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Author Topic: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils  (Read 24645 times)

Offline GraViTaR

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They are not going to allow this plug to be mass produced.

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Firestorm.html

(http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/firestorm_spark_plug001.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/waterfuel111/FireStorm_plasma_sparkplug_01.gif)
(http://www.nexusmagazine.com/images/firestorm4.jpg)
Firestorm (left) compared to regular spark plug (right).

What's the big deal? You can run your car on WATER just by using these plugs.
The plasma arc fills the entire combustion chamber and breaks whatever is in the field down to it's constituent components; i.e., water into hydrogen and oxygen.

We can make these ourselves: Very simple to modify an existing spark plug. The inventor did just that in his basement in less than two hours.

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2007, 07:11:44 AM »
I just found this YouTube video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abwXApkLhbc

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 08:28:32 AM »
here is his interview with NEXUS magazine, he describes how he made it


http://http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Firestorm.html

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 08:29:40 AM »
sorry that was up there already..

sounds pretty simple to do.. perhaps we can make our own 12v plasma cannons?

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2007, 11:34:11 PM »
Hmmmm... I examined both patents and from what I saw, he has found another way to make a sparkplug. Period. I was not impressed.

Neither patent claimed that it fills the entire combustion chamber with plasma. Neither patent said anything about running an internal combustion engine on water. What it does claim is that it can reduce misfires by offering the spark more places to jump between the electrodes. The "constantly moving" spark conjures up an image of the novelty plasma touch globes, but that is an incorrect image, IMO intentionally meant to mislead. If that were the case, it would cause a terrible case of pre-ignition.

The "slow motion" video makes it look like the entire bottom of the plug is saturated in spark. Actually, there is still only one spark jumping the gap each time the coil discharges, but the spark is jumping between different parts of the electrodes. The demo system is being run at a high enough frequency that the camera "sees" what looks like a constant, ever changing plasma field. It is very impressive looking, but if it were a true "slow motion" video, we would see individual sparks, jumping from different points.

The plug uses standard spark generating components to create a standard spark which jumps the gap at the correct time. The plug will probably have a longer life than normal plugs, I don't doubt that.  The "44 - 50%" increase in mpg must have been compared to a terribly misfiring engine.

When I see "They won't allow this to be mass produced" or "Not available in stores" it translates to me as "No reputable company is willing to stand behind this product".

I don't claim to be an expert but common sense tells me that there is nothing ground-breaking here.

SHOW ME...
It has been 7 years since the patent was granted, and yet we don't see any hard numbers in their claims. We just see a good sales job.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2007, 12:21:55 AM by Davetech »

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2007, 11:47:52 PM »
Hmmmm... I examined both patents and from what I saw, he has found another way to make a sparkplug. Period. I was not impressed.

Neither patent claimed that it fills the entire combustion chamber with plasma. Neither patent said anything about running an internal combustion engine on water. What it does claim is that it can reduce misfires by offering the spark more places to jump between the electrodes. The "constantly moving" spark conjures up an image of the novelty plasma touch globes, but that is an incorrect image, IMO intentionally meant to mislead. If that were the case, it would cause a terrible case of pre-ignition.

The plug uses standard spark generating components to create a standard spark which jumps the gap at the correct time. The plug will probably have a longer life than normal plugs, I don't doubt that.  The "44 - 50%" increase in mpg must have been compared to a terribly misfiring engine.

When I see "They won't allow this to be mass produced" or "Not available in stores" it translates to me as "No reputable company is willing to stand behind this product".

I don't claim to be an expert but common sense tells me that there is nothing ground-breaking here.

SHOW ME...
It has been 7 years since the patent was granted, and yet we don't see any hard numbers in their claims. We just see a good sales job.



What about the fact that they don't misfire, don't corrode, and hence would last for a VERY LONG TIME. Might you then wonder why Bosch didn't want to fund them, or buy them, knowing what it would due to their consumable products...

Or the fact that you can greatly increase the fuel to air ratio, due to the moving electrical discharge that occurs when firing which greatly increases fuel burn.

Krupa posted quite a bit on the radianth2o group, you can even talk with him there if he still visits, see the real story.

The whole water-splitting part of it, Krupa left that out of the patent, and everything else. Why? Because he wanted/wants to make his rightful millions off a sustainable product that would greatly reduce gas usage, aside from any hydrogen implications...

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2007, 12:39:18 AM »
Don''t get me wrong. I would be delighted if his claims pan out to be true.

Real science consists of critical thinking and new ideas being put to rigorous testing in an attempt to shoot holes in the theory. I have expressed doubts about this idea, but I think I made it evident that it is simply my opinion, and I have not duplicated the idea and put it to real life testing myself.

So I would be out of line in flatly saying "This won't work" without doing the actual tests myself. Until I do, what I say is still in the IMO domain.

I'll try to stay open minded, but I'd really like to see some controlled test results published by the company / individual making these claims.

I don't work for a sparkplug company nor do I own stock in one...lol

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2007, 03:51:18 AM »
The round electrode is proven to be more efficient in discharging a spark. and thus a step in the right direction
This has been proven in application for hundreds of years of high-voltage spark dischargings. (static-electric machines)


a greater surface area on the ground lead will lower the chance of misfire, but also provide multiple locations for the spark to jump to, so it moves all over the ground lead. instead of burning a hole in one single point of contact

Honestly  dont see the hype here.  aside from the round electrode this functions pretty much the same as say..
a Bosch +4  (4 semi-arc electrodes not quite touching in the center)

40% gas mileage improvement? i would have to see that tested, and on multiple vehicles.

as for the "plasma", from what i have gathered researching this subject, there is not enough power comming from the coil to create Plasma-On-Demand as is being suggested here. The sparks are still purely electrical, and are not intense enough to form plasma from the air/fuel mixture inside the chamber.
What you have is essentially a better spark. But this has since been accomplished by other means with manufactured plugs (2 and 4 ground leads instead of the old style of 1) what we have here is some guys version of the new style of spark plugs (that everyone is using right now) that never went anywhere.

Probably because his set-up is to simple that companies designed their own style, subverting his patent and thus owning the rights to their own newly developed plug.

also a thing to consider is, what would keep the spark (from a semispherical electrode) from shoting past the ground electrode and grounding to the inside of the combustion chamber?  Perhaps THIS is why the electrodes are not round to begin with??  Uni-Directional Discharge.
not that such a thing would prevent the engine from firing, but sparks could damage the inside surface of the chamber and possibly cause other engine problems. Ive seen the way the ground lead looks on an old spark plug, and i dont think i would want that to happen to the inner walls of the combustion chamber.


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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 06:31:47 AM »
as for the "plasma", from what i have gathered researching this subject, there is not enough power comming from the coil to create Plasma-On-Demand as is being suggested here.

So how much power do you need to create plasma? How much power is needed to operate a Tesla coil?

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2007, 06:31:47 AM »
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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2007, 07:17:50 AM »
Interesting topic.  I read recently that one can replace their spark plug wires with solid core copper wire (Like they did on the original Fords) and create a "plasma" spark due to the 50,000 or so volts in modern ignition coils.  Of course, this would creat RF interference for radios, etc, but, my opinion is that once you have the solid connection, one could wrap some sheilding material around the wire to offset this...possibly.  Has anyone here heard of this?  I was thinking of giving it a try on one of my vans.  I just hope it does not create a bad impedence mismatch and burn up my coils.

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2007, 12:18:57 PM »
So where is this alleged "tesla coil" effect?
Looks like a spark plug with a larger anode than normal, which logically would create a wider electrical field and a larger volume of air would be ionised before a spark occurs...
If the voltage is high enough, a spark discharge through an ionised dielectric medium such as air could always be considered to be a tiny plasma path for the duration of the discharge...
That's the principle behind the so-called "plasma welding torch". But for an actual plasma stream to be produced, large amounts of energy are needed.
I wonder how much energy is needed to get these "plasma spark plugs" to spark, and whether they actually produce plasma or rather only longer duration spark discharges...?
And I still don't see why anyone would call this a tesla coil...  ???

Who has tested these?

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2007, 11:18:44 PM »
A stock GM HEI system generates 50,000 volts. I've seen mods that boost that to 100,000 volts.

Regular spark plugs and wires have resistance built in to keep the voltage to a lower level. If you use non-resistor plugs and wires, you can get the full voltage to the gap.

Now, would this be enough to create plasma?

How many volts in a Tesla coil?

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 12:04:22 AM »
Researching this further:

I've found 50,000 volt Tesla coils online. Also, I think that there would be no need for a ground electrode on the plug, just a ball extending from the tip of the plug. The spark can then ground out anywhere in the combustion chamber.

If 100,000 volts straight won't create a plasma field, then what will?

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Re: Robert Krupa's Firestorm Spark Plugs=Plasma Generating Mini Tesla Coils
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2007, 09:35:19 PM »
found some good info here
http://www.freedomcrowsnest.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4626

The "Bosch" plugs are similar, and for sale. the 2nd last post is interesting

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9NvboKL43Q

So I guess these experiments have no real evidence of water exploding.

Faraday had discovered over a hundred years ago that an electric arc explodes louder through a water mist than through normal air. Others since have created water explosions with high voltage arcs. Since 1950 this phenomena has been used in sheet metal forming.

Researchers for a mining institute discovered that the force the water exerts is 156% of the power input through the charge and that after multiple firings there was neither a pressure nor temperature increase in the water. This would make it appear that all of the energy input to the system is released as kinetic force as well as the 56% overunity energy.

Sorry but your wrong."

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