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Offline BEP

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« Reply #330 on: October 18, 2007, 08:21:49 PM »
@ZPE

Yes. It flatlines when the probe is shorted to scope ground. I first suspected the signal was being generated by the scope. I have a very good handy-talkie with a general coverage receive in it. The range is 100kHz-1.3mHz. I cannot find the signal with the radio either with the normal rubber-duckie or a length of wire.

There is a second signal associated with the first. It appears as a very periodic pulse with long tapered oscillations attached. Amplitude ramps down slowly and drops to nothing suddenly after almost 500ms. The only way to see the shape of this one is to slow the trace horribly. I need a digital scope with storage to measure correctly. This signal appears about every 4-5 seconds.

I'm starting to think this is some kind of man-made time signal. I only see these signals with these coils as pick-ups. I don't even see them with my 80M dipole. Tonight I'll connect one of these coils to my radio and see if I can recognize the modulation type. If I can see it with the radio maybe I can localize.

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« Reply #331 on: October 18, 2007, 08:33:16 PM »
hey guys what is rotatinal current??


hummmmm...

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« Reply #332 on: October 18, 2007, 09:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #332 on: October 18, 2007, 09:01:52 PM »
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« Reply #333 on: October 18, 2007, 10:26:34 PM »
Thanks for that info. It is a possibility but the soldering iron and every electrical device in my house was dead -- hmmm... there are some devices that are battery powered.... Co2 detector?

I'll find out tonight - most likely a ground loop or neighbor's toys  ;D

EDIT>>>>

Well, I found it. The source of the signals and likely the extra power I was seeing in my last looped experiment is my laptop!. Don't ask how. I don't know and I'll not take it apart to see why. I think I need to do another EMI survey since my last bench rearrangement.
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« Reply #334 on: October 18, 2007, 10:36:02 PM »
hey guys what is rotatinal current??


hummmmm...

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@Is

That's a pretty broad question. I suppose it could be like saying water flowing through a coiled hose.
Some say it may also include the water spinning while travelling through the same hose.

I believe an electric field rotates while travelling when surrounded by a magnetic field. I'm starting to believe the electric flow and spin can happen because of a surrounding magnetic field. I think the usual thought is the stronger the magnetic field the faster the field rotates.

Hope that helps some.

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« Reply #335 on: October 19, 2007, 01:37:14 PM »
anyone care to talk about the first bolt coil i made?? the 4"  the collector is 13'1" it is 10 turns of 18 ga speaker wire around a 4" peice of pvc soooo......

that tells us the resonance of the collector is 7.5 hz or any harmonic of that freq also bolt said that 10 turns for all collectors as a basic but can be more so we know a 7.5 hz wave fits into 13'1" wire just right what do crystals resonate at?!?!?!?! that to me is the second harmonic componment of the earth  ;)

but who the hell knows

@ all do we really need 3 amps?? or can we do it with just 1?

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anyone know what happins when we pluse a coil that is in resonance?

anyone know what happins when we pluse 3 coils that are in resonance??

now can our first freq put all coils in resonance???

yes i think it can throught the harmonics of the 7.5 pluse so once all coils are in resonance what do we have to do??

DISTURB IT ?!?!?!?!?!

UNBALANCE THE EQUALLIBERAUM??

hummmm.....

so why would tesla say he wished he never invented ac current ??
well because he discovered rotational current it is a much higher efficiency  ;) and hell it works from the earth  ;D

i beleave it is rotational current in our collectors and we are collecting the secondary of this  if this is the case the collector is our primary and has low voltage high current  so our feedback wind should match our collector to a ratio depending on our output voltage we want to achive bolt has said that we get 1 v / wind on out put the 800v tpu has 800 feedback winds or output winds some of thease winds must power the coil the question is how much power is needed to self power  so what do our fets need to operate and our freq gennys? hummmm....  well lets see if there were 3 feedback winds on the final wrap each feed back could be used to power each freq or coil @ a certian time acording to where it is wound will reflect the time where the next coil will fire

always thinking  well most of the time :D
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« Reply #336 on: October 20, 2007, 10:10:24 PM »

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« Reply #337 on: October 21, 2007, 12:55:59 AM »
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« Reply #338 on: October 21, 2007, 01:52:03 AM »
@Acerzw

Thanks for that interesting read.

@all

This link is one pargraph but the last sentence jumped out at me so I thought I would put it up for some discussions.

http://hendrix.uoregon.edu/~demo/Demo/E_and_M/Capacitance/index.html

Also, I am still in the process of finalizing my diagram of the open TPU. I wanted to take some more time to get the most out as possible.

Regarding the small metal box that has the two wires going out to the lamps. I think this is a simple EMI Filter where the output of the TPU goes to the plug side and the side that usually goes into a circuit is simply going to the lamps. Most EMI filters are cromed on the outlet side, but i did notice that those which also had a voltage selector switch had the output end totally made of black plastic, so it is easy to cut the sections apart to only use the EMI filter having a black output end.

I am still stuck on the actual wiring directions which is painstaking to see, draw rough, re-follow, etc. Hopefully this will all come together by Monday night.

All the best.


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« Reply #341 on: October 22, 2007, 02:28:52 PM »
hello

i am working some theory about tpu

but i don't know if this is dead end

i was thinking if have metal rings and top of them you have Permanent magnet
and the copper wire goes trow the rings

then the wire goes electron tube

then the tube collect little kicks and makes one bigger kick

then the kick goes to Degaussing coil and makes demagnetic field onto rings "not  Permanent magnet"
when energy of degauss coil is gone then start all over again

is this possible?



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« Reply #342 on: October 23, 2007, 05:24:02 PM »
@btenzer

It was good to read your post on the Bruce thread. Thanks for confirming Litz. I have some pretty crazy ideas about the large TPU and will put them up on the Control Inside thread when I'm finish the main parts of the open TPU.

@All

I will be producing the final drawing on the Open TPU in another few days. I have noticed a few other things that need some additional viewing and working out the logic.

In the interim, I am putting out a more concrete version of what is inside the leg #2 with batteries and showing the push button switch.

As shown in the photo below, the leg is a wooden piece of corner trim, and I can see the round batteries bulging out of the outer slip on cover. I figure there is enough room in the leg, from the bottom of the leg to even inside the coil for up to eight 1.5 volt batteries.

The main problem is how is the energy from the batteries being directed to the control circuit so the circuit can pulse or generate a frequncy (which I doubt) onto the coils or collectors and without cutting the current to the control circuit in the process. The only thing I can think of is that the battery power is charging a small capacitor, then cut off, and the capacitor is discharged into the coil/collector. The battery power is probably going to the circuit via a few strands of the Coil #2 Litz wire. There are so many things you can do with Litz.

Guys have been pushing straight power into the coils, but I think this has to be done via a capacitor since Tesla had shown that a capacitor discharge is much faster then a straight voltage pulse. Anyways we'll see soon enough.

I have also done some testing on winding 11 turns for the collectors with 16 AWG lamp wire and using 1 - 12 volts straight impulses to see if there is any mag field and there is none or very little activity. The multi-strand lamp wire is still only providing one conductor and the voltage required to make even a small effect is in the 24 volts or more range.

The fact that the collectors are heating up also tell me that they are not being used to attract a field, but to produce a field. So this to me confirms that lamp wire is not used in the collectors and that Litz wire would be the most logical choice as each individual strand becomes its own thin collector and woud be more reactive to smaller voltage pulses. I am still waiting to get some Litz wire to confirm this.

If there is anyone in the Montreal (north shore) area that has some EE experience with making control circuits and would like to partner with me in this endeavour, please contact me by PM. I'll build the TPU, you make the circuit. There are about 10 variations that would have to be tested.

All the best.

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« Reply #343 on: October 23, 2007, 05:53:58 PM »
Those batteries could be small magnets.

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« Reply #344 on: October 23, 2007, 06:59:09 PM »
@all

Sorry if this has already been discussed extensively but ....
Has anyone been able to produce/detect a KICK? This should be a fundamental base for all the research. Also, has anyone try to produce a REPETITIVE KICKS with a single frequency, let say N_1 ? And what about trying to combine N_1,N_2,...,N_k frequencies ?

SM has A LOT of references on these ideas ... and somehow I am surprised that this is not being discussed. I apologize if this seems to be very basic questions and/or have been already covered. I red through many posts and only on few of them had some reference to my questions.

The complexity/dynamic of the TPU is so high that we can hardly believe that we can recreate it by trying to copy it ... although knowing the model/design will help.

A good reference site for Tesla's work ( for those of you how do not know it ... )
http://www.tfcbooks.com
Some of the early posts @ http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/
in 1893-02-24.htm, Tesla talks about charging and discharging a capacitance with given rate and thus producing a push of current.
If would like take a look at "ON THE APPARATUS AND METHOD OF CONVERSION" in the noted file. It is AT LEAST an interesting info.


Best to all of you,

 

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