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Author Topic: TPU - General Discussion  (Read 298600 times)

Offline innovation_station

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #315 on: October 17, 2007, 10:16:57 PM »
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@ grumpy  verry nice page

someone gonna make the first bang ?!?!?!?!?!


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« Reply #316 on: October 18, 2007, 06:13:57 AM »
Guys,

I have two more questions.  These regard the energy and heat aspects.

ONE
If the device produces 90 vdc, does that equal 90,000 mv DC. If it does, and the system works at 6000 herz, does this mean it is producing 15 mv per cycle OU.

So if the device consumed 1 volt per cycle and it produced 1.015 volts per cycle, it could produce 90 volts at 6000 herz.

I need to get this straight in my head cause then this would provide us with the range of energy required to be shuffled in this device based on howmuch we want to get back.

So does this mean that whatever the unit consumes per cycle, could be 1 to 6 volts let's say, if it produced 15 mv per cycle more, it would make the 90 vdc.

Can someone straight me out on this.

I mean there is enough on the table to start asking such questions.

TWO

Regarding the heat generated by the collectors, does heat denote resistance to a stronger current than the conductors can handle?

Or, does it mean the collectors receive energy pulses but cannot dissipate it fast enough so it heats up or there is no means to capture flyback.

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« Reply #317 on: October 18, 2007, 07:07:25 AM »
i think you are making too many assumptions. The biggest assumption is the device spins at 6kz thus making 6000 times X. But we don't know how fast it spins all we know is there is about a 5 or 6k component with the DC. For example if your mains transformer gives 60 hertz hum then there is no reflection whatsoever as to the power or voltage output of your system. The frequency (within reason) has no bearing on the voltage only the ratio of turns and the loading which is effected by the resistance of the coils.  For example we don't know what the core voltage is before its stepped up. It might be only 0.5 volts but 150 amps or there is NO step up at all and the voltage appears across the winding as 800 volts.

As for the collector heat well the exact mechanism is going to be hard to understand without a working model but SM said that regular stranded copper wire works better then thick stuff. For example if it were that easy why not use half inch copper pipe for the collectors then pump water through it to keep it cool and use the hot water for showers and heating? This is because at high frequencies the electrons run over the surface of the wire and not through it so multi strand wire would work better but thinner wire of lots of strands has higher resistance so more likely to get hot.......catch 22. SM said if you want more power make more collectors in parallel or series for more volts.

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« Reply #317 on: October 18, 2007, 07:07:25 AM »
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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #318 on: October 18, 2007, 07:25:24 AM »
hehehe Manix see what ya started dahhhh hily S......hahahaha  now over 30065000 post must be a record lol

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« Reply #319 on: October 18, 2007, 08:48:34 AM »
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« Reply #320 on: October 18, 2007, 09:22:51 AM »
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« Reply #321 on: October 18, 2007, 11:20:16 AM »
well guys it looks to me like we need to see a hetrodyne wave and we need to look inside of the wave to see what is in there  ;)

maybe you will find your kicks!!!

ist

in my expericience with this style of  wave is that if you increase the last freq the kicks as i call them become more and more and there tonnes of them inside a wave

take 3 freqs with nch tone generator  it does not matter the freqs say 93hz 94 hz and 245 hz  look at the wave then add some 00 at the end of the last freq  look at the wave agin

what is the diffrence?!?!?!

ok here is a hetrodyne wave done with 90 90.5 and 245
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« Reply #322 on: October 18, 2007, 12:43:54 PM »
@EM & BEP

I recall one of bolts posts where he stated that SM had said a couple of posters were getting close before, I think since EM's breakthrough here it is probably worth you guys taking another look at those posters work, if you can find it, to see if further insights might be gained in the light of your new knowledge.

From bolts post with words that resonate highlighted  8):

"SM has very nearly spilled the beans on this risking his freedom and pay packet. He is right he has said far too much already. SM mentioned Bushwacker and Freedomfuel for getting close. Bushwacker dedicated most of his time working on the Hope device. IMO it will never work he is only making a cooker peizo coil but he was named because he was injecting AUDIO sine waves into his hope device. However the guy reads like a crank to me every post was about abductions and threats  from MIB  which i very much doubt they would be interested in his cooker coil. Freedomfuel was mentioned because of his excellent theory. He was bang on correct about how this works but for some reason i recon he saw the potential good and BAD and decided to walk away. But he deleted over 100 very critical posts and was leaps ahead of most other on here 12 months ago. For all i know he has a working model."

Link to bolts post:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg49823.html#msg49823

Has anyone an archived copy of Freedomfuel's deleted posts? (Mine doesn't go back that far) If so please post as ZIP copy here for all.


Acerzw
maybe http://www.archive.org/index.php can help you

like this
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,400.0.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20061030064540/http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,400.0.html


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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #323 on: October 18, 2007, 01:34:52 PM »
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« Reply #324 on: October 18, 2007, 02:21:05 PM »
Hello all,

@Acerzw

the last few weeks I worked with deflection coils from TVs. I posted this or maybe not. Such a deflection coil can easily be a kind of TPU. There are coils working with a frequency of 15675 HZ, 2 of them and the other 2 coils at a frequency of 50Hz (Europe). Now imagine, when 1 of the resistors or caps changes their values. The higher frequency could get muuuuch higher and you have the disaster. Not to forget that this deflection coils have also an vibration and the height of the outer coils is 44mm like in a TPU. With the mentioned frequencies you already have a little accelerator and when the frequency gets higher there is needed only a very short moment to have a run away situation.

Why are you all speaking about the frequency of 5 or 6kHz???

When you have good coils, then, when you pulse them at HIGH frequencies ( the higher the better) and when you hit the right frequency mix your TPU ( or power supply) will

1. start to pulse at a frequency of the earths magnetic field (seen on my power supply)
2. start to vibrate at 5 - 6kHz (didnt see this in the time of over a few months ago)
3. connect itself to the ionosfere like Freedomfuel said (saw it before my run away with a little magnet)

Everything I mentioned is happening automatically. So I dont see why to discuss soooo low frequencies of 5 or 6kHz.

Come on guys, I ordered tubes only to pulse my coils with frequencies of over 200kHz!!!! and now youre speaking of such 5 or 6kHz. Just forget this frequency. At the right frequency mix you will hear this 5 or 6kHz. Dont worry about this.

Otto

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #325 on: October 18, 2007, 02:32:59 PM »
@all

Great points. I think we should disregard the reasons for where the ether is comming from and just concentrate on the pratical aspects. We could always work out these questions once our reading lamps are lit with an open TPU.

For the collectors, I think someone should draft an official description of what a collector is. How does a collector collect to become a collector? And maybe what is the main differences in construction of a coil and an inductor.

But, if you define a coil as an initiator of a field and a collector as an attractor of a field, then the coils and collectors on the open TPU could physically be either or.

Both components could produce electro-magnetic fields and both components could induct or react to electro-magnetic fields.

The only concrete physical clues we have on the coils and collectors is;
- coils #1 and #2 receive a magnet, and
- The collectors get hot enough for SM to do a three touch then pick up. He then says "these things do PUT OUT some heat".

Usually when you say Put Out, I remember my father would say this also for some components that are driven when a faulty component in a circuit caused other components to put out heat. These were all driven.

My gut tells me the collectors getting hot all shout out, "Hey, we're not collectors already!!!. We're the ones turning the fields both ways around the coils, that are not coils but inductors". Why would you put a magnet on a coil. I've done this millions of times like everyone else, does not do much. But put a magnet on an inductor and away you go.

I just can't comprehend how much magnetic field transfer there would have to be, to accomplish such a heating up of the collectors. It's just does not make sense. Does an antennea heat up when it catches radio waves. Then why would a collector. If a collector was collecting field action, logic has it that it will only collect what it can and leave the rest in space. It could not collect so much as too heat up.

So what I am thinking is the four collectors are not the collectors. They are used to procude the mag fields.

If you pulsed the collectors in two's but in alternating polarity, each set of two collectors would be like a turning ball. Each ball would turn around one of the coils #1 and #2. The third coil is vertically placed and could be used as a single control coil since it is facing both sets.

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« Reply #327 on: October 18, 2007, 05:06:20 PM »
Since there is discussion about frequencies here and this question is about my current TPU attempt maybe someone has an answer.

When figuring coils characteristics one of the first things I do is use it as an antenna and connect it to my scope. This just to see where it performs best with ambient noise and signals.
I've done the usual to isolate possible sources - killed the mains for my house - bench is in the basement - gone to battery for equipment power - disconnected grounds - so on.
I keep seeing a very short group of AC complex sine about every 150ms and regular. I'm talking about very small amplitude generally around 80mv at the mid high point. It ramps up and back down in equal time frames. The width of the signal envelope is about 10ms.

Does anyone have previous experience with something like this? The coils I'm using are the ones I posted a pic of earlier in this thread (the green ones). This signal is from one of those coils. This coil is not attached to any other device. The orientaion doesn't effect the signal seen.

Thanks

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« Reply #329 on: October 18, 2007, 07:07:07 PM »
BEP

Have you tried just shorting the scope ground to the probe to see if anything is there?

 

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