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ashtweth_nihilisti

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Suppression - OT
« on: September 26, 2007, 05:53:42 AM »
Edited

I am happy to admit i was wrong about Rick, Marica and John and made a mess of things based on what i was fed, This does not make it right but should make me look like enough of an ass to never react the same way again.

Rick, happens to be a fair and honest guy and very forgiving, Marcia is a voice of reason and very compassionate too. John well he is his own Genre. Ash well Ash has allot to learn and would like to sincerely say thanks to Marcia and Rick and John for being understanding and SORRY from me for the confusion. I intend to make up for all this. For the record John, Rick and Marica were NOT in the wrong here. I was.

Ashtweth
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 01:42:13 AM by ashtweth_nihilisti »

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2007, 05:57:13 AM »
As posted in EVGRAY Yahoo 


Re: A Note to John Bedini, RICK HEAD and Marcia


First tell John he has achieved nothing like Bearden, only confusion
[+ suspicion] and a delusion that they have the rights to the universe
with their GIFT they think they own. They are lucky to have their
insights from mother nature and are not fooling any one, plus would be
nothing with out the FE community Building.

Tell Johny B, The wars in Iraq and Soon Iran would be no existent if
People like Kone, Gene, Hector, Patrick, EVGRAY etc were in the
drivers seat (i think they are closer NOW then ever).

And tell John to stop pretending that he discloses every thing, if he
did people would understand and have a working system to capacity.

Many tell me off list about this, when our proposed granted PUBLIC R
and D center becomes a reality you will be on a different playing
field, so lets see how productive it is for you not to help the FE
community and attack their Panacea shall we RICK HEAD?, strap your
selfs in Rick head, Marcia and JB.

JB was lucky that GRAY showed him some thing, we are not as the RICK
HEAD Jr didn't not tell every one, even after he got shot.

RICK HEAD, John and Marcia, its time you all forgot your SELF
INTERESTS, grew up and realized you all are not fooling any one and
never will no matter how much you think you are.

I have decided to communicate from now on with out profanity and
address things with out the reactive mind which cripples and enslaves
every thing Humans do.

The community which i call Panacea, has contributed more [and can
potentially] to advancing education and replications then all of you
put together. Certain individuals who make up a .00001% of panacea Ie
MYSELF, have gone to great lengths and continue too to get this
information BUILT, promote it, get grants under way, create security/
awareness, and support the open sourced engineers.

Plus thanks to Patrick have made it understandable beyond the need/
HOLDING BACK of making you three ####"S ANY money.

Ask your selfs RICK HEAD, JB, Marcia and Bearden, does the financial
well being of you all really count against the world community and
CURRENT children living in poverty? Should these children die whilst
technology can save them and our future, do you really need to get
rich to eat and survive?.

Time for a reality check Rick head, Tell John that laughing would come
back to bite him if he was living in Cuba around the time of CHE.

Tell him i said that, not panacea.

And that an Altruist (myself) would be right beside CHE. I may not use
profanity any more [well its censored], but i still have allot of
justified aggression. There still could be people like CHE alive NOW
inspired against subjugation, poverty and who are reactive to LAUGHING
at SUFFERING.

So i don't think the well being of humanity and what the FE community
are doing is a laughing matter JB or Rick head, so don't post that
provoking #### here EVER again.

The open sourced individuals in the FE community, will be the ones who
reform the sickness that is the self interest attitude you guys
continue to display. In fact it shows an un great full attitude to the
FE community who sacrifice their lives to HELP each other and FE.

Despite the panacea university promoting Bearden, we were attacked a
whole back for that and had to take that down, this will be exposed
with this stunt.

Now this, the same person is at it again only this time RICK HEAD this
issue is being addressed in the back round and we will have a nice
exposure coming up to show the FE community who really supports them.

Marcia has given us all we need legally so far and continues too, you
are not fooling any one either.

Now another positive note.

This is a special and unique time to be involved with FE. Soon it wont
be a small community populated by people who are serious about
ALTRUISM, collective sustianability and de- centrlaization

IE -FREEDOM for our KIDS RICK HEAD

Once the public catches on, sites like the panacea university
will get the deserved support and the engineers will have the publics
respect and a granted center.

So Bedini and bearden who did not take this inciative and or support
it, will be forgotten and the label in our PUBLIC center will be like this

:A group dedicated to exploring Tesla type technologies for tapping
into Radiant Energy (RE) or Zero Point Energy (ZPE) through abrupt and
unidirectional electrical impulses into cells with diamagnetic
dielectric materials. Theory-Radiant Energy equals Zero Point Energy
or Random Fluctuation of the Active Vacuum. This energy source is not
entropic; it could self-organize under certain conditions.-end

Not SG or Bearden, or Rick head PTY LTD.

Tell Marcia to sit tight too, and don't put a mocking post [quoted
below] in this group EVER again, your among MEN here mate.

Respect to all

Ash


--- In EVGRAY@yahoogroups.com, "rickfriedrich" <rickfriedrich@...> wrote:
>
> Just got off the phone with John about other things. He just laughs at
> you guys in all this silliness. John says to you guys, just keep on
> talking about me. I like the fact that there is a monopole on the front
> page of this list.--> I guess you can't do the Gray setup after all.
> And as always he asks what are you going to do when the lights are out?
> Or what have you really accomplished after all this time?
>
> Bye folks,
>
> Rick

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2007, 06:00:00 AM »
G'day Ash,

Tell them simply to get stuffed. You have every right to publish material acquired under the circumstances you describe. These litigious arseholes do not own the world yet, as much as they would like to.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2007, 07:09:46 AM »
Suppression - OT    


(as posted in Bedini SG)

Every now and then a gifted person such as Patrick Kelly enters our
ranks and gathers together and presents in a very understandable way
the innermost workings of free energy devices, in this case John
Bedini's energizer. This is done as a labour of love with no though
of any remuneration. We can all appreciate the help that this brings
to our own constructions.

My replication was presented in Patrick's "D3" document. It was on
file here. Now it is gone. It turns out that Patrick has been order
to remove all Bedini material? even from his own hard drive? do you
consider this a lawful directive?


"Dear Mr. Kelly,

Cheniere Press, John Bedini's publisher, requests that you remove all
John Bedini material, quotations, schematics, designs, etc. from the
files that you publish, edit, or distribute. They must be removed
from the your websites as well as from all computer-readable media.
Snip
This request is not negotiable.
Please email us to indicate your compliance.

Sincerely,

Marcia Stockton
Director - Finance & Administration
and Copyright Enforcement Officer
Cheniere Press"

This is an outrage. The material in D3 is from the forums, other
individuals, such as myself, plus his own contribution. John freely
gave out this information to us and never at any time placed any
disclaimer on this information, such as, "do not build this device,
do not copy or disclose these schematics to others, do not quote my
words, do not disseminate this information, do not discuss this
information?" Therefore all this information that has been so
generously given is now in the public domain. It is not subject to
copyright.

Let's not let this person get away with this travesty. Lets keep
together and support Patrick and the free exchange of our reason for
being, the furthering of free energy devices.

United we stand.

Ron P

Finally something I may be qualified to speak on.  The directive may in fact be lawful.  What you are arguing is that John Bedini waived his copyright.  Here is the pertinent section of 17 USC 106A

(e) Transfer and Waiver.

The rights conferred by subsection (a) may not be transferred, but those rights may be waived if the author expressly agrees to such waiver in a written instrument signed by the author. Such instrument shall specifically identify the work, and uses of that work, to which the waiver applies, and the waiver shall apply only to the work and uses so identified. In the case of a joint work prepared by two or more authors, a waiver of rights under this paragraph made by one such author waives such rights for all such authors.  

The fact that the information is not being used for profit is not relevant to the waiver analysis.  It would be relevant to the fair use analysis, but you are not claiming fair use, nor would fair use probably apply.  That is a whole other argument, but most likely, it would not apply because it (1) of the portion being used is substantial and (2) becuase of the negative effect on the market value of the copyrighted work (it sounds like many of the secrets are being given away).

It also is not enough to claim that the information came from forums.  If the forums basically cited the copyrighted work, then the fact that the information came from the forums is no defense.  If there was original content on the forums, then of course that is not subject to the cease and desist request.

Finally, it is not enough that Bedini shared some of his materials with Kelly and others.  Just because Bedini was silent as to what Kelly may do with those materials did not give Kelly the right to do as he pleased with them.  Waiver of copyright must be in writing, as required in the US Code section cited.

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2007, 07:29:20 AM »
Edited

I am happy to admit i was wrong about Rick, Marica and John and made a mess of things based on what i was fed, This does not make it right but should make me look like enough of an ass to never react the same way again.

Rick, happens to be a fair and honest guy and very forgiving, Marcia is a voice of reason and very compassionate too. John well he is his own Genre. Ash well Ash has allot to learn and would like to sincerely say thanks to Marcia and Rick and John for being understanding and SORRY from me for the confusion. I intend to make up for all this. For the record John, Rick and Marica were NOT in the wrong here. I was.

Ashtweth
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 01:43:50 AM by ashtweth_nihilisti »

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2007, 08:53:45 AM »
G'day Hans, thanks mate, we are un covering some very interesting information about these blokes, ill forward you an email off list, we are in the process of finding out more, and will expose them irregardless.

@Shrugged where did you get your Quals from? a rice bubbles packet?

""When the internet became popular I was there... I freely posted all my work for people to use and discover what I did." "I do make "My" information public, maybe I should not."
 John Bedini"


I am a licensed attorney in Texas, USA.  You asked the question - I tried to answer to the best of my ability.  I guess you are mad because you did not get the unconditional thumbs-up response you expected.  Frankly, you come off as an ingrate after I spent time answering your legal query, and I won't bother to do so in the future.

In the meantime, go ahead and run around like a chicken with its head cut off, moaning about the publisher getting "off with this travesty."  If you have the original Bedini-signed document - great; if not, your citation from your own website will not cut it.  Hope your friend has money for a lawyer.  Oh wait, why doesn't he just use his free energy generator and sell power to raise money for a legal defense?  What, you say, the device does not actually produce power?
« Last Edit: September 26, 2007, 09:44:55 AM by shruggedatlas »

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2007, 02:33:10 PM »
ALL FREE ENERGY MUST BE FREE, ALL ZERO POINT ENERGY MUST COST ZERO, ALL DISCOVERIES MUST BE OUR GIFT TO THE WORLD, RORY

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2007, 02:37:05 PM »
If they have a copyright, they can require you not to provide copies of their work, such as on a website.  This does not in any way obligate you to remove personal copies from your hard drive.

Also, they can't copyright information (data) itself, only their specific expression of that information.  If you arrange the data in a different form, it doesn't matter where the data came from, it's legal.

However, this rule probably gets abused by copyright holders all the time, who don't realize they can't own sports scores, etc, and their victims unfotunately either do not stand up for themselves or cannot afford to get decent lawyers.

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2007, 04:16:44 AM »
Edited

I am happy to admit i was wrong about Rick, Marica and John and made a mess of things based on what i was fed, This does not make it right but should make me look like enough of an ass to never react the same way again.

Rick, happens to be a fair and honest guy and very forgiving, Marcia is a voice of reason and very compassionate too. John well he is his own Genre. Ash well Ash has allot to learn and would like to sincerely say thanks to Marcia and Rick and John for being understanding and SORRY from me for the confusion. I intend to make up for all this. For the record John, Rick and Marica were NOT in the wrong here. I was.(surprise surprise).

Ashtweth
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 01:31:58 AM by ashtweth_nihilisti »

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2007, 04:44:20 AM »
Edited

I am happy to admit i was wrong about Rick, Marica and John and made a mess of things based on what i was fed, This does not make it right but should make me look like enough of an ass to never react the same way again.

Rick, happens to be a fair and honest guy and very forgiving, Marcia is a voice of reason and very compassionate too. John well he is his own Genre. Ash well Ash has allot to learn and would like to sincerely say thanks to Marcia and Rick and John for being understanding and SORRY from me for the confusion. I intend to make up for all this. For the record John, Rick and Marica were NOT in the wrong here. I was.(surprise surprise).

Ashtweth
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 01:32:54 AM by ashtweth_nihilisti »

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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2007, 04:32:06 AM »
This is the banned Humbugger from the technical group where my real friends hang out EVGRAY, humbugger followed me there and was banned for the same useless drivel he posts, there we are a technical group who Build and soon kick his ass out.

How ever he has snuck back into EVGRAY and here

Stefan it seems he goes back and edits his posts to be positive , this guy is obviously mentally ill.

I dont find it objective here to post informaiton and deal with this, if you moderate and or remove this user i will consider returning.

Ashtweth


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Re: Suppression - OT
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2007, 05:14:00 AM »
The law be damed lol. Who gives a flying shit about the law. Build whatever you like, copy whatever you want - keep your mouth shut. The world will be free when the last politician is strangled with the entrails of the last lawyer!