Hans:

Fantastic photo!  I have a question for you.  Would the information that you post here on this forum be considered publishing?  I am not up to date on internet law, which is accelerating so fast I doubt anyone can keep up with it.  the reason I ask is this...suppose you publish an idea here on your Keely project and someone sees it and rushes for a patent.  I know the spirit here is open source and I agree with that spirit.  I was just wondering that if this indeed happened, could you then make their patent null and void based upon your prior publication of the idea on this site?  If this is the case, then I think a lot of people would be even more open with their ideas and projects. 

One day, I would love to hear a detailed explanation of what I have observed in your latest photo of the resonator inside a resonator.  I am just amazed at what has been buried by history and time.  Who ever constructed that apparatus (Keely) obviously had a plan for doing so and I believed it did what he said it did.  Thanks.

Bill

G'day Bill and all,

Just about everything I am saying about Keely here I said some time ago on my website. My website carries a copyright notice and therefore anything published here and there is, as far as the law is concerned "publishing". As far as I am concerned the project I am trying to stimulate is open source. I do not want any money or royalties, perhaps not even recognition for my contribution if that is the way it pans out. I simply want to make Keely's technology accessible to everyone. Not the dreamboy theety weety esoteric bullshit that has been floating around for over 120 years and has never done anyone any good, but the real stuff.

I know I am putting myself into the firing line by doing this.

As of now I am starting a new thread called "Dissociating Water, A Keely Project". This is an open source project that is accessible to everyone and everyone is invited to participate.

See you there.

Hans von Lieven

Patents should be rejected and can be invalidated by "prior art".  The term refers not only to copyrighted publications, but also to opensource, public domain, etc.  If yo publish something, and can provide evidence of the content and date, then a patent for an invention with the same characteristics is not valid.

Regards,
jeffc

G'day all,

This thread has been asleep for a while and I thought it was dead.

Today I received an E-mail from someone who has evidently done some work on my problem. I am just waiting for his permission to publish his communication, in the meantime have a look what this guy has done with a mathematical programme. More later, here is a screenshot:

Hans von Lieven

G'day localjoe,

Actually I don't know what he used to create the spiral. The idea is to create a spiral that is identical to Keely's.

I am trying to find out exactly what algorithm Keely used to create his diatonic scale of which we have a photograph. We do know he used musical scales and harmonics.

Early days yet, but this is a big step in the right direction.

Hans von Lieven

I don't get it Joe,

This is just a circle of fifths arranged repetitively along a spiral. It doesn't make sense musically. I would like to know where you found this arrangement and what it is supposed to mean.

Hans von Lieven

I feel everyone should read this

http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/SODA_chapter5.html

 Greek philosopher Pythagoras discovered a wonderful mathematical relation between the harmonic notes in music. He noticed that by depressing a string in different positions on the fingerboard of a guitar like string instrument that harmonic sounds were created. Some notes sounded better than others. At each depression of the string the string is divided in two different lengths and the ratio between these lengths were measured by Pythagoras. He marked down all the ratios that sounded harmonically well together. In this way he found the following ratios:

1:1 (open snare)
1:2 (depressed at 1/3 of the length of the string)
3:2 , 5:3,  13:8,  21:13, 34:21
 
What Pythagoras had discovered is called the Diatonic musical scale, named after the fact that the string is divided into two lengths (Dia = two).

These ratios correspond with the frequencies of the notes produced by the white keys of the piano when attuned in the Diatonic scale. After the 7th note the octave of 8 notes is repeated only this time the first and the eighth note are doubled in frequency! The next 7 notes of the white keys on the piano follow the exact same ratio!

Now if you have been paying attention you may already have noticed that the musical ratios discovered by Pythagoras are the same ratios of the Fibonacci sequence! Simply take a number out of the Fibonacci sequence and its successor and you have the musical ratio found by Pythagoras.

The Fibonacci sequence is the sequence that gives us beautiful harmonics in music. The diatonic scale is not the only musical scale, there are many more, in fact no piano today is tuned in the Diatonic scale. But the principle relation between harmonics in music and mathematical progressions of the Fibonacci sequence is real.

Now let?s pretend that we?ve tuned a piano in the Diatonic scale and that we have extended the piano?s keyboard with keys to provide for 49 octaves! That would be one hell of a piano and it would certainly no longer fit into your living room!
But suppose that we could actually play on this piano. When we play the notes in the last two highest octaves, the keys on the furthermost right side of this piano, will correspond with the frequencies of the colours of light!
There are seven keys in the highest octave that are the frequencies of the 7 primary colours of the spectrum of light, the 7 colours of the rainbow!

So not only does the Fibonacci sequence define the ratios of harmonics in sound but also in the electromagnetic spectrum of light, it defines the 7 colours of the rainbow!

Music and color, the same harmonic ratios

We now know that many musicians like Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin, Bart?k, Schubert and Debussy used the Fibonacci sequence and the Golden Mean ratio deliberately not in the notes but in the composition itself. For instance Beethoven used the Golden Mean in his famous Beethoven?s Fifth. His famous opening motto not only appears on the first and the last bar of the symphony but also on the bar that represents the exact Golden Mean point of his symphony! Bela Bart?k used both the Golden Mean and the Fibonacci sequence deliberately in his compositions using the measures 5, 8, 13, 21, 34, 55 and 89 to introduce new instruments such as strings, cellos, percussion etc.


After reading this one I believe youve stumbled upon something much bigger than i initially thought and it defiantly proves Keely wasn't a con artist to any nonbelievers out there still..... He was in the know of this sacred geometry and used it in his work
 

Im simply blown away by the implications of these findings and the parallels between this Keely work giant killers tpu and the rodin coil theory azerzw has talked about everyone should digest these 3 pieces of data I've posted in the associated forums it wold benefit many people here .

Yep. I was blown away when Hans posted the Keely site. Talk about the Holy Grail dropping in your lap! That is why I built the Keely generator so damn fast, with the Bucket-o-vibes, The Bose Acoustic radiator standing wave, and had IS do the 3 speaker heterodyning. There was no experimenting here. Just turn these things on and get garanteed phenomimal results! Like pluging in a microwave oven! And even now I have a fantastic piece of equipment on my bench that reaches far into the past and future for testing. It's amazing. It is like having an o-scope 100 years ago.

--giantkiller. Thanks for the reference.

Some speculative thoughts :

If I want to build a "3 phase" "keely motor" operated
by 3 frequencies - I would choose 3 complete
independent frequencies based on primes -
3,5,7,11....
By feeding the frequnencies in series 3 - 5 - 7 -
and hook up a "filter" which filters 5,7 out for the
phase 1 resonator, 7,3 out for the 2nd resonator -
and 7,3 out for the 3rd - connect everything with the "wire".
By playing 3(on the wire) - I can excite p1, playing 5, excites p2 ....
... operating a motor by playing a triole .....
just speculation.
Thats frequency multiplexed controlling -
crazy musician.
Same principles - different technology (unique).