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Groundloop

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #150 on: January 14, 2008, 01:15:46 AM »
@Thaelin,

Although the output current is low, the currents that are circulating between the batteries is very high!
If you have a battery that is lower in charge than the others then the current to that battery is much
higher and the transistor gets warm. You should check that all four batteries start out with the same
charge and voltage before you run the circuit.

Groundloop.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #151 on: January 15, 2008, 04:22:56 AM »
Hello Groundloop,

I've read the thread and the paper you sent and also I've followed some of the links posted here.

I'm wondering if you could post the theory of operation for the Tesla Switch.  Also if there is a Tesla patent to reference that would be nice.

If anyone else would like to post a theory of operation for the Tesla Switch I'd be interested in hearing that also.

Thank you.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #152 on: January 15, 2008, 04:46:26 AM »

Bessler007

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #153 on: January 15, 2008, 05:26:07 AM »
Thanks Fausto.

I have read quite a bit.  What I am really interested in is if anyone could simply state the theory of operation of the Tesla Switch.

When I look at this image posted by Groundloop . . .
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3316.0;attach=16457;image)
I see pulsed dc on one side of a transformer with the other side being output.  It quacks like an inverter to me.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #154 on: January 15, 2008, 06:21:45 AM »
Hello Fausto,

A point from your first link:

I think that Mr Bedini wants us to understand the nature of things by ourselves, He doesn't want to spoon feed us, but wants us to understand.     .....elias

is pretty revealing for me.  Who is it that actually could reduce into a sentence or two the theory of this switch?  I need to be spoon feed!  I'm starving here!!

I've just recently looked at Tesla (I'm no expert) and his work and I don't see anything where he suggests that a closed system can generate energy.

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@Bessler007

Here are some of the links with all the info you may find about this tesla experiment and some more.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch.html
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Fausto.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #155 on: January 15, 2008, 08:15:25 AM »
@Bessler007,

Hello Fausto,

A point from your first link:

I think that Mr Bedini wants us to understand the nature of things by ourselves, He doesn't want to spoon feed us, but wants us to understand.     .....elias

is pretty revealing for me.  Who is it that actually could reduce into a sentence or two the theory of this switch?  I need to be spoon feed!  I'm starving here!!

I've just recently looked at Tesla (I'm no expert) and his work and I don't see anything where he suggests that a closed system can generate energy.

Bessler
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@Bessler007

Here are some of the links with all the info you may find about this tesla experiment and some more.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch.html
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Fausto.

The simple explanation of this switch is to put two capacitors in series and dump the charge to two capacitors in parallel on the other side of the transformer. Then reverse the process. The transformer has a low resistance primary. If we use switches with low loss then we can switch electrons back and forth many times before (the always present losses) will deplete the charge in the capacitors. We can not destroy or create electrons but there is no law in nature that prevent us from using the same electrons more than one time to set up a magnetic field in the transformer. The electrons that power the load is not the same electrons that we use to switch charge between the capacitors. The other variant is to use batteries instead of capacitors. In this variant we switch charge between the batteries via a low resistance transformer. The batteries will be depleted at the end but the free electrons we move in the transformer to the load is not the same electrons we switch back and forth so the net output MAY be greater than the total capacity of the batteries.

I personally do not know if this circuit (or the battery switching variant) works or not. So far I have been struggling to design a low loss switching circuit for this setup. In a day or two I will have my new pcbs. I hope that my new circuit will be able to switch between four 4,8 Volt 2 amps. NiCads without any big loss in the system. Time will tell................

Groundloop.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #156 on: January 15, 2008, 10:32:49 AM »
Thank you, Groundloop.  My initial sense is if what you're proposing is true, you're approaching the matter in the wrong manner.  I need to think about this a little more.  The crux of it might be in the rate work is accomplished or power.  You might have a point.

Bessler

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #157 on: January 15, 2008, 04:02:23 PM »
I'm wondering if you could post the theory of operation for the Tesla Switch.
Thank you.
Try this
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Chapter6.pdf

Read page 18

...and then alter the URL to Chapter 1 for further information
which may be useful to know about at some future time.

Paul.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #158 on: January 15, 2008, 04:17:45 PM »
Hello Groundloop,

I've read the thread and the paper you sent and also I've followed some of the links posted here.

I'm wondering if you could post the theory of operation for the Tesla Switch.  Also if there is a Tesla patent to reference that would be nice.

If anyone else would like to post a theory of operation for the Tesla Switch I'd be interested in hearing that also.

Thank you.

hi

Bessler007, in my opinion the only resonable theory is descriped over quantuumphysics.
Leadatoms have to be in resonance, timereversed effects can occur, chemical reaction is time reversed.

You can call me crazy but thats it.

For more information look at "Lawandy" "Boosted light: laseraction in white paint"
the effect equals in some  cases, but is easier to reproduce...

if i find the time, i will post some more references ...

Super

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #159 on: January 16, 2008, 06:49:32 AM »
lot of reading.

The Tesla switch sounds to me like holding up opposite ends of a 2x4 at the same time.  I'm still thinking about it.

Super,

Electrons orbit but I don't think we know why.  If they're like everything else we know about there is some cause or energy input to allow them to work.

I don't think a Tesla switch can work if it's pulsed dc.  Tesla made the point of using energy that didn't make drastic changes (eg his turbine).  I think the switching has to be sinusoidal.  Just guessing here.  :)



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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #160 on: January 16, 2008, 07:02:35 AM »
If you're putting electrical pressure on one side of a transformer with twice the frequency (or some harmonic of that) compared to  the other side, there would be more power in the higher freq.  The question is what supplies the power to produce the higher frequency?  It sounds like a switching nightmare to me that would need more than just a center tapped transformer.  I have no idea right now how you could put 100hz on one side and produce 50 on the other (for example).

That would cause an imbalanced transformer.  There is more energy in higher frequencies.  Then there is the efficiency of the transformer plus system losses.

Lots to think about.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #161 on: January 17, 2008, 08:02:31 PM »
Bessler007,

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hello
? Sent to: Groundloop on: January 16, 2008, 07:51:30 PM

How's the circuit going?

Bessler
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I will post information about my circuit as soon as I have something to post.

Groundloop.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #162 on: January 18, 2008, 10:09:20 PM »
:)  I should get my breadboard out and knock the dust off it.  I think I still remember how to launch op amps off it and crack them to pieces.

edit:  I have formed some interesting questions. 

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« Reply #163 on: January 18, 2008, 11:08:19 PM »
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I do remember reading somewhere that the so called Tesla switch has absolutely nothing to do with Tesla or any one of his devices.

Someone just called it that. (presumably the originator of the circuit)

Hans von Lieven

EDIT:  Found it.

As can be seen in the first file, the original circuit was developed by Ronald Brandt. The 1983 date of the Brandt circuit pre-dates John's work on this system. Ron's circuits used mechanical contacters as switches, but apparently worked quite well, as long as the contacters lasted. John was the first to adapt this circuit to solid-state switching, using the SG 1524 dual flip-flop functions and bipolar transistors as the switches. So, exactly why this is called the Tesla Switch is beyond me.

Source: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/962-use-tesla-switch.html

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #164 on: January 19, 2008, 02:26:29 AM »
@Bessler007,

That is the spirit. Build, test and research! :-)

@Hansvonlieven,

If you follow your own posted link you will find this:

SNIP
THE CIGAR-BOX SIZE TESLA SWITCH

Bedini was then invited to speak at the Tesla Centennial Symposium in Colorado Springs, CO, on August, 11, 1984, The symposium honored the 100th anniversary of the arrival of Nikola Tesla in the USA, and was sponsored by the Tesla Committee, by the Institute for Electronic and Electrical Engineers (IEEE), Pikes Peak Section, and by the Ford Aerospace& Communications Corporation,Colorado Springs Operation. At the symposium, Bedini demonstrated an inexpensive, cigar-box sized Tesla-type converter witch he had recently built. Throughout the demonstration, which lasted a full 24 hours during the symposium, a constant load was being drawn out of the system to do work, Nevertheless, the converter kept the nickel-cadmium batteries fully charged! The concept, witch had been originated by Nikola Tesla, was given to John Bedini by Ronald Brandt, who was a personal friend of Nikola Tesla. Brandt is reputed to have a similar converter which he has used for years without loosing the battery charge. Bedini presented the schematic diagram showing how to build the solid-state device, and then released copies of the schematic diagram.
END SNIP

Link: http://www.icehouse.net/john1/tesla.html

@All,

I have my new PCBs now and has started to solder the components. Hope to get started with testing this weekend.

Groundloop.