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Author Topic: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion  (Read 37889 times)

usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2007, 11:12:34 PM »
thanks freeEnergy

you solved my great problem .

that exact what i mean but with another less complex technic and more simultaneity.

thanks again

hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2007, 12:28:03 AM »
G'day Gravitar,

The reason why the device does not work is because the forces on both sides are equal. Entropy explains it here so I just quote him.

Hans von Lieven

Hi Usama,

first let me ask a some questions:
1-  if we put 101 books each over other , every book = 1 kg ,
how much weight do the first book from bottom carry up = ?

2- if each book has 10cm then we have 1010 cm in high,
how much force we need to move one book up for 1010 cm at one second by any way of newton law =?

3- to make a perpetual motion ,
if we get the first book from the bottom out, then we have two actions
a- the 100 books will fall down for just 10 cm by  gravity power of 100 kg at less than one second
b- we need less than 2 kg to move this free book up and put it on the top ( reconstruct the poiential power of 101 books).

The energy you get from the 100 1kg books falling 10cm is 100kg * 0.1m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.

The energy required to lift one book up 1000 cm is 1kg * 10m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.

Simple calculations like these show why these overbalanced wheel things never work on paper.  If they work in practice, it's because there's something about simple mechanics that we don't know.

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

Pirate88179

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #32 on: September 20, 2007, 02:52:58 AM »
Hello all:

First post on here.  I have been experimenting in this field for over 20 years.  I can't believe there are others out there thinking about these types of devices. I just enjoy playing with magnets and discovering new things, well, things that are new to me anyway.

Usama, I am afraid that Hans and the others are correct in their analysis but, that does not mean don't try. Everything great that was discovered was done by those who ignored the accepted principles and succeeded anyway.  Like my Dad told me after we had invented and produced the first fully functional ceramic coil spring, he said we didn't know enough about it to know it could not be done, so we did it.  Best of luck to you and all of the others on here.

Bill

Mr.Entropy

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2007, 03:07:28 AM »
Like my Dad told me after we had invented and produced the first fully functional ceramic coil spring, he said we didn't know enough about it to know it could not be done, so we did it.

A ceramic spring? That's amazing! Is there any information about it on the Web?

Cheers,

Mr. Entropy

Pirate88179

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #34 on: September 20, 2007, 03:43:29 AM »
Probably not.  This was done in the early 80's.  We machined many of them in different configurations for the aerospace and defense industries.  They have even flown on 2 shuttle missions.  No metal fatigue, very low coefficient of expansion so in space, the spring rate remains near constant.  Not affected by acid and non-metalic or magnetic so does not interfere with electrical fields.  We had a full page ad in the Thomas register for a few years that featured one of the springs. I don't think that would be on the web anywhere.  I lost my company in my divorce so I can no longer produce them.  I never looked on the net for this, I will try some searches.

hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #35 on: September 20, 2007, 09:24:59 AM »
G'day Pirate,

Hans von Lieven

Pirate88179

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #36 on: September 20, 2007, 06:28:45 PM »
Hans:
We attempted to obtain a patent in the very early 80's.  After a cost of over \$10,000, our attorneys informed us that the Patent Office said it is not a "significant improvement" over the standard coil spring and could not be patented. This was, of course, ridiculous.  In 1993 my company was contacted by attorneys for a large corporation who actually did obtain a patent on the ceramic coil springs (1992 I think issued) and we were told to cease and desist making ours.  Our attorney pointed out to them that since we did it first many years before they applied for their patent, and our springs were published in advertisements and articles for many years prior, they could not make us comply. Also, since, to obtain a patent you have to be the inventor, and we had actually made the samples for them that they submitted to the patent office, their patent was null and void.  Too bad for them.

All this, of course, has nothing to do with overunity.  I was just trying to give Osama some encouragement about continuing his explorations no matter what the nayayers might say. I am really enjoying this site.

Bill

gaby de wilde

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #37 on: September 20, 2007, 07:57:49 PM »
The laws of thermodynamics where writen by ignorant idiots. They just got out of bed one day and decided that the best thing to do is to keep telling people they are going to fail mizzerably.  But never looked at any of the evidence.

Outside religion there is no "just because". I should note that 99% of the sientists in history had strong affiliation with some church. Only the last few 100  years they started accepting people's mindess drivel for facts in religion. Before those days the church tried to figure things out. Not for the public but for their own library.

Either we will find a good alternative power source or we all die? there is no option 3. If that means we are already dead on paper we need to figure out a new way to write things down. no?

(http://dieoff.org/Crash1.GIF)

That's the part that will never work! Seems one hell of a lot more convincing as to claim gravity engines cant work because some idiot preaching nonsense dogmas. Kelvin said heat engines didn't work either. I don't see why we are so attached to the rest of his denial. He was a liar, a thief and a cheat?

new gravity wheel and turbine theory( free energy)
i found out a new design of a gravity wheel and turbine ,use all its mass at one side of the wheel rotating round its axle and convert 95% from its mass potential energy to generat kinetic energy using less than 5% of its mass power for friction and regenerate or reconstruct its mass.
it's a new working theory , very simple and logical , so we can prove it, and calculate its output energy , just by its design
it's a perpetual motion and gravity as a new sorse of energy that using newton law not against it or violent it.
and now why we don't use gravity power as a renewable and clean energy?
i see a lot of this gravity wheel and motor at the following sites
http://www.fuellesspower.com/6_Gravity2.htm

This engine is using electrical pulses. They are mostly focused on marketing but they show no video.

...At that point a very high efficient / free energy solenoid coil kicks in and pushes the arms back up into a perfect balanced position and they continue to rotate back to the 12:00 position....

This is an interesting trick. It means the device indeed uses gravity to spin but it uses a coil to build up the gravitational potential. This is good enough to put it in a store and sell it as-if gravity powered. The pulse system is interesting but not using gravity as it's source.

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http://peswiki.com/energy/Directory:Gravity_Motors
I like Bob Kostoff's machine, he is using compressed air, he does claim the device makes it's own air pressure.

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http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6817180-claims.html

Most complicated explanation. I don't think it was his intention to explain how it worked. I think he patented the construction. The device mimics natural circulation. Very Schauberger. :-)

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http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/11/328724.html?c=on#c136644

This seems like the patent above, a heat engine making it's own heat.

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http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=5637

Interesting forum. This is the link to the innovation.
http://www.lonympics.co.uk/new/aaaaBBBAACAAAa.htm

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http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/
http://www.guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/conference/Weinfelden/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hfrnrgen.htm

Hamel is my favorite

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http://www.keelynet.com/davidson/npap1.htm

ah, ?ther magic.

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http://www.rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm
http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/gravity.htm
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?wo=2006107313
http://www.allanstime.com/UnifiedFieldTheory/gravity.htm
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7134283.html
http://www.angelfire.com/on/GEAR2000/2depalma.html
http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Gravity.html
http://www.free-energy.ws/
http://www.eagle-research.com/fenergy/gravity.html
http://64.233.183.104/search
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Andy_Gravity-Magnet_Motor
http://www.evert.de/eft786e.htm
http://www.gravitymotor.net/
http://www.skdynamics.com/gravitymotor/index.htm
i think most of those designs are very good but not complete , and the one who do that must catch the my opinion true theory of how to get energy from gravity ,or most of them must catch my design wheel from a long time ago!
but i don't know why they didn't? why there isn't uses of a working gravity turbine until now?
if we have a good design for a perpetual motion and already we have the gravity power , then we must use them to generat energy.
maybe i'm the lucky one !
ok, no problem of whatever i think about . my new design is not like any of what i found in those sites it is completly different , and powerfull .
it is a new source of renewable energy.that use whatever amount of mass you need at only one side and one position of the wheel in a perpetual motion design.the same as what used with water and wind wheel and turbine ( one amount of force at one side  maybe one position of the wheel) . it's a relation between potential power , and in the other side the power that effect the mass to make it as a potential power.
i think that ,
what was a dream before, today become a true.

how can i put my invention at the right way for common use ,

I don't think there is a good way, every marketing approach has been tried with the most ridiculous results. I would try emailing a few people for second opinions and get some help to try build something.

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at last i 'm sure there is no mistake in my wheel and it's logicaly as the same like water turbine or wind turbine.
i keep searching for my new theory and design at net sites from 4 months without any positive similar design , what it means!!!!?

thank you ,and sorry for my bore language ,

usama mohamed salah

I have a few gravityengine research projects (ducktape popsicle sticks and paperclips etc). So far it looks to me like lifting an object costs only a fraction of the energy available when dropping it. You get no guarantee however and no thought police licence.

I got optimistic long after discarding the whole gravity engine concept. My website is about magnetmotors [link], I tried to ignore all the gravity claimants. But it's much to interesting to ignore. It's practically the same thing as using permanent magnets only gravity doesn't have as much complicated features as magnetism.

I've only managed to run one prototype for a few hours one time, I never got it to resonate like that again. It was quite funny to see it run down in 15 min the second time. lol

But my best concept is not based on a resonant system. I could give you the details but I'm not 100% sure and people will flame me while not saying anything I can use. After over a year of getting flamed for my ideas this sounds like a much more workable approach. I've had enough, I'm turning into a whining crybaby myself from interacting with whining crybabies.

I do want to encurage everyone to look much deeper into gravity. Below is the general theory, it's very different from my 2 devices.

A balanced beam

o-----------------/\----------------o

We move 1 of the weights.

----o-------------/\----------------o

And we get rotation for this horizontal motion. It will almost reach this postion.

o-----------------/\------------o----

Before the beam is horizontal the angular momentum may assist shifting the weight back to the edge.

We apply a force to shift the weight sidewards it resists like it's horizontal but, but it's angularly moving upwards.

o-----------------/\----------------o

It may thus drop upwards!

The amount of angular momentum of course depends on the speed of the device.

The device needs to slowdown close to standstill when gravity is doing the work, then it needs to accerate to make the angular momentum take over. We then add some wings and use the air drag to move the weight.

This device shows the principal, it's (obviously) also a windmill.

Patent number: X247
Issue date: Apr 30, 1799

I'm not saying it is not going to work if you put some effort in it.  If you don't, yes then it will never work.

It's impossible to have results before effort. And if you do obtain them they don't mean anything to you.

Or are people in the 17th century so much more intelligent as we are today? eh? For starters, his handwriting is like 1000 times more pretty as mine. That part I'm sure I will never learn.

hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2007, 09:13:03 PM »
G'day Bill and all,

Thanks for telling me the story of your ceramic spring. It is funny how arbitrary the USPTO is at times. Hare brained ideas with outrageous unproven claims get a patent where something that works in the real world goes begging for protection.

Hans von Lieven

Pirate88179

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2007, 02:31:53 AM »
Hans:

Yes, I agree.  I don't believe in our patent system for many reasons. I did learn a lot during that experience.  I also learned that if you are actually granted a patent, you have to defend it.  Sounds reasonable but suppose 100 people jump your patent and you only have the financial resources to sue 10 of them.  your patent then goes...Poof.  You have to defend ALL cases of infringement or you lose your patent rights.  This was all explained to me by my attorney.  I like the idea of sharing any break-through events with the world.  Anyone with a workable idea will have a headstart on it anyway and would make enough money to make it worth while.  I am still in the process of reading the back posts on here and I am learning a lot. Thanks to all that have posted and who are adding to my education in this most interesting of fields.

Bill

hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2007, 08:24:22 PM »
G'day all,

Whatever happened to usama and his promised drawing??

Hans von Lieven

usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2007, 08:35:59 PM »
nothing happen

i just still worked on it , sooner i will post it

hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2007, 08:43:20 PM »
G'day usama,

I hope you did not take my question as an implied criticism, it was not that.

I am simply interested in your ideas and I am looking forward to your drawing.

Hans von Lieven

rMuD

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #43 on: September 21, 2007, 08:53:55 PM »
Hans:

Yes, I agree.  I don't believe in our patent system for many reasons. I did learn a lot during that experience.  I also learned that if you are actually granted a patent, you have to defend it.  Sounds reasonable but suppose 100 people jump your patent and you only have the financial resources to sue 10 of them.  your patent then goes...Poof.  You have to defend ALL cases of infringement or you lose your patent rights.  This was all explained to me by my attorney.  I like the idea of sharing any break-through events with the world.  Anyone with a workable idea will have a headstart on it anyway and would make enough money to make it worth while.  I am still in the process of reading the back posts on here and I am learning a lot. Thanks to all that have posted and who are adding to my education in this most interesting of fields.

Bill

all you have to do is win the first one, then the legal system rarely overturns anything that follows.. yes you have to defend against all of them, but only the first one is difficult.  I learned this from Symbol Technologies patents on the hand held laser scanner gun,  they set up a mock company that copied their patents, then sued them, and with the mock company not defending their claims that they weren't infringing...  symbols patented things like the trigger switch that had been around for 50+ years that is nearly impossible to overturn now

usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #44 on: September 21, 2007, 08:55:32 PM »
no at all
i know a lot of the reader looking forward to see what this man need to draw ,
it is the same like me ,i need to know if my design  is new or it is an old and  not work for some reasons like others.

don't worry