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Offline shruggedatlas

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2007, 06:04:31 AM »
Yes, good call.  I figured it was because the heavy side would just slide over, but now I see it would not matter even if it did not.  I learn something every day.

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2007, 02:59:08 AM »
ok, that is good

let me adjust the question :
suppose we change the bottom book NO:1 and used a  water balloon as container of 1kg of water , that balloon linked to another empty one over the 100 books by pipe .

what kind of actions we have here :
  a- 100 book fall down for 10 cm that gain ??? of energy
  b- 1kg of water ( book or water or sand no problem) will pumped up for 1000cm used ???? of energy
  c- we used a mixed force and other properties and one of old simple mechanics .
 

i think there is a lot of way to move 1kg up to 1000 cm using  less than 98j ,  also all this ways are  depending on gravity.


then i don't think about any sort of device because every one  has a verey good idea , that agree with my device

Offline Mr.Entropy

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2007, 06:04:18 AM »
i think there is a lot of way to move 1kg up to 1000 cm using  less than 98j

Why do you think that?

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2007, 06:04:18 AM »
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Offline hansvonlieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2007, 10:04:02 AM »
G'day usama and all,

If you know lots of ways in which to move 1kg perpendicularly up 1000 cm (which incidentally is 10 meters) and expend less than 98 J you are the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.

Please tell us some of your secrets, for the future cannot do with such a loss in case the baddies get to you. You owe it to the world!

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2007, 03:36:57 PM »


If you know lots of ways in which to move 1kg perpendicularly up 1000 cm (which incidentally is 10 meters) and expend less than 98 J you are the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.





of course, i know a lot
10 meters means about 4 floors , you can go upstairs to the fourth floor , send a sling down to street , tied the sling to any stake.
go down stair to street , catch  the other side of the line and tied 1gk of any material.
go upstairs to the other end of the line and pull the 1gk up.
if you need more ways call me back

while figured it don't forget to calculate the effect of changing time at both sides , and the indirect force of pressure action.

for the future if the goods couldn't figured your puzzle out , then don't wait  the baddies .


 mr.entoropy

i don't means that, i'm sure ,i said just think like thinking about gravity wheel and flotation wheel
all of us must make our mind and  think

and tried the last question using 90 books while the other balloon at the10 meter .
do the same experiment until you figure out how much weight you need to  lift 1kg up for 1000cm.

you can also make the pipe more thin or wide it , all that effect your goal.


As to your example of a stack of books you must consider the amount of force required to liberate the bottom book and allow the rest of the stack to drop. Don't forget in your calculation that the entire weight of the stack sits on it.

Hans von Lieven

 the idea of the using a balloon  solved the problem as i understood.


thanks for all
and good bey

i hope any one gain some new idea

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2007, 08:30:50 AM »
G'day usama and all,



If you know lots of ways in which to move 1kg perpendicularly up 1000 cm (which incidentally is 10 meters) and expend less than 98 J you are the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.



of course, i know a lot
10 meters means about 4 floors , you can go upstairs to the fourth floor , send a sling down to street , tied the sling to any stake.
go down stair to street , catch  the other side of the line and tied 1gk of any material.
go upstairs to the other end of the line and pull the 1gk up.
if you need more ways call me back

while figured it don't forget to calculate the effect of changing time at both sides , and the indirect force of pressure action.

for the future if the goods couldn't figured your puzzle out , then don't wait  the baddies .

That is NOT what I was talking about. Most idiots know how to transport 1 kg 10m up.

I said, if you can move 1 kg of mass perpendicularly up 10 meters with expending less than 98 Joules you are the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.

I am still standing by that.

You should see the sense in what I am saying, unless you don't know what a Joule is, in which case the Eureka is probably over your head too.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2007, 12:09:41 PM »
Hi Hans....I think I should show you how to hold 45 metric tons in the air by drawing 1.5 amps from a 12 volt battery for one hour....How many joules is that? I can hold the weight for years...and then after all that time I can still get back much of the energy that I used....It's so easy, but too impractical to make full scale.
I can also show mechanical energy from the experiment everyday for as long as I hold the weight.
The experiment itself acts like a generator.... ;D
Cheers mate....
Scotty

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
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Offline usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2007, 07:46:54 PM »
hi , Lieven
don't forget most idiots know that if you change the velocity to 10m/s or 1 m/s ,you will use less joules

The energy you get from the 100 1kg books falling 10cm is 100kg * 0.1m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.

The energy required to lift one book up 1000 cm is 1kg * 10m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.



the energy required to lift one book up 1000 cm is   1kg* 10m* 1 m/s2     = 10J


then you can gain 88 J  by mechanic transport 1kg up and  falldown 100kg at its gravity speed.

dear
 idon' said throw the book up at your maximum speed or use the 100 books to move 1 book at the same time ,
also,who said that i tried to be the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.
 i know myself , i'm just a one found out a new way to get free energy by good luck ,not more and tried to do his best to understand and learn what is happen around ?

thanks p.motion for stoping
i hope you will be the one who can gain a true new idea to generat a free energe but don't forget me

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 08:06:32 PM »
hi , Lieven
don't forget most idiots know that if you change the velocity to 10m/s or 1 m/s ,you will use less joules

The energy you get from the 100 1kg books falling 10cm is 100kg * 0.1m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.

The energy required to lift one book up 1000 cm is 1kg * 10m * 9.8 m/s2 = 98J.



the energy required to lift one book up 1000 cm is   1kg* 10m* 1 m/s2     = 10J


then you can gain 88 J  by mechanic transport 1kg up and  falldown 100kg at its gravity speed.

dear
 idon' said throw the book up at your maximum speed or use the 100 books to move 1 book at the same time ,
also,who said that i tried to be the greatest sensation on this planet since the famous Eureka.
 i know myself , i'm just a one found out a new way to get free energy by good luck ,not more and tried to do his best to understand and learn what is happen around ?

thanks p.motion for stoping
i hope you will be the one who can gain a true new idea to generat a free energe but don't forget me


I think you missed something.  The 9.8 m/s2 is part of the equation because that is the acceleration speed of objects in Earth's gravity.  To change the equation using 1 m/s2 means that you are on a planet with roughly 1/10th of the earth's gravity.  This has nothing to do with how fast you lift the book.

Maybe that is the secret to making your device work.  Keep one half on earth and the other on the moon?

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2007, 08:06:32 PM »
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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2007, 09:00:23 PM »
G'day Scotty and all,

I trust we are talking here of a device like Ed Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder. Though this is a fascinating device, I don't know if we can talk in terms of Joules here. If you take a permanent magnet and stick it 10 feet up a perpendicular steel beam the 10 meter drop is not even potential energy as long as it sticks there.

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Offline usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2007, 09:09:36 PM »
that is right , i'm sorry
 but i think about using other force to change the velocity at the two side or
 do  one action at the moment , first use the fall down of the weight under gravity power ( to gain energy),second use the same weight to get out and lift up 1kg to reconstruct  the motion and the mass . there must be a gap between every time you gain energy .
that motion will done at gravity power but not at the meaning fo fall down under velocity , it is under speed control .
then the velocity will change !!!!! i don't know what i call it.i just tried to describe and understand what i have.


  so  forgive me .
also P. hans 

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Offline usama salah

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2007, 09:31:47 PM »
ok
to end this conversation whit a good results
i will post a simple design for my action wheel
and let you describe it at the meaning of joules and equations and stop my  puzzles

that is a good decision

let my one day over

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #27 on: September 19, 2007, 10:01:00 PM »
G'day usama,

Now you are talking. I for one am looking forward to what you have come up with.

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Re: new powerfull gravity turbine at perpetual motion
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2007, 10:09:58 PM »
G'day all,

I think usama is thinking about this sort of device:

(http://www.lhup.edu/%7Edsimanek/museum/gearcoil.gif)

It has been around since at least the 1950's. No-one has got it to work yet

Hans von Lieven

What's the problem? Why won't it work?


 

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