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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #525 on: August 05, 2008, 08:28:11 PM »
@grumpy,

yes i thought along those lines.

if spherics is/was correct about the iron delay coil, comp field, and all in general, and was not feeding us bullshit, then i could see an iron coil being wound under the kick coil layer, or it could be wound on the inner core shown inside the leg. again, assuming the spherics posts are true, i believe the method SM eventually used to bring the iron delay coil close in proximity to the kick coils was to use a permanent magnet bias near them. so this would come either from the activation magnet placed on top, or maybe there is a cylindrical permanent magnet inside the leg.

@ ist,

yes i drew this myself, thanks.

the idea for me is to maintain the 90 degree coil relationship, AND reveal where the control and collector coils are. this is the only way i can fullfill all the requirements. remember the idea is to create a mess of frequencies within the space of the collector so that it can amount to many combined kicks being dissipated there as output power.

@vortex1

thanks. i drew this with sketchup 6. it is fairly easy i guess. they have good tutorials to help you learn. there is a free version.

it's so hard to say where the speaker wires and white wires go to. if the white wires go to the output, then maybe that is for feedback, but that may not be right either. it would be great to see where the red speaker wire(s) terminate. it's a tough one, and i am using simple logic to try and figure out the most likely configuration based on all i know about this device and the others.

i can't see the kick coils in my diagram actually being the collector, but it's possible.

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« Reply #526 on: August 06, 2008, 03:27:58 AM »
@poynt99

it must be the collector .....


as sm says the source becomes the supply....   it is like a furnice wich fuels its self  so the input must be limited by a cap ...  the excess is output??

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« Reply #527 on: August 06, 2008, 06:22:44 PM »
Hi All,

 I am new to this forum but am a researcher and technologist of a diverse scientific background.

Thanks for your input from your posts in adding to my knowledge base.

This is just a short post for now but Hello everyone. Keep up the research and may your day be blessed with findings.

Here's a picture of the first device that inspired me to research in the first place. It's more of a Hutchison device though it has an magnetic piezoelectric design matrix. Far more complex in fabrication than the SM device.

Have a blessed day!
ZRAD

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« Reply #528 on: August 06, 2008, 06:43:10 PM »
Dr. Ray Brown's Crystal Sphere?

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« Reply #529 on: August 06, 2008, 07:20:00 PM »
You got it!

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« Reply #530 on: August 06, 2008, 08:22:39 PM »
@poynt99

Very nice drawing. But there is one problem. With the higher rez video, it is no evident there is no leg on the right side. The OTPU is standing on three points. Leg to the left of output, leg to the back of output and circuit board to the right of output. I was very surprised when I realized this but maybe forgot to mention it.

In the photo below you can see him holding the OTPU right where the right leg should be but  his fingers are flat. This image is from the video entitled VTS_01_2.VOB at frame 11126.

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« Reply #531 on: August 06, 2008, 09:37:13 PM »
Nice drawing Poynt,

My best guess:

OTPU -> 3 kickcoils, 3 iron delay coils -> iron is a bitch in the tpu, so shield them in the feet...vertical, so the RMF has the least influence.....

I bet the collector wire was glued to the underside of the plastic rings.....

Greetings Spider.

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« Reply #532 on: August 07, 2008, 01:40:16 AM »
@poynt99

Very nice drawing. But there is one problem. With the higher rez video, it is no evident there is no leg on the right side. The OTPU is standing on three points. Leg to the left of output, leg to the back of output and circuit board to the right of output. I was very surprised when I realized this but maybe forgot to mention it.

In the photo below you can see him holding the OTPU right where the right leg should be but  his fingers are flat. This image is from the video entitled VTS_01_2.VOB at frame 11126.

 ??? LOL

either i don't understand what you're saying, or you didn't understand what i said. i think you are saying the same thing i said above.

to summarize what i said: there are 3 wood legs, but i only show 2 in the drawing (left and right as you put it). the back leg i do not show because i don't think there is a kick coil there. i do think there is a transformer or something taped there alright, but i'm not sure if there's a core in the back leg. it is possible that the back leg has a kick coil too, but it doesn't seem to have a magnet with it.

there are a few possibilities, but mainly i wanted to point out the kick (control)  coils, the collector coil (and their relationship to one another), and the core/magnet inside the kick coils. the core (or iron wire layer) is what gives the activation magnets something to attract to.

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« Reply #533 on: August 07, 2008, 03:08:27 PM »
@poynt99

Sorry for making it unclear. Then let me summarize what I am trying to convey here. On the OTPU there is only two wooden legs, not three. There is one to the left of the output, there is one to the back of the output. So the left magnet is on a leg but the right magnet placement has no leg there at all. The third support is the circuit board itself, not a leg. We could not see this in the old videos.

Also, just to mention, you do not need any mechanism at all to get the kick or feel the gyration. Just pulse any old coil with dc. Feel the coil. It does not gyrate. Now place a magnet next to it. You will now feel it gyrate. This is not a kick or anything else. This is basically a subset effect of a pulsed coil near a magnet. No big deal. Speakers do it all the time. lol

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« Reply #534 on: August 08, 2008, 01:34:12 AM »
i disagree, i think there is a leg there.

i have not seen a good picture of that side (none exists) so it is impossible to say for sure if there is one or not. i do know for sure that there is a wood block at the place in question in between the two rings just like the left side, and i have to assume there is symmetry in this device. it makes sense and it is simple logic. there is a pcb there too, but it's too hard to say exactly where it is in relation to the magnet above. i assume the pcb is shorter than the legs and it more or less hangs there in place. it doesn't make sense to use the pcb as a leg because it would be quite difficult to keep stable for one thing, and i don't think SM would want to risk disaster by it flopping to one side causing shorts etc.

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« Reply #535 on: August 08, 2008, 05:27:30 AM »
@poynt99

OK, let's go for try number three.

Look at the right magnet and the thumb position from top, then from bottom.

Also the circuit board is a little longer then the two other legs. When he positions the right magnet, the OTPU pivots to the right and stops because perpendicular to the circuit board is a toroid that is about the same size as the FTPU toroid and this prevents the OTPU from actually toppling over on the right.

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« Reply #536 on: August 08, 2008, 03:27:46 PM »
as long as we're looking at dark grainy and obscure pictures, we'll never agree on what we see and don't see.

after the visual evidence has been exhausted, the gaps must be filled in with best-guesses, intuition, logic, and common sense.  :)

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« Reply #537 on: August 08, 2008, 06:01:55 PM »
@poynt99

If you want more, I could show you more but what's the point.
I respect your opinion and leave it at that.

@Guys

Since this is a thread for TPU discussions, I have prepared a post a few days ago and think this is a good thread for it. There are multiple things that have been overlooked (for a better word) when considering pulsing at frequencies. The main one that we have not really looked at was the size of coils themselves in relation to the actual applied frequencies and expected responses.

We make any odd size coil and just pulse and pulse at varying frequencies but at high frequency, there is rarely anything special to talk about. If using mosfets, as soon as you start lowering the pulse frequency, the SS components blow from the increased flyback, but when you increase the frequency again, there is not enough EM force to push the effect. Sort of a catch 22 situation.

When you take a large coil and pulse it at high frequency and you put your scope probe at the end of the coil, yes you will see on the scope the pulsing action but there is nothing special happening on the secondary side. Also the flyback of these little pulses is simply being lost in the great mass of the primary coil being used.

Tesla matched his primary to secondary coil relationships by balancing the actual weight of the coil wires. His coils were not made by happenstance. They were calculated to produce a balanced energy exchange system. Why have more primary then the secondary can handle. Also, why pulse a coil faster then it can handle the inductive/capacitive movements.

NATURE works when it is properly balanced. You can make any size coil you want and try all the frequencies possible and you will eventually get the proper resonance, but resonance by itself does not equate to power production. Everything has a resonance even badly matched coils will have a resonance. The properly matched coil will have its resonance also, but in addition it will provide the maximum coupling between the pulsed end and the working end. Need more power, just add more coils.

Maybe I am not getting the point across properly.

The way I see it more and more, the actual pulse is nothing in itself. It's the flyback that is important to not waste the used energy in the first place. The question of pulse timing is important in that you need to apply a pulse with long enough time for the pulse to expand, then turn off the pulse long enough for the flyback to return to source, then start over again. To do this, it is not only a question of finding the right frequency, but duty and amplitude all play into the overall effect.

But let's take this one step further which is the main reason I am posting this, because I am realizing the relationship between the physical size of coil and the frequencies are not properly matched.

So what if the pulse was sent, instead of in one large coil, you make many small coils. The higher frequency pulse will have more effect on the coupling action of the smaller primary/secondary pair so then you simply parallel the outputs. The higher the frequency at a given amplitude, the smaller the coil. If you then increase the amplitude or lower the frequency, just increase the size of the coil to match.

So what if you had one primary that was wound over 20 secondaries. Now send high voltage spikes into the primary like in the Tesla Ozone Patent. What will the output be. Lower voltage but higher amperage then if the secondary was wound the same amount of turns but in one length.

But using higher frequencies maybe with the single wound primary over 20 secondaries, the high frequency would lose it's minuscule punch. So let's take 20 primaries of 2 turns over 20 secondaries of the number of turns required to match the primary weight. The short primary would be just enough to react to higher frequency pulsing and the secondaries would have just enough mass to capture the transfer. Now just parallel the secondary outputs. Doing this will increase the amperage that we are all looking for. Also, such a method could receive either pulsing DC or even high voltage discharges which are near 0 amps and transform it into a usable amperage level.

This type of configuration having continuous multiple primary/secondary windings could be wound in a circular tpu fashion. Cut any section and a quick 4 wire re-wiring would get it running again. Also this would agree with what @JD said once, about the TPU not having to be in a circular pattern. And curiously, if you set this up in a circular pattern with primaries in parallel and secondaries in parallel, all you would require is four RINGS, two to provide input to the primaries and two to collect from the secondaries. Also, this could be wound in miniature like the FTPU center toroid or it could be wound like the LTPU outer ring. 

I made a pretty crude drawing of what I mean and I am sure others can do much better drawing of this. But, the basic idea is to stop just winding any which way. Start thinking that the higher the frequency, the smaller the coil. If you look up "monolithic transformers", these are extremely micron small and work in the giga range. Have you ever seen a 1 pound coil running in the giga or even mega range. What we need to do is wind the coils for the frequencies we want to use, and not just wind coils and then try any frequency to see if there is an effect. This is proving to be counter productive and I feel it is wasting alot of our time.

Hey, hey, I will build one. Now where is my wire gauge/weight chart?

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« Reply #538 on: August 08, 2008, 07:12:03 PM »
verry awsome wattsup

i would build one but i cant seam to gat a mosfet to work  yet  errrrrrr  i have 840 but i cant get the darn things to work

what a pain lol


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@ whattsup  do you find that when BOTH - + ARE PLSUED AT THE SAME TIME  to your primary the EFFECT  is enhanced?  opsoded to pulseing pos only or neg only?


also regarding your dwg what would one use as a core im REALLY thinking of building this right NOW!!!! 

like droping all the crap im working on at the moment wich is lots as usual....  iron wire ??  air core?? plastic??

actually now that i think of it i have a perfect lil ferroite torroide should work awsome  i will post a pic when i finish it ;)


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« Reply #539 on: August 08, 2008, 10:16:01 PM »
well i wound a tunned tranny on it ...  22 ga .9ga and 28ga .9ga  but i was also thinking about a coil top and bottom ...  the sum of all primaries and the sum of all secondaries  in other words tuned ...  both ways...as in whatsup dwg and parell tranny style tuned i may have to try it

here is a pic of my feroitte toroide with tuned coils on it ...  also here is a dwg of what i may build next to improve the output ...

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the last pic i added is my tuned coil in the works 4 primaries 4 secondaries and 1 sum primary and 1 sum seccondary

im gonna wind it up ....

i will post the pic when i finish..

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