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Author Topic: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(  (Read 21909 times)

Offline clearchrome

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Hi,

I've had a successfull self runner for 1 min until the magnet detached themselft from a strong 3m tape (dual side type) and changed the rotor magnet configuration (Damn). I did not take the time to ajust perfectly the magnets perfectly first time, but it turn out that a unstability in the field cause a rotation field.

I have tried a 2nd replica with the same setup and more perfectly adjusted and positioned this time, but I think that doing it perfectly made the effect go away.

Here is the picture of my 2nd proto.


I will attempt to redo all my step from start.


Can anyone tell my what is wrong with this setup?

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Offline clearchrome

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A better view of my setup, using small cubic 3/16 magnets.

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I made myself a curved stick from several (7 ) the same cubic magnets for the stator part, this will not change in my 2nd attempt as it ran pretty good with it. The curve of this stator is not circle, looks more lire a parabolic shape and it is in repel mode to the rotor magnets.

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The main idear was to validate this design

got it from  http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/index.html

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Here is the 1st Proto ...Actually not much to show here ...just the actual cd with 3m tape on it.

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Offline clearchrome

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Also ... I've been experimenting on my own " halbach magnet array" . I used the same principle as described here

http://www.matchrockets.com/ether/halbach.html

but i made a 3d arrangement of this with 9 magnet cubes.

      o
      V
   o>x<o
       ^ 
       o


-This "+" configuration has the advantage of tripling (concentrating) the magnet flux 3x more at the center.

-Another funny unexplained phenomenon I noticed is that I actually have 2 North poles facing both sides at the center!???

Another remark, , the flux is not cancelled on one side as the simple halbach array descibes ...(never got this to work anways) lol.



Legend:
  o = magnetic flux North pole coming out of magnet (North pole on Top)
  x = magnetic flux South pole going tru the magnet (North pole at Bottom)
  ^ =  magnetic flux North pole place at  0 degree of the magnet
  > =  magnetic flux North pole place at  90 degree of the magnet
  V=  magnetic flux North pole place at  180 degree of the magnet
  < =  magnetic flux North pole place at  270 degree of the magnet

In the pic, you see a 30cm ruler with "crazy glued cubic magnets" on it.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2007, 04:51:58 PM by clearchrome »

Offline Freezer

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I can appreciate your frustration, as I've put together many failed magnet configurations with no luck.  I'm am still trying and will continue to try and make it work.  It does almost seem impossible, but remember, its only impossible till someone does it.  Thinking about the reward helps as well, no not money, but seeing it spin on its own forever..  Its possible!  Its possible!  Maybe give us some 2d drawings, if you need some help creating a drawing I could possibly help, but as far as telling you whats wrong and why doesn't it work, I dont know.  If people knew, we would have a working setup by now.

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   Howard Johnson said that for it to work, an imbalance must be created and then nature would try to correct it.
That is what will make it work. Keep on going for it. You had one, so you found the key. Just reaffirm it now.

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Thanks guys, having people beleive in me is really encouraging me to open source everything I find. I'm really lacking sleep since my sucess, I'm just going crazy over this ... when you know it works ... my hearth is just over exited and pumping heat and I can think straigth anymore. I will have to leave this for a day or two and come back again when I calm down.

My mail goal is to cut down on those 500$ hydro bills for 2 months usage I've been paying last winters. My expenses and income are not balanced at all (so is the motor! ;) ) .. tend to go in negative. So I'm extremely motivated to get everthing working again ASAP.

I know there is are several magnetic simulator out there. I've been trying to get a hold on one of them, what is the best one I can use? Is there any demos or free ones? What is the simplest one I can use?.

I'm also wondering ... with all the computing power we have our hands (CORE DUAL 3GHZ+), the simulator can do the working labor for us!

I need a magnet simulator that can figure out the correct magnet cube positionning from my initial trial setup and moving the magnets according to a specific mathematic formula pattern until I get the rotation field effect.

The only way I can prove this to you guys is by running a computer simulation so  that I can base my magnet assembly according to it. Also it will help me understand the basic principles for easy replication with the tolerance limits and variables of its construction.

Let our computers do the labor work. If one can decrypt a complete human DNA sequences in a couple of days, i'm sure there exists a simple program that someone can do to find the answer. If not, i'll propably do one myself in VB or Excel.


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great effort keep up the good work......if you get it running again film it as it will give you valuable insights frame by frame of what is happenning
Mark

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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 04:22:03 PM »
Ok, I beleive I found the main key of my working design.

In every magnet motor design I saw to this date, as a key point missing explaining why they tend to be a failure design.

This key point is the fact that magnet are FIXED (stable) to a specific surface.
                Stable = Balanced = will stop eventually

What I mean is that every magnet in rotors or stators are FIXED and does not move to adapt the moving field and generate the same boring magnetic field around their configuration and leads to a stop after few turns.

The difference between my first setup and my second is that I removed the 3M dual sided tape. Without this tape, no matter what setup I put my magnets in , I had failures.

Here come the hearth pumping knowledge that made my success.

If you think in a more 3d aspect of magnetism, to make an unstable magnetic field , the configation needs to change in a way that the stator or rotor has no time to adapt for stabilisation.

A way I manage to do this is by having free floating magnet placed on a 3M tape. As the repel mode magnet passes over the magnet on the 3M tape, the magnet position changes, and in turn changes the magnetic configation of the global field.

Is there a Magnetic field simulators that takes this into account? Rotating magnets?


Will post a hand picture drawing of what I mean later on...

« Last Edit: September 26, 2007, 04:55:56 PM by clearchrome »

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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2007, 04:22:03 PM »
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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2007, 04:32:05 PM »
great effort keep up the good work......if you get it running again film it as it will give you valuable insights frame by frame of what is happenning
Mark


Yes I will , beleive me! loll I'm mad that I haven't done this the first time because I never expected a sucess that fast.

The problem that I had is that the 3M tape is not holding the magnets in place, they tend to move with time as the glue is not strong enouph. As soon as I find a valid solution, I will have my cam beside me all times.


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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2007, 05:14:39 PM »
I'm looking for 5 types of mini non magnetic bearings to prove to you guys that the concept is working.

Type of possible bearings that would sit on a 3/16" magnetic cube

 X,Y, XY., Rot-C, Rot-CW.

-The "X" bearing would only allow X axis pitch movement of the magnet.
-The "Y" bearing would only allow Y axis roll movement of the magnet.
-The "X-Y" bearing would allow X-Y (pitch and roll) movements of the magnet.
-The "Rot-C"    would only allow Z axis Clockwise rotation.
-The "Rot-CW" would only allow Z axis CounterclockWise rotation.

See the point!?

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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 08:10:33 PM »
Hi.
I have nothing to solve your problems, but I want to say that I think that your observation is perhaps the solution for many others.
How often did we hear about device that woked as long as a stator was held by hand? All those devices failed as soon as the stator was mounted. But perhaps the stator should be flexibel mounted (like your Scotch tape)? Perhaps the Minato wheel works when the stator can move a bit back and forward?
Thanks you for sharing your observation.
Regards,
Eric Vogels.

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Re: Magnet motor , tried to replicate a 2nd working proto. Unsuccessful so far :(
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2007, 09:32:45 PM »
Ok, I beleive I found the main key of my working design.

In every magnet motor design I saw to this date, as a key point missing explaining why they tend to be a failure design.

This key point is the fact that magnet are FIXED (stable) to a specific surface.
                Stable = Balanced = will stop eventually

What I mean is that every magnet in rotors or stators are FIXED and does not move to adapt the moving field and generate the same boring magnetic field around their configuration and leads to a stop after few turns.

The difference between my first setup and my second is that I removed the 3M dual sided tape. Without this tape, no matter what setup I put my magnets in , I had failures.

Here come the hearth pumping knowledge that made my success.

If you think in a more 3d aspect of magnetism, to make an unstable magnetic field , the configation needs to change in a way that the stator or rotor has no time to adapt for stabilisation.

A way I manage to do this is by having free floating magnet placed on a 3M tape. As the repel mode magnet passes over the magnet on the 3M tape, the magnet position changes, and in turn changes the magnetic configation of the global field.

Is there a Magnetic field simulators that takes this into account? Rotating magnets?


Will post a hand picture drawing of what I mean later on...



Keep up the great work!  I built a drawing that shows using the tape in an "L" configuration on the magnets.  As the force is applied, the tape allows the magnet to tilt/shift, which might be a way to reproduce the effect you saw before.  IF this turns out to be true, I suggest you look at using a real hinge, as it would be more stable than tape but still allow the rotational movement.

Regards,
jeffc

 

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