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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: ashtweth_nihilisti on September 20, 2007, 04:32:54 AM
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Hi All, hopefully we will get to these tests this weekend and trouble shoot with the inventor of the circuit, here is the neon peak detector which is configured to extract resonance from the RUN cap on the prime mover, David Kou (Inventor) reports this charging a secondary battery with no reflection to the first.
W are talking to him now and attempting to get him to walk us through the replication , will have videos and measurements soon.
The Half wave and Full wave is for the peak of the sine wave. Peak will extract more power.
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sorry circuit is attached,
Guys more people should try this
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http://rapidshare.com/files/57395467/neontestresultstest1of2.zip.html
Video and snaps more tests later
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Hi Ash,
interesting !
Did they measure, how much power was drawn from the
primary battery into the inverter during these tests ?
Okay, they only thing that was shown in this test was, that
the neon circuit could extract some 38 Volts rectified chopped DC voltage from the
neo circuit when loaded with 2 light bulbs.
Normally, if not loaded by bulbs this output charges up the secondary battery, right ?
Now it would be interesting to know,how much power was drawn during this test
from the primary battery.
Looking forward to more tests.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Stefan, Sure this was only a warm up, more tests coming today, Will measure primary and secondary
Yes the resistance makes the voltage drop! so we are hoping the battery will bring it down cant charge a battery with such high voltage :P. We are still learning about this circuit, form Daivd, yes usually it is used to charge a secondary.
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Okay, we need to debug the circuit first, we have new information which will be helpful for others and are adding in a new write up.
" debug the circuit in two parts as previously described on a low impedance dummy load, BEFORE connecting up to a battery.As described in the debugging scheme parts 1 and 2, starting with the neon
fully off, are you able to turn VR1 gradually so that the neon just starts to flash occasionally. If so, you should be able to begin to sense any over-loading at this stage (from the current draw and sound of the RV), and then back off VR1 so that you don't blow the fuse.If you don't notice any increased load when the neon is flashing occasionally, then you can continue to adjust for the neon to be on more (or most) of the time."
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I requested your removal Hissy but the moderator option failed. So I am making it public and requesting your removal from this forum, to whom that may concern. Ashtweth is busting his butt to get open-source info. out there and what are you doing? He is simply relaying the info. that he is given and in the R and D mode of all technologies there are ups and downs but we must all maintain an excitement and faith that we will soon create FE in every community. He appears to take this a little more serious than you obviously do. There are 24,000 children who starve to death daily, there are 6,000 who die daily of aids. Over 3 billion people survive on less than $2 usd a day. Only 8% of the world own a vehicle. This is not someone else's problem this is yours and mine. Jason
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Cheering while Ashtweth humps the leg of every free energy faker that comes down the pike will not feed any starving children or cure AIDS. This is the truly sad part of the hypocracy going on here. I fully expect to be removed at any moment. Only idiots and their cheerleaders are truly welcome here.
I think banning anyone is a big deal. Hissy, I'm not sure if your intent is to contribute to this forum, if even by skepticism, or if indeed your goal is to bully those here because you are completely against the goals of overunity.com. If it is the former, then I would think you are welcome here, but if the latter, then I think it is the moderator's duty to strongly consider banning to keep the forum productive.
Again, skepticism and criticism are actually a necessary part of progress, we should not remove those negative types just because they are not "cheerleaders". But criticism needs to be critical of the forum topics, and not personal attacks, and also posts that are just pure disruptions have no place here as well.
Regards,
jeffc
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Hi Ash,
looking forward to your new data.
I cleared out this thread from offtopic postings.
Regards, Stefan.
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user:
HissyfitNihilism
was banned from the forum due to spaming.
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Thanks Jason and Stefan.
Okay sorry about the delays, we have had to move house into a new work shop and will have the De bugging report this weekend hopefully. Try moving 4 RV's over 500 kilos worth, new work shop has new equipment and allows us more time to test these circuits for the board snaps coming soon.
thanks for being patient guys.
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Guys this was Given to me by a friend and may help with the tests and or the understanding of the circuit.
You should also check that the caps get discharged completely during the discharge cycle.
I think that the idea behind those pulsed discharge / semi-resonant charge systems is exactly like that. So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal. I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach.
Try to find a proper digital multichannel scope, that can calculate the math multiplications between the channels, then you can use one channel for measuring current using some shunt resistor and second channel to measure the load voltage. If it reflects too much back on input, try to reduce the sizes of diode plug caps and see what happens then.
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Guys this was Given to me by a friend and may help with the tests and or the understanding of the circuit.
You should also check that the caps get discharged completely during the discharge cycle.
I think that the idea behind those pulsed discharge / semi-resonant charge systems is exactly like that. So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal. I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach.
Try to find a proper digital multichannel scope, that can calculate the math multiplications between the channels, then you can use one channel for measuring current using some shunt resistor and second channel to measure the load voltage. If it reflects too much back on input, try to reduce the sizes of diode plug caps and see what happens then.
"So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal"
How would that apply when charging batteries? When you're charging a battery, it won't discharge the cap below whatever the battery voltage is!
"I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach"
I thought the claim of these neon extraction circuits was to change virtual reactive resonance power to real useful power without adding any load on the source! I must be confused.
What is this thing supposed to do again? Somebody please explain! I'm scouting for a class project on free energy devices. Is this a good choice for something to build?
Linda
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New user eh, hmm (ow boy lol)
I don't suggest you try this if your begging with RV sorry. I would start with the RV laymens , then progress to the energy saving compilation.
So far David Kou the inventor has been the only one to report success with this, and engineers are only starting to replicate it, many of us are learning for the first time, we are currently being walked through it with David, and are publishing his lab notes on it, some are advanced some are laymens, we expect to have these edited and our tests reported soon.
EDIT, after seeing this users comments in another thread, mentioning and asking if some one had given me money for some thing and or if i didnt carry out some thing [to discredit me in some way],it seems suspiciously like Hum/hisy i am afraid the RV is not friendly to those who cause trouble and who don't build any thing to verify any results. I suggest a moderator log this users IP and verify it against the banned users, this writing style is also consistent with the banned user names.
Slow people can never get ahead :D ;)
For the board Given By David,
"There are several variables to test with to see how much power can be
extracted; Amplitude (with a variac), frequency and duty cycle (if
the inverter has the capability), values of C1, C2 and C3, and
impedance matching of load.
Impedance matching is worth looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Impedance_mismatch as mentioned by Rain and Hector. It would probably
be better to have a step down transformer before pulsing the battery,
say 5:1 ratio voltage step down (and current increase). Some people
say 2.5 times the nominal battery voltage is the ideal value voltage
pulse to charge from. Watch out for the reflected impedance on the
thyristor side, because it is the square of the turns ratio. For
example, in the case of a 5:1 step down, a 1 ohm load will be seen by
the thyristor as 25ohms, and will increase the time constant of the
discharge.
Maybe think of the charge battery as a LC resonant system in the RF
range being hit with a voltage/current spike.
Perhaps mechanical load on the RV is a factor also, I don't know
because my tests have been with RV alone, and just bearing friction
(bearings a bit old)."
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"There are several variables to test with to see how much power can be
extracted; Amplitude (with a variac), frequency and duty cycle (if
the inverter has the capability), values of C1, C2 and C3, and
impedance matching of load.
Impedance matching is worth looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Impedance_mismatch as mentioned by Rain and Hector. It would probably
be better to have a step down transformer before pulsing the battery,
say 5:1 ratio voltage step down (and current increase). Some people
say 2.5 times the nominal battery voltage is the ideal value voltage
pulse to charge from. Watch out for the reflected impedance on the
thyristor side, because it is the square of the turns ratio. For
example, in the case of a 5:1 step down, a 1 ohm load will be seen by
the thyristor as 25ohms, and will increase the time constant of the
discharge.
Maybe think of the charge battery as a LC resonant system in the RF
range being hit with a voltage/current spike.
Perhaps mechanical load on the RV is a factor also, I don't know
because my tests have been with RV alone, and just bearing friction
(bearings a bit old).
No selfrunner yet, I'm still learning to walk :)
davidkou"
Date: October 3, 2007 9:14am David Kou's response was directed to EVGray Yahoo member "DonnyD3" inquiring about why his replication of the Neon circuit was drawing 61W extra power and only producing 44 Volts across two dimly-lit 75W bulbs in parallel. He also asked David about self-running RV systems, saying he heard David had built one using the Neon circuit. Anyone with a Yahoo ID can instantly join the EVGray forum and check this information.
David Kou - "I have yet to do the measurements to see how fast the load batteries are charged in relation to say an identical Run Battery on an inverter used to power the Prime Mover. I'm not making any claims of OU or looping." Note: "looping" = "self-running"
http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:Deliverance Peswiki April 2007
@Ashtweth Nihilisti:
Thanks for your advice. I'll steer wide of your RV projects. Can you explain these discrepancies? It seems as though you have been very dishonest with the readers here and are now trying to hide it.
Linda Damiani
Duly noted: Mr. Nihilisti has edited out David Kou's last sentence from his post (see the complete original here above). As is fully evidenced below, Mr. Nihilisti claims repeatedly that the Neon Extraction circuit of David Kou provides for a self-running RV setup. Mr. Kou himself clearly denies ever reporting or claiming any such thing. What is going on here? I think an explanation is in order.
This kind of disinformation propagation is utterly disgraceful in any realm of true scientific research and would result in immediate ostracism and total permanent loss of credibility.
All of these are verbatim quotes posted by Ashtweth Nihilisti on this forum:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2157.msg31543.html#msg31543 May 17, 2007
"?my non profit organisaiton http://www.panacea-bocaf.org, has just been given an open sourced replication of a self running electric motor with a neon switching circuit?"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,203.msg46389.html#msg46389 Aug 29, 2007
"?Never mind the lights or loading the Alt reactive power , We are basically saying to try the attached circuit (Neon its a few posts back), as it is the reported OU self runner. our will be ready for testing this weekend..."
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg47990.html#msg47990 Sept 7, 2007
"?We will soon be uploading our water fuel cell replication and self running neon switching RV demos
all open sourced [plans and videos]?"
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg48374.html#msg48374 Sept 9, 2007
??The self running Neon circuit has been reported by David Kou in France as working and is on the RV page, we have replicated the circuit and will be testing it on our RV next week??
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3270.msg48817.html#msg48817 Sept 11, 2007
"?As far as RV OU goes, the most creditable source and report we have is the Neon switcher done by an open sourced engineer in France..."
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg49545.html#msg49545 Sept 14, 2007
"?build David Kous reported self running RV neon circuit?"
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Those that come to myself for help get it those who cause trouble get it, its the laws of nature.
Good luck with your research to, i am largely skeptical of who you claim to be based on your writing style and your comment in another thread, if you build some thing and prove it, i will answer your future questions. wehter your Hum or not, i feel you are sorry.
If you acquire an RV and circuit, i will support you if not, then you hum.hisy and or linda or who ever you are, may dwell in skepticism, i would not ask people if i have ripped them off in the future, as you may loose credibility your self, actually scrap that make as many inquiries as you wish your questions were answered despite the conditions presented to me, so you can resume with out my help.
time wasting and off the topic remarks, annoy people like me, i am here for results and research, and building devices and many more projects.
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okay mramos and the banned Hum, you are both out of the RV threads for good with my help and any RV engineers i know who would of helped you as far as i am concerned.
Stefan i feel we need moderation of these type of posts, this is clearly dis information and malice, The Neon you are looking at is constructed by us, not to mention what ever else he is saying is clearly dis informaiton all informaiton posted is referenced by the author David,
This user seems to like causing trouble too.
It would be nice to get moderation in here to prevent users like this holding people who have things to post to help, if this is the case in future then i feel it is objective to post in the RV threads.
After having to go through one incident i have the time or desire to go through another.
mramos fo build your smot and hho I'm sure you have allot to contribute and can teach people a few things lol, mean time i wouldn't expect me or any one i know to take you seriously.
if i was the mod in the RV threads here we wouldn't have to deal with this, try that shit over at EVGRAY and see how QUICK like HUM you would be banned sunshine, so don't fool your self with your malice, building the RV and bullshit no ones interested and are not impressed.
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Linda.
Sorry you wasted your time. I did too.. And others. But for some reason he keeps on living here.
If you read his comments, are you "begging" or "beginning"? I think that was his intended insult, he can not even get them right.. And his OH GEE WOW stuff. That would tick me off.
Do not give up here. Just move to other projects.
SMOT is cute, HHO gas has merit.
What is your background (leave it in another thread). There are people that can use a good set of hands/talent here and explain their thoughts/logic. Look at the Keely post maybe.
Every post that does not work (from this guy), he has a friend that says try this. I doubt he has done anything but try to speak for people that have nothing that works. If they did they would be here sharing... I know, the MIB scare the real people that he speaks for so they need him. Good luck to them/
Not sure what your IP has to do with as I would think they are blocked here. :)
And far as you trying any more of HIS projects. I will repeat. He has no projects. Just attaches to something and plays the expert.
To mramos:
I have long ago learned to avoid talking negatively about others. The worst I'll ever do is ask questions. As far as this goes, I have invested nothing except a few enteraining hours reading and observing which I have enjoyed and I don't feel any need to engage in an online battle. This episode is great for my project research, anyway.
As far as my background, I don't mind revealing that I'm not a very young lady. I have been an artist and a creative person and have also been involved in business. I ran a gallery for some years and then through a new relationship and an exciting move, got involved in promoting biotechnology investment in Europe. Now I have started a late career going finally to finish college and get a degree in mechanical engineering. I plan to work in medical device and prosthetics with my life partner and others.
Thanks for your interest and please, as you say I should do, just walk away from this troubled angry man. He will find his own way as you will and I also. Peace to you and all.
Linda Damiani
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Please see my recently-edited post back a few in this thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3332.msg52830.html#msg52830
I think someone has been grossly misrepresenting other people's work and owes the forum and the inventor an apology.
Linda
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How the Fawk does this person keep coming back here? how the fawk does a banned user again and again come back here.
Ill clear up for the board if hummbugger us not removed then you can find your result ts else where
Ill clear for others in case you are getting suckered into this dick head again (For the last time)
The circuit is reported to have no reflection on the primary battery, David has not loaded the Shaft of his RV, but has stated the bearings are a load, and have allot of friction, it is logical to assume that if the circuit can be run on one battery and charge a secondary with no reflection that it can be self run. (thats what is being stated) obviously.
I have others off list who report to me and don't post here so you are missing out on a allot of informaiton again you can thank this banned user for his distraction and time wasting
He is stupid and does not understand any thing., and or build any thing and is a pest.
he was banned over at EVGRAY and is hiding there now
unless this user is removed then you can count me out of this mess
Ashtweth
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this is defiantly humbugger cross posting and being a pest with nothing to contribute but annoying skepticism and his mind less attempt to annoy and discredit myself.
please remove this user again and let me know, i will return whren it is done as long as this user is kept out of these threads.
Note- Ill clear up for the board if hummbugger us not removed then you can find your result ts else where Ill clear for others in case you are getting suckered into this dick head again (For the last time)
The circuit is reported to have no reflection on the primary battery, David has not loaded the Shaft of his RV, but has stated the bearings are a load, and have allot of friction, it is logical to assume that if the circuit can be run on one battery and charge a secondary with no reflection that it can be self run. (thats what is being stated) obviously.
I have others off list who report to me and don't post here so you are missing out on a allot of informaiton again you can thank this banned user for his distraction and time wasting
He is stupid and does not understand any thing., and or build any thing and is a pest.
he was banned over at EVGRAY and is hiding there now
unless this user is removed then you can count me out of this mess
Ashtweth
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Some one can drop me a PM if they wish when this banned user is removed
FYI from EVGRAY forum
"Humbugger is lurking here just a heads up"
He is posting over at OU forum under linda (in Drag) and cutting
pasting recent posts from here, so got back some how plus still trying
to discredit the RV and David's circuit. And telling others it is not OU.
Mainly he is just trying to elevate himself form defaming myself, and
or is like i stated an OIL informant. His latest pest posts are
stating because i am mentioning that a battery being charged with no
reflection on the first can self run, which i consider OU, that it is
not What the Neon can do and trying to state David doesn't claim this
or some mess like that.
Plus is stating that the Hundreds tests of the RV data states the Rv
is not as efficient as the normal 3 phase operation.
Looks like we have a real dumb ass and or Oil informant as such. I
have stated to others that to enter this guys at your own risk, and
that he wasted my time and will most likely yours and i have left that
forum till the dumb ass is removed.
Like to show your self here Hum? or is some one here is spying for U,
wanna come out of the closet like your friend has LOL.
just a heads up all.
Ash
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It is not at all logical to assume self-running in the face of directly opposite statements repeatedly and publicly made by the inventor. Nor is it logical to assume that a battery-operated device would be self-running just because it charges another battery. This would only be true if it charged the secondary battery as fast or faster than the primary battery was drained. Not the case here or even close.
From reading the recent posts at EVGray, no replicator has even been able to achieve the claimed "non-loading" while extracting even a tiny bit of power using the neon circuit.
If you were being honest, why not tell the board here exactly why you carefully removed David's statement about not ever achieving self-running from your quote? I suppose you will go on forever declaring the circuit to be "self-running" despite the obvious facts and David Kou's clear denials.
Your accusations that I am "Humbugger in Drag" are humorous and entertaining and your demand that I be removed because I have pointed out your deception is comically immature. Why don't you grow up and accept the fact that you can't make things come true by telling lies, hiding facts and making illogical assumptions?
Linda
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Some one can drop me a PM if they wish when this banned user is removed
FYI from EVGRAY forum
"Humbugger is lurking here just a heads up"
He is posting over at OU forum under linda (in Drag) and cutting
pasting recent posts from here, so got back some how plus still trying
to discredit the RV and David's circuit. And telling others it is not OU.
Mainly he is just trying to elevate himself form defaming myself, and
or is like i stated an OIL informant. His latest pest posts are
stating because i am mentioning that a battery being charged with no
reflection on the first can self run, which i consider OU, that it is
not What the Neon can do and trying to state David doesn't claim this
or some mess like that.
Plus is stating that the Hundreds tests of the RV data states the Rv
is not as efficient as the normal 3 phase operation.
Looks like we have a real dumb ass and or Oil informant as such. I
have stated to others that to enter this guys at your own risk, and
that he wasted my time and will most likely yours and i have left that
forum till the dumb ass is removed.
Like to show your self here Hum? or is some one here is spying for U,
wanna come out of the closet like your friend has LOL.
just a heads up all.
Ash
Regarding my presence on EVGray; I joined only yesterday and under my correct name, so the accusations of spying and sneaking around are absolutely silly. There is no closet to come out of; I am not gay, bi, lesbian or a cross-dresser, for that matter.
Linda Damiani
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Guys this user (hummbuger) will be banned over at EVGRAY again soon,
U can thank the lack of replications, and results posted to Humbugger.
You can email me if you you need me, i don't have time for these threads any more.
Ash out
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FYI
Any ways can you count to three thats how long this pest full skeptic
in drag will last. Humbugger is like i said in the past has all the
workings of an OIL informant , discrediting trying to stop people from
building and nothing to back up in the lab,plus shows no credentials
and or doest investigate any thing.
And i stand on what i said , not that i need to state it, and that is
if you can get Davids circuit doing the same thing as David, even with
friction on the shaft to myself that its a self runner.
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Note to Ashtweth:
I have quit the evgray group after your death threat you posted there to me today. I will not quote it here in this peaceable forum, but anyone who cares to look can go join the Yahoo EVGray group and also get their RV anecdotes, ideas and performance claims directly from the inventors and replicators, fully unedited. Good luck on your projects but try to calm down and focus on getting the technology to perform before you spend so much time promoting and waving flags!
Nothing kills a product or idea faster than a bunch of disappointed replicators who have spent lots of time and money chasing misunderstood claims of "self-running and free energy" that they later find out means 100 kilos of expensive rotating machinery and electronics to do the job of a $10 K-Mart trickle charger.
Linda
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Okay this person was banned over at EVGRAY AGAIN and is whom we believe to be Humbugger and also some one who discourages replications (suspiciously like an oil informant)
if you want any technical advice for the RV guys you will have to email me and or come to Yahoo RV group/EVGRAY.
skeptics and non builders get banned in two seconds , oil informants get abused and banned.
Be careful allot of people have mailed me about certain users here who they believe to be suspicious, so dont take advices from non builders.
find out for your selfs.
I cannot post here whilst this user name distracts and wastes time.
Just had to clarify before leaving. (just email me if you need me)
Regards
Ashtweth
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Здравствуйте!
Посоветуйте, пожалуйста, в личку, как обратиться с вопросами к администраторам
Заранее спасибо
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You can just go to your "messages" tab and send a PM message to "hartiberlin". I suggest using the German or English language though.
Of course, resurrecting a six-year-old dead thread, containing _no_ evidence or data supporting any of the original claims.... that's one way to get attention!