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Author Topic: TPU - General Discussion  (Read 290357 times)

Offline innovation_station

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #540 on: August 09, 2008, 04:31:44 PM »
@ whats up still wateing to hear what your core material is....   you round?

any how i finished the coil i was working on it lites a 9v led to 1/2 brightness from my freq genny set to 1 v square waves at 20 khz

not the results im after...   but it could be not enough secondary winds ..  tesla states a short fat primary ...  and a secondary of a much thinner longer wire so.... i used what i had handy...

here is the pic    no i did not say this dosent work but just not as well as i would like ...

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« Reply #541 on: August 10, 2008, 10:48:35 PM »
@IS

I just got back from Ottawa for the weekend. I don't know why but the JPG's you posted are not visible. I tried them in many ways and no go.

About pulsing both - and + of the primary, that's exactly what I was doing to the primary of the working transformer with the Erfinder Challenge circuit and it did work the  best. But again, it gave good voltage rise but bad amperage and this is one of the reason I am thinking about multiple secondaries.

For the core type in my drawing, I am more inclined towards an air core but obviously, since curiosity will gain over me, I will also try a ferrite core. But I am more inclined to air core simply because if many pri/sec winds are on the same ferrite, this could cause an unknown effect that may lean towards cancellation, whereas with the air core, this cannot happen.

A 24 awg primary wire is 804.5 feet per pound and a 32 AWG secondary is 4995 feet per pound giving me a 6.2:1 sec/pri ratio to have both winds weight the same. This I feel is where alot of us are going wrong.

I want to make a very small toroid and a medium toroid and compare them with the same frequencies and see the coupling differences. I think @EM could probably use this in his circuit also using real mag wire instead of the insulated wires they are using now.

I'll post my results when it is done.

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« Reply #542 on: August 10, 2008, 11:34:43 PM »
@IS

 ....    I don't know why but the JPG's you posted are not visible. I tried them in many ways and no go.


I experience the same at my home computer too, in almost every case of his (innovation_station) uploaded pictures for weeks now.  And at my office computer I still cannot see it first when I open a thread where he uploded a picture but at least I can download it it see them that way in most of the cases (but even this is not in every case).  Very strange,  pictures uploaded by anybody else come through correctly for me both at home and at office.

rgds,  Gyula

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« Reply #542 on: August 10, 2008, 11:34:43 PM »
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« Reply #543 on: August 14, 2008, 06:29:17 AM »
quote from Steven:

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The problem is... You still don't have enough information to help facilitate your building and execution of the collector. That is what I believe to be the strategic problem.

JC, and i thought this was the easy part. if we haven't even got the collector right, what hope in hell do we have?  ???

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« Reply #544 on: August 14, 2008, 04:44:06 PM »
@poynt99

Yep, you bring up a good point about the collector.

We have to ask ourselves first of all why is it called a collector, who called it a collector first, someone on this forum or SM (I say it was someone on this forum).

Even if it was SM, who said it first and I don't have the time required to research this in depth, so anyone who is willing, by all means. But even if it was SM, what would the word collector mean for him.

If you know somethig about EE and transistors, the collector is what received energy to then provide to an emmitter that is then used to excite something or drive something. I would put this as the true anaolgy.

Most forum members consider the collector the one that recieves the final energy gain going to output, but why would you want to send a side-stream energy into or excite the collector if it is the TPU output. You would want to excite the collector if it was then sending this energy to an emitter device that then creates a pulsing field. I think this one point is where many have strayed for a long time, myself included.

If the collector received energy from the TPU output, then sends this via the emmiter at pulsed timings given to the base, to discharge into a primary that has two secondaries, one called an output secondary and one called a collector secondary, the collector secondary then sends this energy back to the transitor collector that then finishes the loop. This would then run with gain.

Anyways, good point indeed.

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« Reply #545 on: August 14, 2008, 06:01:47 PM »
@Wattsup and @poynt99

Your words are why I have a different understanding (right or wrong) about the meaning of collector.
To me 'collector' means the complete unit  - or as most define a TPU. Since I've come to believe this the supposed comments from Steven make much more sense. If you can, look at the descriptions my my perspective for a moment. If you do, you should then perceive different coil layouts and orientations.
Using the perceptions of most folks on the ''collector'' it always seemed the descriptions were contradictory and unclear. As an example: when speaking of winding a vertical wind does that mean wound horizontally around a vertical axis or wound vertically around a horizontal axis or even something else?

@Wattsup

Your transistor analogy is close enough. Your electrical knowledge certainly has greatly improved since my first time on this site. I commend you!
However the description you gave would be called an emitter follower switch or amplifier. It is normally a better bet to connect the load to the collector and voltage drops, losses and other things can happen with the load on the emitter. Of course, such a circuit is not uncommon and may be required in many cases.

The collector of a transistor should be analogous to the anode or plate of a vacuum tube. This metal piece was where the electrons were 'collected' after being 'emitted' by the cathode or heater. In between is the base which is called a gate in other SS and is almost the same funtion as a grid in a tube. (I know you and poynt know this but more than you read this forum  ;)

In SM's view the above may not be completely correct because some tubes actually have a part that is called a collector. It collects 'extra' radiated electrons that are 'kicked' off the plate by electrons ejected by the cathode. 'If' SM coined the phrase 'collector' I suspect this is why he used the term.


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« Reply #546 on: August 17, 2008, 04:02:26 AM »
geez, i wonder if i'm using a little too much juice for my kick testing  ???

 :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #547 on: August 17, 2008, 04:23:57 PM »
hey poynt throw some copper across it  to cut the electric flux lines.....

looks like positive seeking ground ...

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ok looking at your pic ...   this pops into my head ...

pos iron wire ring top   copper pancake middle  neg iron ring bottom   catch some as it passes from top to bottom

might this be why it does not work upside down ??

it will be seeking ground and the wrong way it will not travel through the collector but dirrectly to ground

does this sound close?

finally poynt i catch your drift duh!!!   lol

dump a cap to the iron lol    collector watch it spew every where   so you could pusle top and bottom seprate polarities

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« Reply #548 on: March 25, 2009, 12:34:12 PM »
Sorry to interrupt guys -

I've been searching my system to find a link I had previously - all to no avail.  :-[
(Probably) around 2 years ago, there was a video from an older guy (American I think) who had a (form of) gravity engine.
From memory he had a working version in his shed, which turned very slowly (maybe 30-40Hz).
Then the video went on to show it in his pickup (moving slowly over a length).
(Possibly on Google Video).

AFTER this, he went on to give His Explanation of how Gravity worked.
It was all in relation to rotations etc, and his explanation was excellent.
I have a Vague feeling that you had to wait until approx 27 minutes into his video to get to this (I think it was 35-40 min long, but can't say with any certainty).

Does this ring a bell with anybody ?
Can anybody point me in the right direction. ???
I believe I originally got the video link from these forums, and figure that one of you guys would probably know exactly what I'm after.
Can you help ?

Thanks,
Jeff.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #549 on: September 06, 2010, 10:22:02 PM »
Funny question...

What could be light speed in copper?! ;D

15" TPU ~1.2m (circumference)
Vacuum (299792458 m/s) f=249 827 048 Hz
Air (290798684 m/s [1.225 kg/m3]) f= 243 332 236 Hz
Glass (197863022 m/s[2457 kg/m3]) f= 164 885 851 Hz
Copper ( ???????? m/s[8900 kg/m3]) f= ???? Hz

If we build 10 times "longer" TPU and put sequence in 4 CC's I am very interested what can happen ;D
Possible to build and test  :D

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« Reply #550 on: September 08, 2010, 04:51:17 AM »
To all Onboard,

We know the facts laid before us in the cover up and suppression of SM-TPU, but in the time passed since it's discovery we've learned of some interesting electronic techniques in the public domain, EMDevices "breathing joule thief", and the variable frequency capacity of a timer circuit.
Also, let's not forget the heart of most systems we build, "The Coil". We've gone from one conductor, to two conductor, to more conductors, each having there own inductance/capacity
to itself and the other inductors around it. I really believe that one of us will virtually, "stumble" across the knowledge of self perpetuating power systems. We're close, I can feel it. The truth is out there.  :)

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« Reply #551 on: March 26, 2011, 02:23:52 PM »
hello guys,im new here  ;D is tihs ok as a TPU?  ;D i will test this circuit to see if selfoscilates

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« Reply #552 on: March 26, 2011, 08:06:00 PM »
hello guys,im new here  ;D is tihs ok as a TPU?  ;D i will test this circuit to see if selfoscilates

I think that's a joule thief type circuit and not a TPU

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« Reply #553 on: March 26, 2011, 08:13:39 PM »
I think that's a joule thief type circuit and not a TPU

Exactly what I was going to say except, I was not sure with the addition of those diodes.

Bill

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« Reply #554 on: March 27, 2011, 01:06:29 PM »
Dear Bill and others,

I have now completed the simple computer model that conclusively showed that kinetic energy of air molecules can be brought-in at resonance.  The random motion of air molecules can be changed into a pulsing order by the vibrating tuning forks to do work.  The energy is mainly from the kinetic energy of the air molecules.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=771.0

I believe that the Steven Mark Device may be a case of two LCR circuits tuned to resonance.  That condition can bring-in electron motion energy of the orbiting electrons.  I have not done enough research into the Steven Mark device to tell whether such an assertion is true.  Your comments are welcome.

Steven Mark Device video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5483558279656482347#


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