if i'm wrong but noticing that after unplugging the big black lamp off the inlet wall, it's supposed to be normally closed switch( light on). He later,  opened the switch (the light must stay off because he didnt turn the switch off)) after switching on the white lamp. Then he wired to the tpu, the big black lamp turn on the light. weird... Any possible explanation?

Anyone would agree on the first sight that two big base lamps seems suspect with a so quick test?

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« Reply #565 on: July 04, 2011, 01:46:58 PM »
@tpuman,go to my youtube channel powerunlimited1
I have done a few fake tpu's,including a version of the garage tpu
and the four inch tpu,compare those to the SM tpu's.

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« Reply #566 on: September 07, 2011, 03:56:48 AM »
something i been messing with for awhile thought i would let you folks in on it..
i'll keep working on it..  but not directly..
thought this might keep you guys thinking..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUhwG_4ehwM

i called it selffeed toroids.. lol

robbie


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« Reply #568 on: November 23, 2012, 06:03:04 AM »
It's been quite some time since I last 'posted'  ----------------  ill health, that sort of thing, but I'd like to ask you all, your opinions on this;
If a permanent magnet, is stationary, inside a stationary coil ( copper windings), the magnet itself, will still radiate its magnetic force
(flux), but because both the magnet, and the coil are stationary, what will happen to the flux?    Will the flux pass straight through the
windings, unhindered, and go through the coil, or will the windings 'absorb' some of the flux , but NOT create electricity, because of no
movement?   

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« Reply #569 on: November 23, 2012, 11:16:38 PM »
The flux goes straight through the wire.

Because the magnet's position and field strength is constant relative to the coil, there is no induced emf in the coil.

A changing magnetic field produces a changing orthogonal electric field, and it is the latter which induces emf in the wire, not the magnetic field.

 

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