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Offline Super

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #45 on: December 25, 2007, 04:34:25 PM »
@ Groundloop

...not enough research?  ;)

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/battery%20poppers.htm

No, i will not do bad to you here - please do not missunderstand me!
i will try to help!

It is essential to know all about this device to find later errors.
First error aspects could be the research information itself (i have postet the ... vs. ... before)

In this case your circuit is well designed and can handle these errors (variable switching frequency)
-> research or luck that you have dimensioned it up to 30 Mhz?

Anyway,

 i'm interested in your further results and if needed i will try to help  :D

Super



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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #49 on: December 26, 2007, 03:42:14 AM »
Just to add a few more things. I have been playing with this 4 N.Tesla Switch for a little awhile. Some proof of concepts and here is another one.
This circuit is as simples as it can be. 2 coils and a switch. The switch is flipping I think at about 10 pulses per second max, may a little bit less (see the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXn2S_p4QiI) and the battery has been delivering a good current for hours and when it is finnished I switch the batteries and off it goes again.

Frequency is 16ms pulses (50% duty cycle).

It is standing a very long time compared to some load tests I have done when I playing with SSG (Bedini motor) and I never had it running and giving so much power out for so long. I really think the sudden cut off the current is THE trick.

Fausto.
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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #52 on: December 26, 2007, 05:31:06 PM »
@Groundloop,

thats great work. On my simple tests (as my last video) I got a very good result. The battery destination is charged up but not fully yet, after all I have a huge load (90+ LEDs fully bright to the point of hurting the eye). I let the source battery be totally depleted (I know it will hurt it, but I have done that already so many times) so when I switch them I want to see how far they will still run.

Tonight I will switch and test it again. I can clearly see that the sparks are totally different in color. The purple is simply beautifull. I will try to make a video to show the difference in colors, the yellowish against the blueish. My setup is a little different than the 4 switch becasuse what I wanted to accomplish is simulate the battery depletion part of if with a back EMF.  There is so much to explore there. One part of the circuit at the time. All at once for me is too much, too many variables.

Frequency is very very tricky because some low frequencies are perfect and I can see the amps delivered to be to the right point, not too much, not too little and the brightness of the LEDs (load) and the magnet pulses on the coil being the strongest which gives the best BEMF and high voltage. I think the ions on the battery will be "decieved" if the rigth resonance is accomplished so that they will kick electrons out of the battery but they will move toward the electrolite so that recharging happens again.

The blue spark only happens if you cut the current right after the coil is saturated and the BEMF has no place to go thats is something in that spark that is not the same as the electron sparks and I think thats the one that tricks the battery. I also think the HV will recharge somehow the battery but nothing more than what you already took out.

I am still using the relay because I think the speed of the "disconnection" is very fast and right there is something.

Fausto.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #53 on: December 26, 2007, 07:32:58 PM »
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I can clearly see that the sparks are totally different in color.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #55 on: December 26, 2007, 09:16:33 PM »
@Groundloop,

I would not advice to use the relay. They clumsy, noisy and they will break soon. I am using them really for quickness proof of concept and also because I do think the spark has something there for me to learn about. I think you are on the correct track with the solid-state quest. I saw your question at the other group and the response from Mike.

I even think your idea of using the pic is genius because we can hell control the timing on this thing better than electronics. I think you only really have to fix that up/down switching to the fastest that we can.

The relay I am using is the ones you can easily find at radio shack the problem is usualy those only have 2 switchs (6 poles) and for this 4 swtich Tesla stuff we need more and making them trigger in perfect synch is impossible. I am only testing the switching for one battery and coil just to see the effects I am to expect when I will be playing with the full circuit. I already concluded just doing that one test that timing IS everything and the battery DOES respond in a not very conventional manner. It does give more power than if you just use it in a steady current stream.

Remember those "decoupling" coils used by Bedini on the base of the trigger transistor? well I think they are more than just decouplers. You see, Bedini is a genius and he really makes things very simple but profoundly complex in its workings, so when I see those coils, transistors and so on I see much more that i "dont see".

Also I was thinking how he design things that are kind of self-regulators, they adjust themselfs as the signals travels through the parts (like the PN3055 transistor and the bifilar coil on the SSG triggering as the magnet pass by and shutting the transistor off imediatly because of the quick turn on of the transistor causes the magnet field and therefore the current on the other side of the coil). Nothing can beat that self-regulation at the "speed sensing" of the parts themselfs. Make sence?

We are working towards now with a , we find the timing, but it would be better if we could design something that finds that spot automatically, that's what I think those coils on the base of the transistor on the Brandt/Bedini is ALSO.

But, hey, one step at the time. Now I am learning about the coil saturation, its speed, the sparks, the response of the different kind of batteries and so on. For example the NIMH reacted very poorly compared to the Lead-Acid battery and I was expecting that because the Lead-Acid battery have the heavy ions to interect with in orders of magntude compared to the reactions inside the NIMH. Still the NIMH behaved much faster but drained faster too.

Get that design of yours going, dont give up, I think it will work it is really a matter as you know already about the fast switching fix.  :)

Fausto.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
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« Reply #57 on: December 26, 2007, 10:57:01 PM »
@Groundloop,

no I dont mean fast as frequency, I mean as switching rise time. The slope of the curve. Not how many pulses per second.

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Re: Tesla Switch need help
« Reply #59 on: December 27, 2007, 12:20:02 AM »
Here is a simple 4 battery relay version.

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