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Offline devilzangel

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #345 on: October 23, 2007, 07:06:51 PM »
@ wattsup

Could you please provide the image w/o superimposition as well as a companion wide view image.

It could be mags, batts, or a collection of thinly wound coils in series (or parallel).

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« Reply #346 on: October 23, 2007, 11:14:59 PM »
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« Reply #347 on: October 24, 2007, 05:39:29 AM »
@devilzangel

Don't forget that SM places his two magnets and then he pushes a push button located on the same Leg #2.

Whatever is inside the legs, you really have to see the video in slow motion to see the round bulges on the leg cover. This involves countless visual inspections, blow ups, photo inversion, and other brightness, contrast manipulations to see. Leg #2 is the only leg with a cover. Why? If there were coils inside the leg, why have a cover. Why not simply use tape like the others. A cover indicates that you need to have easy access to this part of the TPU without showing what is underneath. You do not cover things up that you want people to see. You only cover things you want to hide. Human nature 101.

I invite you to please investigate these questions and help out in getting any more pertinent observations as I am starting to get leary eyed. If you see anything that needs correcting, please advise, but please note that I will ask that such observations be well formulated. Saying there could be coils in there does not help. Why would such coils be required in a leg is the first question. We know why batteries would be required.

@acerzw

Even though there is no direct remarks on some of your posts as with many many others here including me, you should know that they are noticed. Keep on.

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« Reply #347 on: October 24, 2007, 05:39:29 AM »
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Offline epwpixieq-1

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« Reply #348 on: October 24, 2007, 04:48:41 PM »
@acerzw

Thanks for the info. I can see the points you make.
Nice post for the working of the TPU. I am a newbie  ::)  ... so for now will learn-by-doing  and winding coils  :D
From my perspective the kick is the one I am looking to explore first.
I have some ideas to test, mostly based on what has already been done by other researchers.

About BEMF, there is a interesting research here:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm

About Tesla's work ... words are powerless .... and may be beneficial for people to know about his ideas.

I am not much in writing so sorry for the short response, but EXPERIMENTING & BUILDING things ... well this is something different ...







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« Reply #349 on: October 25, 2007, 03:19:39 AM »
Well here goes,
My last electronics build was a crystal set in 1959. I listened to the Rome Olympics in 1960 then added a variable condenser and got lots of stations. Blew my mind with 60s rock and roll from the good old USA. Now I want to progress to the next stage in my quest and build a TPU. Like GK I have high hopes. It will power my house and my kiln, anything less is not viable. Eventually it will power my city.
We might think of SM as a jerk for not handing over the whole deal but he has looked after his family successfully for  the last 15yrs on the base of his skill as a sound engineer inventor and then salesman.  He has given away far more than most of us in his situation would have done. I like all of you would love for him to surface and provide what he really knows because this amazing group of people would very quickly solve the problems inherent in this technology.It obviously has problems otherwise working lisenced versions would be widely available today.
A friend and I recently built Roy Meyers accumulator but we could not get it to work despite my addled mind and his 40yrs experience as an electronics engineer.So how do I know the TPU works? Because it has been done before and aspects of it are being reproduced.
Acerzw (Are you Joe Dirt?) Your analysis of late is brilliant. Never be discouraged. I doubt whether pyramids or religion or flying saucers hold the key but I guess everything can be thrown into the mix at this early stage. Do you feel the FLAME?
EM Devices.  Applause for establishing and faithfully posting negative results. It saves us all much wasted time. Thankyou.
So back to work.

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« Reply #349 on: October 25, 2007, 03:19:39 AM »
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Offline John M

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« Reply #350 on: October 25, 2007, 04:52:33 AM »
Hi Acerzw,

Very good write up on stage one and two of the TPU. One thing I have a question is why the Control Coils have different number of windings and gauge of wire for the primary as compared to the secondary?

John

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« Reply #351 on: October 25, 2007, 05:32:35 AM »
Robert (acer),

Nice to see you finally starting to see things the way they are....good post a couple pages back. Too bad not many others have also.

Only point I will correct you on however, is the use of BEMF spikes. Don't let anyone tell you strictly that there is ou in BEMF (inductive kickback is the correct term) spikes. It is not true, or at least not in the sense that just because the kickback can be used to increase voltage a substantial amount, there is ou invloved. In an ideal world, you would get back from kickback an amount equal to what you put in.

If it is true that there is ou the moment electron flow occurs in a wire (or coil perhaps), then it is also possible that ou exists in the kickback as well. But why do you mention kickback?

If you read one or two of the statements SM makes regarding the kick, you will notice that mention is never made of kickback, it is always initial electron flow. As I tend to be a purist, I would start there, not at the kickback.

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« Reply #351 on: October 25, 2007, 05:32:35 AM »
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« Reply #352 on: October 25, 2007, 11:15:52 AM »
Darren,

Just suppose Steven is right (afterall he did it) and there is a tiny amount of OU in the initial electron flow, and maybe there is also a tiny amount in the inductive kickback.

(and if it isn't in the inductive kickback, we can use this to generate another initial electron flow so again it will be there, as i hope you can follow this)

Suppose we are able to extract the both of them and we can recycle the energy resulting in a cop infinity system.

But we would be dealing with this tiny amount only so what do we do?
We make it happen many times to get to greater values....
Kick on Kick on Kick and release them all into a massive Inductive Kickback.

The Bemf like spikes are the ones we should see comming from a working TPU exept in the size and quantity as to give a greater voltage.

Storing the energy in a rotating magnetic field would result in a build up of energy and a runaway situation as the TPU does.

We only need to drive it up to the point where the gain overcomes the losses and the system will begin to feed itself, Catalyst.

Next step is to keep it there and not to go any further, Disaster.

Switching times are critical as all the energy between the initial electron flow and the inductive kickback are LOSSES.

the "on" time should therefore be as short as possible and so it does rely on how fast we switch on aswell as how fast we switch off the coils.

I personally believe there is no switching technique that comes close to the actual event of the inductive kickback itself, it manifests as the release of all the energy present in the field, at once, like an implosion.

Marco.



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« Reply #353 on: October 25, 2007, 12:52:31 PM »
nice  ;D

just about there are we ?

well break time 4 me

i have some verry important work to do  and its not the tpu  ;D

i guess it is time to work out my ou generator cores  ;D

l8r all

william 

@ raymond

it almost seems like i know you for some reason

@ the rest of u

how many of you are in the originals?  i dont expecxt an answer but i can think of 3 or 4 that were
why do we make this last sooo long ?!?!?!?!

you all know this device will only work for a short time DO YOU NOT!!!  AS IN 2012 !?!?!?!?!

COME ON GUYS up it........ i said this b4 i will be releaseing my machine and its inner workings verry soon i really hoped the tpu would be finished b4 this time comes i have had all of my materials for my generator for just about 2 weeks but left it alone to work on the tpu but with the laque of help made this job difficult for some one like me with almost no electronics experience i tried my best that i could all along but with little secucess but it is ok cuz the next phase of people can continue on the progress


but what if there is a trick that allows ss to work easly i bet there is   ;) sm said it would be difficult not IMPOSIBLE  to get the ring to work on ss outside the ring  what if it really dosent matter?!?!?!?!?!

hummm....

ist
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« Reply #354 on: October 25, 2007, 02:18:13 PM »
Marco,

EXACTLY!  ;)

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« Reply #355 on: October 25, 2007, 02:19:00 PM »
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« Reply #356 on: October 25, 2007, 02:42:35 PM »
Robert.

Bedini's system utilizing LA batteries and inductive kickback may indeed set up a negative resistance effect which enables ou generation. Don't count him out.

However, aside from this application of inductive kickback, just harvesting it electronically, will not yield ou.

The Bedini "Scalar Beamer"  is indeed his Clarifier patent. I had built one a few years ago, but as of yet not done too much testing with it. I was mostly interested in the "biological effects" at the time ;)

Just wondering how in your opinion, scalars and pyramids are connected?

You are no doubt familiar with the famous photograph showing the DNA like emanation of "something" from the tip of a pyramid being excited by a Tesla coil inside?

Cheers

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« Reply #357 on: October 25, 2007, 06:28:23 PM »
@z_p_e

How are you.

Listen, since you seem to be the current resident EE could you please look at this and let me know if this will work. Please don't laugh at my elementary method of explaining.

I have put a small diagram as simplistic as it may seem portrays the elementary way that I can describe what I am thinking in the EE sense. So please bare with me. The connections may be wrong I know, but it is only to get an idea across so hopefully it would have done just that.

In the diagram below, I have a transistor that is energized by a control coil, not by an outer voltage source. When the on/off button is put to on, the battery will energize field coil, that will energize control coil that will open the transistor connection to the field coil, as control coil loses its charge it will close the connection of the transistor to the field coil and this can go on and on. Is this viable. If it is, then I think from there I can make a TPU.

What I am trying to drive at is the open TPU control system has to be so simple that the operation count should be not more then 3 steps, and controlling all these steps should not require more than 6-8 components. If I am to refer to the open TPU circuit board and with what I have seen so far, there are two four-legged transistors (white) there is one variable capacitor, there are a few resistors or diodes or small capacitors and that's it. I am very skeptical to seeing anything that could potentially pulse a specific frequency. I think the resonance is achieved only by the variable capacitor that will adjust the pulsing speed off the control coils. There are no heat sinks.

This control circuit is so elementary that it could probably fit perfectly in most of Tesla's simpler patents.

I think the control is not achieved by the circuit, but by the natural charge discharge of the coils that play with each other around a few transistors. If possible could you  please correct the diagram so i can make a few builds for testing.

Keep well.

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« Reply #358 on: October 25, 2007, 06:43:34 PM »
The TPU is a "conversion device".

Is this a reference to converting between two types of energy?  Two different aspects of the same thing?


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« Reply #359 on: October 25, 2007, 08:23:47 PM »
Wattsup,

I'm a little confused by your drawing.

I would encourage you to use only graphics of SPST switches in place of transistors to help eliminate any confusion. Your ON/OFF switch could also be represented by this same graphic. Just use a dotted line to control the switch similar to how I showed in the attached drawing...(remember the Mike WM?)

I think I have an idea of what you are getting at, but I'd hate to give you some advice until I understand better what you are trying to depict exactly in your diagram.

Darren

 

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