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Offline ashtweth_nihilisti

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Neon extraction circuit tests
« on: September 20, 2007, 04:32:54 AM »
Hi All, hopefully we will get to these tests this weekend and trouble shoot with the inventor of the circuit, here is the neon peak detector which is configured to extract resonance from the RUN cap on the prime mover, David Kou (Inventor) reports this charging a secondary battery with no reflection to the first.

W are talking to him now and attempting to get him to walk us through the replication , will have videos and measurements soon.


The Half wave and Full wave is for the peak of the sine wave. Peak will extract more power.

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Neon extraction circuit tests
« on: September 20, 2007, 04:32:54 AM »

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2007, 04:40:04 AM »
sorry circuit is attached,
Guys more people should try this

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2007, 10:00:42 AM »

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2007, 12:15:07 PM »
Hi Ash,
interesting !
Did they measure, how much power was drawn from the
primary battery into the inverter during these tests ?

Okay, they only thing that was shown in this test was, that
the neon circuit could extract some 38 Volts rectified chopped DC voltage from the
neo circuit when loaded with 2 light bulbs.

Normally, if not loaded by bulbs this output charges up the secondary battery, right ?

Now it would be interesting to know,how much power was drawn during this test
from the primary battery.

Looking forward to more tests.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2007, 04:49:38 AM »
Hi Stefan,  Sure this was only a warm up, more tests coming today, Will measure primary and secondary

Yes the resistance makes the voltage drop! so we are hoping the battery will bring it down cant charge a battery with such high voltage :P. We are still learning about this circuit, form Daivd, yes usually it is used to charge a secondary.




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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 07:22:25 AM »
Okay, we need to debug the circuit first,  we have new information which will be helpful for others and are adding in a new write up.

" debug the circuit in two parts as previously described on a low impedance dummy load, BEFORE connecting up to a battery.As described in the debugging scheme parts 1 and 2, starting with the neon
fully off, are you able to turn VR1 gradually so that the neon just starts to flash occasionally. If so, you should be able to begin to sense any over-loading at this stage (from the current draw and sound of the RV), and then back off VR1 so that you don't blow the fuse.If you don't notice any increased load when the neon is flashing occasionally, then you can continue to adjust for the neon to be on more (or most) of the time."

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2007, 07:01:37 AM »
I requested your removal Hissy but the moderator option failed. So I am making it public and requesting your removal from this forum, to whom that may concern. Ashtweth is busting his butt to get open-source info. out there and what are you doing? He is simply relaying the info. that he is given and in the R and D mode of all technologies there are ups and downs but we must all maintain an excitement and faith that we will soon create FE in every community. He appears to take this a little more serious than you obviously do. There are 24,000 children who starve to death daily, there are 6,000 who die daily of aids. Over 3 billion people survive on less than $2 usd a day. Only 8% of the world own a vehicle. This is not someone else's problem this is yours and mine. Jason

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2007, 07:29:22 AM »
Cheering while Ashtweth humps the leg of every free energy faker that comes down the pike will not feed any starving children or cure AIDS.  This is the truly sad part of the hypocracy going on here.  I fully expect to be removed at any moment.  Only idiots and their cheerleaders are truly welcome here.

I think banning anyone is a big deal.  Hissy, I'm not sure if your intent is to contribute to this forum, if even by skepticism, or if indeed your goal is to bully those here because you are completely against the goals of overunity.com.  If it is the former, then I would think you are welcome here, but if the latter, then I think it is the moderator's duty to strongly consider banning to keep the forum productive. 

Again, skepticism and criticism are actually a necessary part of progress, we should not remove those negative types just because they are not "cheerleaders".  But criticism needs to be critical of the forum topics, and not personal attacks, and also posts that are just pure disruptions have no place here as well. 

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 03:25:29 AM »
Hi Ash,
looking forward to your new data.
I cleared out this thread from offtopic postings.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 03:27:25 AM »
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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2007, 05:54:18 AM »
Thanks Jason and Stefan.

Okay sorry about the delays,  we have had to move house into a new work shop and will have the De bugging report this weekend hopefully. Try moving 4 RV's over 500 kilos worth, new work shop has new equipment and allows us more time to test these circuits for the board snaps coming soon.

thanks for being patient guys.


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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2007, 08:36:26 AM »
Guys this was Given to me by a friend and may help with the tests and or the understanding of the circuit.



You should also check that the caps get discharged completely during the discharge cycle.
I think that the idea behind those pulsed discharge / semi-resonant charge systems is exactly like that. So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal. I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach.

Try to find a proper digital multichannel scope, that can calculate the math multiplications between the channels, then you can use one channel for measuring current using some shunt resistor and second channel to measure the load voltage. If it reflects too much back on input, try to reduce the sizes of diode plug caps and see what happens then.

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2007, 08:21:19 AM »
Guys this was Given to me by a friend and may help with the tests and or the understanding of the circuit.



You should also check that the caps get discharged completely during the discharge cycle.
I think that the idea behind those pulsed discharge / semi-resonant charge systems is exactly like that. So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal. I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach.

Try to find a proper digital multichannel scope, that can calculate the math multiplications between the channels, then you can use one channel for measuring current using some shunt resistor and second channel to measure the load voltage. If it reflects too much back on input, try to reduce the sizes of diode plug caps and see what happens then.


"So try to choose the load (R), which discharges the cap almost to 0V during the 1/4 period of the sine input signal"       

How would that apply when charging batteries?  When you're charging a battery, it won't discharge the cap below whatever the battery voltage is!

"I think that it will most certainly somehow reflect to the source, but lets see how much power you will get out of the system using this approach"     

I thought the claim of these neon extraction circuits was to change virtual reactive resonance power to real useful power without adding any load on the source!  I must be confused.

What is this thing supposed to do again?  Somebody please explain!  I'm scouting for a class project on free energy devices.  Is this a good choice for something to build?


Linda

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2007, 05:10:39 AM »
New user eh, hmm (ow boy lol)

I don't suggest you try this if your begging with RV sorry. I would start with the RV laymens , then  progress to the energy saving compilation.

So far David Kou the inventor has been the only one to report success with this, and engineers are only starting to replicate it, many of us are learning for the first time, we are currently being walked through it with David, and are publishing his lab notes on it, some are advanced some are laymens, we expect to have these edited and our tests reported soon.

EDIT, after seeing this users comments in another thread, mentioning and asking if some one had given me money for some thing and or if i didnt carry out some thing [to discredit me in some way],it seems suspiciously like Hum/hisy i am afraid the RV is not friendly to those who cause trouble and who don't build any thing to verify any results.  I suggest a moderator log this users IP and verify it against the banned users, this writing style is also consistent with the banned user names.

Slow people can never get ahead  :D ;)



For the board Given By David,

"There are several variables to test with to see how much power can be
extracted; Amplitude (with a variac), frequency and duty cycle (if
the inverter has the capability), values of C1, C2 and C3, and
impedance matching of load.

Impedance matching is worth looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Impedance_mismatch as mentioned by Rain and Hector. It would probably
be better to have a step down transformer before pulsing the battery,
say 5:1 ratio voltage step down (and current increase). Some people
say 2.5 times the nominal battery voltage is the ideal value voltage
pulse to charge from. Watch out for the reflected impedance on the
thyristor side, because it is the square of the turns ratio. For
example, in the case of a 5:1 step down, a 1 ohm load will be seen by
the thyristor as 25ohms, and will increase the time constant of the
discharge.

Maybe think of the charge battery as a LC resonant system in the RF
range being hit with a voltage/current spike.

Perhaps mechanical load on the RV is a factor also, I don't know
because my tests have been with RV alone, and just bearing friction
(bearings a bit old)."
« Last Edit: October 04, 2007, 06:09:35 AM by ashtweth_nihilisti »

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Re: Neon extraction circuit tests
« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2007, 05:55:31 AM »
...

"There are several variables to test with to see how much power can be
extracted; Amplitude (with a variac), frequency and duty cycle (if
the inverter has the capability), values of C1, C2 and C3, and
impedance matching of load.

Impedance matching is worth looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Impedance_mismatch as mentioned by Rain and Hector. It would probably
be better to have a step down transformer before pulsing the battery,
say 5:1 ratio voltage step down (and current increase). Some people
say 2.5 times the nominal battery voltage is the ideal value voltage
pulse to charge from. Watch out for the reflected impedance on the
thyristor side, because it is the square of the turns ratio. For
example, in the case of a 5:1 step down, a 1 ohm load will be seen by
the thyristor as 25ohms, and will increase the time constant of the
discharge.

Maybe think of the charge battery as a LC resonant system in the RF
range being hit with a voltage/current spike.

Perhaps mechanical load on the RV is a factor also, I don't know
because my tests have been with RV alone, and just bearing friction
(bearings a bit old).

No selfrunner yet, I'm still learning to walk :)

davidkou" 
Date:  October 3, 2007 9:14am David Kou's response was directed to EVGray Yahoo member "DonnyD3" inquiring about why his replication of the Neon circuit was drawing 61W extra power and only producing 44 Volts across two dimly-lit 75W bulbs in parallel.  He also asked David about self-running RV systems, saying he heard David had built one using the Neon circuit.  Anyone with a Yahoo ID can instantly join the EVGray forum and check this information. 

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David Kou - "I have yet to do the measurements to see how fast the load batteries are charged in relation to say an identical Run Battery on an inverter used to power the Prime Mover. I'm not making any claims of OU or looping."  Note: "looping" = "self-running"

http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Rotoverter:Replications:Deliverance   Peswiki April 2007

@Ashtweth Nihilisti:

Thanks for your advice.  I'll steer wide of your RV projects.  Can you explain these discrepancies?  It seems as though you have been very dishonest with the readers here and are now trying to hide it.

Linda Damiani


Duly noted:  Mr. Nihilisti has edited out David Kou's last sentence from his post (see the complete original here above).  As is fully evidenced below, Mr. Nihilisti claims repeatedly that the Neon Extraction circuit of David Kou provides for a self-running RV setup.  Mr. Kou himself clearly denies ever reporting or claiming any such thing.  What is going on here?  I think an explanation is in order.

This kind of disinformation propagation is utterly disgraceful in any realm of true scientific research and would result in immediate ostracism and total permanent loss of credibility.

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All of these are verbatim quotes posted by Ashtweth Nihilisti on this forum:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2157.msg31543.html#msg31543   May 17, 2007

"?my non profit organisaiton http://www.panacea-bocaf.org, has just been given an open sourced replication of a self running electric motor with a neon switching circuit?"


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,203.msg46389.html#msg46389    Aug 29, 2007

"?Never mind the lights or loading the Alt reactive power , We are basically saying to try the attached circuit (Neon its a few posts back), as it is the reported OU self runner. our will be ready for testing this weekend..."


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg47990.html#msg47990   Sept 7, 2007

"?We will soon be uploading our water fuel cell replication and self running neon switching RV demos
all open sourced [plans and videos]?"


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg48374.html#msg48374   Sept 9, 2007
 
??The self running Neon circuit has been reported by David Kou in France as working and is on the RV page, we have replicated the circuit and will be testing it on our RV next week?? 


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3270.msg48817.html#msg48817   Sept 11, 2007

"?As far as RV OU goes, the most creditable source and report we have is the Neon switcher done by an open sourced engineer in France..."


http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg49545.html#msg49545  Sept 14, 2007

"?build David Kous reported self running RV neon circuit?"  








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