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Title: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: hartiberlin on September 14, 2007, 11:58:02 AM
Hi All,
as I don?t want to use any Microsoft monopole operating software anymore
and Windows Vista(TM) is so bad, I really want to switch now to an open source operating system
like some of the Linux distributions.

As we will be moving into open source energy production soon,
it would be good also to use open source software on our PCs
to be free of any monopole and too expensive prices for software.

It is really a bad thing, that an operating system is still costing
more than 150 US$ !

I think an operating system should be free or less than 25 US$, so
everybody could use a genuine copy.

So, I want to switch myself now to a Linux distribution,
but as my Linux knowledge is still very low,
I opened up some new boards over here to discuss
open source operating systems, software and hardware and
tech support, FAQs, etc...
Please have a look over here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,90.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,91.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,92.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/board,93.0.html


If you think, we should even add a board for a specific topic in this
category, please let me know.

I really want to make the switch to a Linux distribution
with all the used software so far pretty soon and
many of you probably also want to do this, so
we could help each other to avoid to upgrade to Windows Vista(TM).

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 12:03:35 PM
very cool! i suggest http://www.xubuntu.org or probably http://fedoraproject.org


peace
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: hartiberlin on September 14, 2007, 12:41:33 PM
very cool! i suggest http://www.xubuntu.org or probably http://fedoraproject.org


peace

Is xubuntu.org simular to use like Windows, or do you have to learn to
surf the X surface of it first ?
Can it be configured like windows ?
Are there any application programs with it on the distribution downloadable ISO CD ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I am looking for a distribution with lots of audio and video applications
in them already.
Is there also xubuntu Studio version ?
Which version is the best to install ?
Many thanks.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: hartiberlin on September 14, 2007, 12:54:40 PM
What is the easiest way to setup a dual boot
system with Windows XP and a linux distribution ?

If I have a harddrive e.g. 320 GB with 2 or 3 partitions that are already
in NTFS format, can I just delete one partition
and repartition it during the installation process e.g. with
xubuntu or ubunto studio to the used linux file system ?

Will xubuntu or ubunto studio also install a boot manager program,
so I still can also boot Windows XP ?

So can I have Windows XP on partion C and
have Xubuntu on partition E with the linux file system ?
What is the preferred linux file system and how could
I access under Windows XP then the files I did generate
under Xubuntu and are stored on partition E ?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 12:57:17 PM
very cool! i suggest http://www.xubuntu.org or probably http://fedoraproject.org


peace

Is xubuntu.org simular to use like Windows, or do you have to learn to
surf the X surface of it first ?
Can it be configured like windows ?
Are there any application programs with it on the distribution downloadable ISO CD ?
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: I am looking for a distribution with lots of audio and video applications
in them already.
Is there also xubuntu Studio version ?
Which version is the best to install ?
Many thanks.


hi,
yes both xubuntu and fedora have iso for download FREE, both can be booted from a cd or usb without ever touching your hard drive. everything is pretty much point and click like windows. there are plenty of video and audio applications.

xubuntu has worked best for me, it found most of my hardware including my wireless card. it all depends i guess. try out a couple of distro to see which works best for your pc.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 01:07:15 PM
download the iso file to a cd. then boot from the cd...press enter when the xubuntu screens comes up. now it will run a series of tests to see if your pc is compatible, if everything goes well xubuntu will start up and you will see a desktop (like windows). then see how you like xubuntu (play around with stuff and take a look around), if you do just click the install button on your desktop. then you will have the option to slit your hard drive for dual booting installation etc.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: FreeEnergy on September 14, 2007, 01:12:04 PM
also when you  run xubuntu you can go under your windows hard drive and view all your files. you cant edit files but you can view/copy them.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: bluedemon on September 14, 2007, 03:43:22 PM
If you are setting up a dual boot system on your hard drive, it is fairly easy to do with fedora.  Once you have your partitions set up,  INSTALL WINDOWS FIRST to keep from having major headaches.  When you install fedora you can have it install the bootloader(grub or lilo), and it gives you an option to be able to dual boot with windows during the process.  If you install Windows last it will overwrite the master boot record disabling the linux bootloader.  This will leave you without access to your linux partition without using a boot disk or having to manually set things up again.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: wile_coyote7 on September 14, 2007, 04:05:02 PM
I think it would be a good idea to have a section devoted to the OpenSource movement. It's your PC....YOUR way. NOT the M$ way.

If you are looking for a really good linux distro, I have found an Ubuntu derived distro that looks great and is easy to use, maintain, and update. It works great on a PC or laptop. Check it out: http://linuxmint.com/

Actually ANY Ubuntu derived distro would be good for anyone new to linux.

I've been involved in the linux community for many years now. I am even a co-developer of a linux distro which can be seen at: http://www.7linux.com
It's still a work in progress as there are only 2 people actively developing it at the moment. It needs alot of work but it's fast and it's has  been a really great learning process for me.


REMEMBER:
This is Linux country. If you listen carefully, you can hear windows reboot...
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: rwoll on September 14, 2007, 05:51:32 PM
Hi Stefan,

if you want to use a simple way to try a Linux-Distribution with a Windows-PC:
use VMWare-Player from:
http://www.vmware.com/de/products/player
It is absolutely free and you must change nothing on your Windows-PC. It is a PC on a PC.
Then download a ready to use virtual machine from:
http://www.vmware.com/appliances
Here you will find some of the most popular linux-distros like ubuntu, suse, fedora, debian or redhat.

Regards Rainer
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: lltfdaniel1 on September 14, 2007, 06:07:47 PM
Ubuntu is not my cup of tea,well depending on what you want hopefully you come across a good linux energy application,
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: Tink on September 14, 2007, 09:11:14 PM
Ubuntu is not my cup of tea,well depending on what you want hopefully you come across a good linux energy application,


Ubuntu is Debian based Linux with a Gnome interface and I think the Gnome interface is what is troubling people when they first try Linux (it troubled me at first to be honest).
Oroshay said in an other thread that he liked PCLinuxOS best of all distro's and from what I have read so far it seems a good and fast (faster than Ubuntu and 20 times faster than XP at least,... they say) distro.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/
I haven't tried it yet so can't say much more than what I have read on the net about PCLinuxOS
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: wattsup on September 15, 2007, 12:42:56 AM
Windows XP is still a good operating system, but if you want to remove the fat, see here;

http://www.litepc.com/

Never format NTFS cause you can't see it under dos. Always FAT32. Works just as well. NTFS is a dead end for critical support issues involving access to the hardrive under dos to fix things. So you are always forced to re-install. Never us partition magic. Always format the hard drive and make the drives first.

My drives go from C to W.

C holds windows and windows programs only.
D holds all other programs plus all browsers and email clients.
E holds all my water related documents.
F holds all Overunity documents
H holds all websites, apache, Perl (another hobby)  before they are deployed on the net.
J holds all downloaded programs before they are installed (500+)
K holds all cache folders, pagefile.sys, internet caches, all caches is here.
L holds a mirror copy of my C drive, this is possible with one command because the pagefile.sys is on another drive.
M holds Song
N holds Videos, Google downloads.
etc, etc.

This keeps the C drive clean and rarely grows in size.

As for Linux, can't say. I tried it years ago. Didn't like it then. Maybe today it's better, for sure.

You can have a very secure Windows XP if you do not install Outlook Express and alot of the other endless windows bloating crap.

All the best.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: hartiberlin on September 15, 2007, 01:51:05 AM
Windows XP is still a good operating system, but if you want to remove the fat, see here;

http://www.litepc.com/

Never format NTFS cause you can't see it under dos. Always FAT32. Works just as well. NTFS is a dead end for critical support issues involving access to the hardrive under dos to fix things. So you are always forced to re-install. Never us partition magic. Always format the hard drive and make the drives first.

My drives go from C to W.

C holds windows and windows programs only.
D holds all other programs plus all browsers and email clients.
E holds all my water related documents.
F holds all Overunity documents
H holds all websites, apache, Perl (another hobby)  before they are deployed on the net.
J holds all downloaded programs before they are installed (500+)
K holds all cache folders, pagefile.sys, internet caches, all caches is here.
L holds a mirror copy of my C drive, this is possible with one command because the pagefile.sys is on another drive.
M holds Song
N holds Videos, Google downloads.
etc, etc.

This keeps the C drive clean and rarely grows in size.

As for Linux, can't say. I tried it years ago. Didn't like it then. Maybe today it's better, for sure.

You can have a very secure Windows XP if you do not install Outlook Express and alot of the other endless windows bloating crap.

All the best.

Good ideas to do it this way,
but when working with video you need files bigger than 4 GB, so
FAT 32 is a no go !
What is wrong with partition magic ?

How big is your drice C: ?
Can you save it to a DVD-R for backup reasons ?
What is the best method to move all the caches and pagefile.sys , etc. ,
onto a different drive than C: ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: How can you change best and easily your hardisk into multiple partitions
when you already have only 1 or 2 partitions ?
Is there a good freeware program to do this ?
Or should one only do this Partition Magic ?
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: wattsup on September 16, 2007, 12:39:04 AM
Hi Stefan;

Here are the answers to your questions.

Q: Good ideas to do it this way, but when working with video you need files bigger than 4 GB, so FAT 32 is a no go !

A: If you have large files such as video, when you partition the drive into several drives, make one or two drives with NTFS but keep the C and D drive Fat32.

Q: What is wrong with partition magic ?

A: The problem with PM is that  you are partition a hard drive that is already in use, so all the sectors are already used or designated. When you add another partition, it will take space from here and there and everywhere it can to make a new drive letter. This fragments the data on your drive even more. Also, if PM crashes while you do this, you could lose all you data. Risky.

When you parition your drive when it is empty, or completely formatted, when you then partition the drive this is called low level partitions and the segments are more sectorial. Less fragmented sections so you maintian a quicker working drive. Much safer also.

Q: How big is your drive C: ?

A: My C drive is 10 gig only. That's all I need because I only have windows progams like Windows XP, MS Office. Since it is small, when I do a Defrag, it does it much more quickly then if I had a 200 gig C drive. Quickly means less time for anything to wrong during the defrag process.

All the rest of my programs are on the D: drive under a folder I created  called Program Files. So when I install a program and it asks if putting it under C:\Profram Files\New Program Name all you have to do is change the C for a D and bingo it's installed on the D drive.

Q: Can you save it to a DVD-R for backup reasons ?

Y: Yes, as long as the pagefile.sys in on another drive, you won't get the copy error.

Q: What is the best method to move all the caches and pagefile.sys , etc., onto a different drive than C: ?

A: For Pagefile.sys

Go to Control Panel and open the System, choose Advanced and choose Performance and choose Advanced. Under Virtual Memory choose Change.

Highlight the C drive and choose No Paging File. You will see a promot choose Yes.

Highlight the drive letter you want to use for the pagefile.sys. Click on Custom Size and put 20 in the Initial Size and 25 in the Maximum Size. Click Set. You will get a promot to re-boot the computer. Do it now or later.
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For Temporary Internet Files
used by Internet Explorer

Open IE, go to Tools, Internet options. Withthe General Tab open choose under Temporary Internet Files - Settings.

Click Move Folder and browse until you identify the Drive and folder to store the files. Click OK.
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For Firefox

Type "about:cache" in the url field and hit enter.

Find the line
browser.cache.disk.parent_directory

and modify the value to where your drive/folder and/or sub-folder it located.

Q: How can you change best and easily your hardisk into multiple partitions when you already have only 1 or 2 partitions ?
Is there a good freeware program to do this ?
Or should one only do this Partition Magic ?

A: If the hard drive is already partitioned, PM is the only one I know of that will do, but again it is always risky. It's like defragmenting your hard drive during a thunder storm. If power cuts, information on your drive could be lost.

General

Usually, these things are best done when the hard drive is new and not formatted yet. Best drives I like are Maxtor and they have a great progran that partitions at low level called MaxBlast. Otherwise you can use Windows Installation Disk for a new install and it will prompt you to partition and format the drive before it installs windows.

Hope this is helpful.
Title: Re: New Categories about Open Source operating systems and software/hardware
Post by: Thaelin on September 18, 2007, 11:53:26 AM
Hi Stephan:
   And above all "MAKE A SEPERATE USER FOR USE". Never run admin account for your user. You can do catastrophic things that cant be undone. When you try an admin function under your usr name, it will prompt for admin password.
   I have been using linux from while Linus was still in college. Circa  Slakware 1.25. Still have the disk sets of over 50 and the CD's. You had a generic core to boot from and then you had to decide what options you wanted. Then re compile it and hope all went well. Getting X to run was a major pain most of the time.

At the moment I run Zandros, Ubunto and Mandrake which I believe all are the Debain flavor.

Thaelin
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