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Offline innovation_station

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #285 on: October 16, 2007, 06:44:07 PM »
it almost sounds like we want to use its self to induce a secondary of its self  use a magnet to produce a secondary electro magnetic feild witch we tap  but with out any physicial movement 

so what might be the freq for the earth electro magnetic feild ? it seams like we disturb the first and harness the diffrences on the second and use some of the diffrences to refire the first

crazy talk

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« Reply #286 on: October 16, 2007, 06:44:46 PM »
@Grumpy

Funny you should say electrostatic. I was getting the feeling that the open TPU having plexiglass rings would have favored some electrostatic exchanges.

@Marco, BEP and also IST thanks for your comments.

Well, seeing as though I'm not worth two bits with the EE stuff, I decided to try this relay pulser which did work for a very good while but I finally blew two of the contacts. So I will try to get a few more maybe bigger capacity. I wanted to keep it in the 4.5 volts or less range to simulate 3 x 1.5 volts batteries, but I will do my further tests with maybe a 9 or 12 volt relay. I'll keep the pot thing in mind if I can understand it. lol

But I did notice that when I put a small coil the relay worked fine, but when I connected my 6" dia. x 4" high TPU mock-up of the 17er, having a center copper wire core and four vertical coils, set up like Ottos classic connection scheme (Hey it's a classic), the relay would not pulse. I think my relay was blew when I did this so maybe my TPU has too much power demand and is not leaving any power left to the relay.

I have realized by these small tests that whatever is used to drive the coils or collectors, given a finite energy source has to be well matched with the energy consumption for driving the coils. If the circuit takes too much, there will not be enough for the coils. If the coils demand too much, there will not be enough to the circuit. But I guess you guys know this already. Given this observation, having 3 coils with about 16 turns would be the maximum I would venture at such low votages.

I wanted to get away from looking at the video because I needed some time away to change my perspective. Looked only once at it last night and when SM pressed on that button I was laughing. Geez allllllllll this time went by and we only notice this now.

Tried finding Litz wire locally but all the places I usually go to "have never heard of Litz wire". Cannot believe it but it's true. So I will start buying some wire online and from a few companies. I will get some to also try as a Primary on my CBC. Hummmmmm.


By the way, look at this fat bugger.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/Inductor-15-mH-Litz-Wire_W0QQitemZ300160555083QQihZ020QQcategoryZ7288QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem

Maybe not good for a TPU but at 7 lbs. it might be nice to have for future projects. lol

Anyways, while I get some Litz wire, I will make my own using 14-16 strands of some 29 AWG mag wire to approximate a 16 AWG wire. Just to do some small testing more along the TPU lines. What I want to indentify is the physical size of a magnetic field with a coil and two collectors as per the specs I gave earlier, based on varied voltage settings.

I would like to try pulsing the coils and measuring the collectors, but I will also try to pulse the collectors and measure the coils. This may be working backwards since you can have collectors with litz wire, taking half the strands to pulse one way and the other half of the strands to pulse the other way. This would produce to fields moving in opposite directions and by timing the pulses, they should meet at the vertical coil #3. Like when SM slaps his hands together.

I can't help but think when SM says "there is not much to this device", and when I look at the circuit inside the TPU, there is not much to it at all. There is basically 4-5 components. I'll post a blow up of as much as possible on the circuit soon.

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #287 on: October 16, 2007, 07:16:13 PM »
In which video does SM slap his hands together?

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #288 on: October 16, 2007, 07:33:06 PM »
HI
TOANDERSTEND MY ONLY YOU NEED SMALL PIECES OF WIRE ABOUT 5 cm THEN YOU MOVE PERM,MAG  HORISONTAL THHEN VERTICAL OR AROUND  YOU WHILL SEE THE DIFERENTS VOLTAGE  YOU MOST MOVE THE MAGNET WHIT THE SAME SPEED TO SEE THE DIFERENT BEATVEANE THIS 2 DIFERENTS MOVING OF MAGNET   8) 8) 8)

Ok - I tried your test.

I used a 6 pole magnetic motor.

All magnets poles the same - North Poles facing out.

Rotor turning at 200 rpms

Connected scope probe to one end of 20cm copper wire. Ground not connected.

Held wire in both vertical and horzontal position by passing magnets.

I did not see much difference.

Please make a video of your setup so we can see what you have done


Hi,

Simple test performed with the idea from MAEDONIA  CD.
A clamp A-V meter ( it may be a normal one also ). An Ethernet cable ( well ... this what was in front of me at the moment ) and a Super Strong NdFeB 7/8X1" Neodymium Magnets, N42
Moving ( well ... quite fast up and down ) the magnet a long the cable generates voltage in the range of 40-60mV moving it ACCROSS the cable ( for sensible reasons only around 180 degrees ) sparks voltage in the realm 160-190mV. Sometimes the meters goes to Voltage scale but only 0.0 is flashed on the LCD so I can not confirm higher spikes ( this is not to say they are not possible ).

Regards to all,

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Re: TPU - General Discussion
« Reply #289 on: October 16, 2007, 08:44:26 PM »
@all, gibber, gibber, gibber, froth from mouth etc....

SOR [Start of Rants]
Core Dump in Progress to tty1.

Rant 1 - Hardware is a distraction - What is the TPU's operating principle?

My gut tells me that SM's comments regarding the field rotating in different directions in different hemispheres, and the TPU not working upside down,  hold an important key which we are all missing!

I just know it, the key I think, lies in SM's more simple statements... about the TPU's interact with the environment, these must reveal the fundamental mechanism, since the energy comes from the environment... All the speculation regarding the exact hardware used is distracting from the discovery of the fundamental basics... So many clues... so little understanding by us all...

where is the energy from?
what type of energy is it?
which of the physical reactions SM describes, vibration, heat etc is fundamental?
which of the reactions is secondary?

The TPU is simple, the operating principle is likely very very simple... Once the theory is understood the hardware will virtually build itself, the hardware is not complicated...

Regarding the 'orientation' problem, it is clear that this problem is a key result of the fundamental operating principle of the TPU, it is clear SM changed the design of the TPU to detect its orientation and adjust the operation of the control circuit to compensate... but the 'problem' was still there, still a fundamental effect of the operating principle, SM just engineered a around it... it is this type of clue that will reveal the operating principle, environmental interaction, the exploding TV is another example...

So what fundamental operating principle, what energy, or field interaction, would be affected by the orientation of the device in relation to the earth?

Rant 2 - 'Rotating field? WTF!!!'

Maybe I am stupid but if I pulse a control coil wrapped around a TPU's main coil, the induced energy in the main coil must propagate outwards in both directions either side of the control coil.. symmetrical propogation... so it does not rotate... even if I then hit it with another blast from another control coil further around the coil... that will also propagate in both directions, particularly if it is at a different frequency.. remember SM's comment regarding Tesla and multiple flows in a single conductor...

Any rotation of any energy must therefore be purely a secondary effect, of some kind or interaction of the coil field with an external field, so why is it orientation sensitive (subtle link to Rant 1)... so you guys, why?

Rant 3 - Do TPU's still work?

Has it also occurred to anyone that the TPU's operating energy might disappear at cyclic intervals, how do we know that the TPU's in the videos are not being used a door stoppers because they no longer function? Some sources of environmental energy do this, for instance this is from the Borderland website:

UPDATE ON THE COIL / ORAC EFFECT -- 24 April l990

1. The COIL / ORAC EFFECT device was tried out in February 1989 and did indeed work, although the deflection was quite small. Several other variations of this device were tired, however none of them have indications of current which were any better than the original.

2. Around March of 1989, the Coil / ORAC effect began to diminish, and eventually "went dead". Different ORACs were tried, along with variations in wiring. Nothing seemed to make a difference. However, around November of 1989, I tried out the coil and galvanometer arrangement with a newly constructed 20 fold steel and fiber sheet box ORAC. The Effect was once again present, and back to levels of current readings corresponding to those observed originally. The Effect is currently active, and further experimental work with it is continuing as time permits.


EOR (End Of Rants)

Anyway some food for thought, I have my RGB rants off my chest now.... :P

Acerzw
« Last Edit: October 16, 2007, 09:24:44 PM by acerzw »

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« Reply #290 on: October 16, 2007, 09:32:09 PM »
We've been restling with these questions for a long time now.  ???

SM on "south of the equator":

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YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE
TELL ME WHY?

SM on Rotating field (notice he does not say a rotating "magnetic" field:

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YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.

SINCERELY,

SM.

The rotation direction could be "influenced" by the earth's magnetic field.  This does not "imply" that the earth's amgnetic field is the source of energy.  In other words, TPU's still work on the equator.

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« Reply #291 on: October 16, 2007, 09:56:05 PM »
i think the rotation ends up becomming our wave when the 3 freqs mix!! 

and when it comes around it is like a light house on the water and the wave that is the coard or the light and makes our control /collector ringg

the wave is verry cool looking i will see if i can shoot a vid of this wave later on tonight i used nch tone generator to produce this wave using 3 freqs

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« Reply #292 on: October 16, 2007, 10:09:54 PM »
@ acer

I think that trying to figure out "why" the TPU works is a fruitless venture.  SM said that they spent years figuring out that they could not figure out "why" it worked.

Now, obviously SM new "how" to make it work.  So working from this angle, and we attempt to figure out "why" it works, so that we can then figure out "how" to make it work, is an oxymoron.  ;)

Now, if I have not totally confused everyone, let me say this.  Tubes (amp) should be the thing to experiment with, because we know that it is one of the things of "how" to make it work.  Also, I am working on the Tesla Magnetometer angle that SM talked about, as to figuring out more of the "how".  If SM and company couldn't figure out the "why", and they knew the "how", there is no way we are going to either figure the "why", or figure the "how" from the "why".  :)  We can only figure out the "how", and that from both SM's specific instructions, and clues.

Cheers,
Bruce

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« Reply #293 on: October 16, 2007, 10:11:10 PM »
We've been restling with these questions for a long time now.  ???

SM on "south of the equator":

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YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE
TELL ME WHY?

SM on Rotating field (notice he does not say a rotating "magnetic" field:

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YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.

SINCERELY,

SM.

The rotation direction could be "influenced" by the earth's magnetic field.  This does not "imply" that the earth's amgnetic field is the source of energy.  In other words, TPU's still work on the equator.

Hi
i was always thinking it starts with a rotating mag field, and then when the frequency's go up it goes into RF field rotation, which is transparent,the compass stops.
then it is not two wire induction but it will behave more like an antenna of a transmitter and the one on top of a car where the body is used as a ground connection.

basicly i was thinking this is what changes at a certain speed/frequency, and it also explains the interference around the device.

M.

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« Reply #294 on: October 16, 2007, 10:29:27 PM »
"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE."

This tells me:
1. the rotation is part of the device
2. it is likely only one 'collector' is performing this key function he is speaking about in the above quote

What is doesn't tell me:
1. this rotating field is magnetic


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« Reply #295 on: October 16, 2007, 11:00:57 PM »
As far as I have been able to ascertain, Stephan Marinov's MAGVID, a RMF device, went into a pulsar mode at a frequency of 30 MHZ (drive freq for coils - 90 degrees apart).  There is never a mention of lightning strikes or other electrical anomolies in relation to the MAGVID - only the light beam. 

This, coupled with other information about RMF's has led me to believe that the TPU is not a RMF device.

You have to create one hell of a difference in potential to call down lightning...

In the previous quote on perpendicular wires - this statement can be taken that the perp wires are necessary and not the rotating field.

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« Reply #296 on: October 16, 2007, 11:14:27 PM »
perhaps the rotating feild is inductive

to the collector

hummmm...

is

kinda like the garden hose squeeze
might that be the cause of the heat
also where might eddy currents find there place here ?!?!?!?!?!?!?


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« Reply #297 on: October 16, 2007, 11:54:10 PM »
Like Jason stated in his treatise "Phase Relationships and Harmonics in the Steven Mark Toroidal Power Unit":

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By using sharp, high voltage impulses, it is possible to stimulate a coil into resonance using one-wire and virtually no power consumption.

An induction coil, will trigger a single coil of wire into oscillation with a sudden change of potential.

EDIT:

In other words, a convection current produces the same magnetic field as a conduction curent of the same magnitude.

"Convection curent" = electrostaticly induced current

"Conduction current" = Electromagnetically induced current
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« Reply #298 on: October 17, 2007, 01:09:18 AM »
HI ANSFER 
YOU DONT NEED ELEKTRONICS FOR TPU TO MAKE KICK  8) 8) 8)

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« Reply #299 on: October 17, 2007, 01:12:56 AM »
Here is what I need to find out:

If I can induce a current in a wire (collector) via an electro-static (dielectric) impulse, and then take this induced current and run it back into the control coils, will I gain anything?  Will I get an increase in the control coils, which then results in an increase in the collector?  What wuld stop it from running away?  Does it somehow reach a point of saturation?

What I'm getting at is, how is the TPU looped back to itself?  How is it able to run with gain?

Hard questions to answer.


 

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