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Author Topic: Testing a SMOT  (Read 41623 times)

z_p_e

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #45 on: September 29, 2007, 04:58:45 PM »
One other aspect of this setup that may be getting overlooked, is the fact that magnetic fields are conservative.

The SMOT magnets do impart energy to the ball by raising it against gravity, but in an equal and opposite fashion, they will take back that energy (due to attraction) upon the release of the ball at point C.
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bluedemon

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #46 on: September 29, 2007, 05:17:38 PM »
This reminds me of the seinfeld soup-nazi episode.

Omnibus = SMOT-nazi

No OU for you!!!!
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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #47 on: September 29, 2007, 05:36:13 PM »
Quote from: z_p_e on September 29, 2007, 04:58:45 PM
One other aspect of this setup that may be getting overlooked, is the fact that magnetic fields are conservative.

The SMOT magnets do impart energy to the ball by raising it against gravity, but in an equal and opposite fashion, they will take back that energy (due to attraction) upon the release of the ball at point C.

Permanent magnet magnetic fields are conservative, but since the magnetization of the ball is not constant, your conclusion doesn't follow from that.

Cheers,

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Liberty

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #48 on: September 29, 2007, 06:20:53 PM »
Quote from: z_p_e on September 29, 2007, 04:58:45 PM
One other aspect of this setup that may be getting overlooked, is the fact that magnetic fields are conservative.

The SMOT magnets do impart energy to the ball by raising it against gravity, but in an equal and opposite fashion, they will take back that energy (due to attraction) upon the release of the ball at point C.

I have a differing opinion on the matter of energy to and from a magnet.

It appears to me by observation, that not only does the magnet impart a magnetic field of energy in attracting the ball; but that the magnet also exerts even more energy (magnetic force) to prevent the escape of the ball once within the attraction field of the magnet.  The magnet does not appear to 'take back' energy from the ball to the magnet, because the magnet has no apparent ability to store energy from external devices. 

A magnetic force in a magnet is the result of aligned magnetic particles, as I understand it.  It is apparently a function of the magnetic material itself to maintain it's own magnetic particle strength via the electron at the atomic level.  When a magnet is demagnetized, it is simply returned to a state of random disorder of magnetic particles, where the internal magnetic particles favor the nearest flux flow toward each other, causing a cancellation of the external magnetic field in a closed magnetic loop with each other. 

I agree that the magnetic field from a magnet tends to be conservative, normally.

Just my opinion though, but I believe it has merit. 
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z_p_e

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #49 on: September 29, 2007, 06:54:40 PM »
In saying the permanent magnets "take back" the energy imparted to the ball in the first place, the reference was not in terms of losing or gaining magnetic flux, but to energy imparted to the ball; first as potential energy, then as kinetic energy.

In the video it may appear that the SMOT magnets have no affect on the ball as it leaves the ramp, but I assure you it does. There will be an attraction to the ball as it is released, and is set free from the ramp only due to inertia and gravity. There will be a small amount of loss in the process, and the amount should be equivalent to the amount gained by the ascension to point C.

So in summary, it would not matter how high or how long the ramp is (there are functional limits), the net kinetic gain from point C to point A is the same if the ball is dropped from point C minus the height of the ramp, to point A without the presence of the ramp.

Minato's wheel is a good example and analogous to the effect the SMOT magnets have on the ball. He uses slanted magnets tapering in on half of the perimeter of a wheel. An external magnet is used to cause rotation. The wheel quickly accelerates out of the "gate", but when the first magnet comes back around, the "gate" is closed and the wheel is quickly opposed, so rotation stops.

In this case, the energy gained is not enough to overcome the opposing energy required to push through the starting gate. To make Minato's wheel work, the external (hand-held) magnet must be "skewed" in position to allow re-entry into the accelerating line of magnets. The process repeats.
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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #50 on: September 29, 2007, 10:43:59 PM »
Think about this. Say you have one smot going across the atlantic ocean towards europe. And you have one smot going from europe to america. The only energy you used was to get on. There was energy involved making it, but that is a differen't period in time. The smot jets you across the atlantic ocean with the use of barely any energy. Say you want to go back. A guy pulls a lever and in comes this open square shield box. The transport is pulled out on a motor and set next to the other smot that will take the man back. The man has his fun in europe and comes back to the smot. The motor bumps the metal transport back into the euro -> america smot. He jets back to america and the process repeats at the other side. Now ask yourself this. How much energy would that take versus how much you put in?

Whatever it is, sounds a lot less in the long run than normal transportation. ;D
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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2007, 01:35:03 AM »
The problem with the thought process is that in the last 2/3rds of yous SMOT there is a is a weak field. Something like the bloch wall but not as strong. This will stop forward movement.
Jason
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HopeForHumanity

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2007, 01:42:36 AM »
I've always known the sticky point, but i have never observered that effect. Could you please describe why?
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Nastrand2000

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2007, 01:51:00 AM »
look at the earth, a common misconception is that the magnetic field goes from north pole to south pole. But the fact is, that at the equator holds the most magnetic fulx differential. Our world looks like a figure 8 with the magnetic field and not a dipole.
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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2007, 06:44:42 AM »
Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 05:13:14 AM

You will stop ignoring the above conclusive findings or else this thread will have the fate of the thread @hartiberlin just closed.

Yes xpenzif,

But they say Omnibus is a Professor of Physics and as such HE, and ONLY HE determines what can be said and what cannot.

Wake up xpenzif, even you must bow to authority eventually.

Hans von Lieven

Professor of Physics Leads Out anyone who does not follow the Party Line
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acp

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2007, 11:23:49 AM »
What I'd like to know is what "Elite member" means?  Omnibus seems to have this status along with 20 or so other users. I suspect they are paying a monthly fee to be rid of adds etc. But it also seems to allow them to break the rules one agrees to when registering on this forum. The fact that Omnibus is paying a monthly fee would explain the administrator's reticence in calming this user down. It is inexplicable that Humbugger was banned and not this character, but then again, Humbugger wasn't an "elite member".

Whats more, any merit the smot may have is certainly being damaged by the pedantic fanatical postings of Omnibus.
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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2007, 11:43:13 AM »
The main fact that Omnidork chooses to disregard, is that the SMOT have
been around for a long time and been tested rigorously by lots of people, both
technicians and scientists and they have all found it not to be OU.
It's only the many times fanatic free energy community that continues to
accentuate the SMOT as the final proof of OU being possible.
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RunningBare

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2007, 05:20:15 PM »
Yup, definite proof that Omnibot is the God of physics, damn pity I don't believe in Gods  ;D

Quote from: xpenzif on September 30, 2007, 06:36:23 AM
Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:04:51 AM
Stop spamming the thread.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:11:43 AM
Don't try to poke fun in this thread. This is not an entertainment rag and is not a place for comedians, especially when they are not funny at all. Don't clutter the thread with nonsense.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:12:28 AM
Hey, retard, don't mess with me.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:13:20 AM
Stop cluttering the thread with nonsense, you moron.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:24:02 AM
Stop spamming the thread wit your impudent nonsense.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
Stop spamming the thread.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:42:12 AM
Go away. Your stupidities don't belong here.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:43:13 AM
Go away. You don't understand the problem at hand and are only cluttering the thread with stupid remarks.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 09:59:53 AM
Don't spam the thread.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 10:06:28 AM
Mine are not beliefs but is a solid, rigorous scientific proof. So, if you don't get it, and you obviously don't, go away, don't clutter the thread with nonsense.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 10:18:05 AM
You find funny things which are actually serious. Why? Because you have no clue. Don't post here because your posts are nothing else but clutter.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 10:19:35 AM
You think you understand but you actually don't. The blabber above is another proof. Just go away and don't bother cluttering the thread with nonsense.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 11:08:13 AM
That's crap.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 11:09:02 AM
Never mind. You're not qualified to discuss this.

Quote from: Omnibus on September 29, 2007, 11:10:25 AM
That's crap. Posting on youtube.com doesn't make you qualified to discuss this. Restrain from posting and cluttering the thread with your nonsense.

Stop spamming the thread.
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hansvonlieven

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2007, 07:19:55 PM »
G'day all,

I don't know if anyone noticed that the above quotes are all from the 29th September, in fact all 15 quotes were uttered in the space of two hours and six minutes. That is a lot of venom to spew in such a short time.

It is now the 1st October (at least here in Australia) and we haven't heard a word from him since.

Maybe he is being a good boy and is taking his medication.

Hans von Lieven
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hartiberlin

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Re: Testing a SMOT
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2007, 01:47:38 AM »
Quote from: Honk on September 30, 2007, 11:43:13 AM
The main fact that Omnidork chooses to disregard, is that the SMOT have
been around for a long time and been tested rigorously by lots of people, both
technicians and scientists and they have all found it not to be OU.
It's only the many times fanatic free energy community that continues to
accentuate the SMOT as the final proof of OU being possible.

@Honk,
please stop to post this nonsense !

Last warning !

Of course the SMOT is overunity.

You don?t seem to understand it.

« Last Edit: October 01, 2007, 02:48:07 AM by hartiberlin »
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