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Offline Prophmaji

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ER1200 water torch
« on: September 13, 2007, 03:55:07 AM »
I have a ER 1200 water torch, and it has been upgraded to a ER1600 with a few extra capacitors. This unit will, under optimum 'fill' (amount of water in it) conditions, produce up to 1600 liters of HHO per hour.

If you come up with a relatively interesting experiment, I can carry it out, here on the forum. Complete with photos, etc. This may be used to answer a question or two you may have about what exactly browns gas, or HHO can actually do-or not do.

Let me know. (post your request here)


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ER1200 water torch
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Offline btester1

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2007, 04:28:29 AM »
It would be interesting to see some kind of heating experiment.

I'm wondering how much hho to heat a cup of water. How fast.

Can you make your own heater to heat a house.

What kind of materials heat up faster, as in making a heating element of some sort.

Good idea anyway.

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 05:02:21 PM »
water and metals are difficult to heat.

High resitstance materials heat INCREDIBLY fast.

I've had magnesium alloy glow super white hot, like a solar flare....but NEVER dissapear or melt. It bubbles to a foamy like  material, about three times it's original size.It goes to being like a little light rock, to being like a mini-wheat cereal bit. (ie foamed corn syryp and solids)

Glass, being of high resistance, practically explodes as the 'flame' touches it. Quartz does the same.

Water will boil away very very slowly. I've spent over 1/2 hour attempting to boil a cup (8 ounces/250-275ml) of water. This is seemingly due to it being conductive and a hydrodynamic fluid.

Copper, steel, but most specifically pure elements, are the hardest to heat. Most specifically, elements that are electrically transmissive in their solidus phase.

Ceramics, etc, anything highly resistive, and has a high resistence in the liquidus phase (above melting point) are nearly explosive and emit great huge gobs of white light, ie, incredibly bright. With the right light sensor and neutral filter...it can be used to do element analysis. The kind that cannot be done in any other way.

Tungsten goes to it's oxidized phase immediately, and the rest of the rod remains unchanged. Only the tungsten immediately near the flame is oxidized,and turned into a oxide and 'gas'. So, it's a very, very, very slow -'straight to gaseous phase' situation with tungsten. Which supports the idea that HHO CANNOT sublimate tungsten, or, that it does..but ONLY via oxidation.

Everything indicates that it actually IS a 'molecular spin down' plasma energy that heats via 'ajacent to that molecule it is tearing apart' - thermal addition.

What I mean is that the material being worked on by the 'flame' in the immediate sense, tears away from the main mass, is oxidized, via this 'molecular spin down effect' and the thermal effects are occurring in the ajacent molecular structures, via radiation from the materials that are being broken down. The evidence of the tungsten rod supports this effect, same as that of water.

I've created some bizzare alloys via this device, even rubies when messing with copper and silicates.

Ie, glassy copper alloys Or, if you will transparent copper.


The HHO gas returns to atomic from expanded mono-atomic state-electrical plasma flame-but at at individual atomic structure dynamic fluid state effect, thus the 'flame' effect.

So, an electrical fluid propogation through the expanded gas, as a 'shock wave'....popping all the gaseous expanded HHO, in a dynamic flow fluid effect. The flame is electrical in nature, and it is energy release from the reduction from expansion back to the 'normal' state. HHO self collapes, above about 21 PSI. It is quite explosive at this point but it is a collapsing effect, endothermic, not exothermic. The plasma flame that HHO is, has been found to run at about 8500m/second. (the collapsing wave function of the electrical transfer in the expanded fluid)

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Re: ER1200 water torch
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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 06:16:32 PM »
Thanks Prophmaji,

That was very interesting. Can the flame be used to "drill" holes in glass, with little heating to the surrounding glass and, thus, less chance of breaking the object by thermal stresses?


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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 06:58:40 PM »
Is it possible to heat a high resistive material which in turn heats up the water in a cup for example.
Or will the material break down under the flame.
Ceramic I would have thought worked but it looks like it completely destroys it.
Maybe it's good to experiment with different elements.

I know it might be expensive undertaking. But take some radioactive material and see if stops it.
Get a geiger counter, before and after. That would be interesting to see.







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Offline Prophmaji

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2007, 09:32:43 AM »
Thanks Prophmaji,

That was very interesting. Can the flame be used to "drill" holes in glass, with little heating to the surrounding glass and, thus, less chance of breaking the object by thermal stresses?



If the flame comes near glass thinner than about two inches thick, it will virtually explode the glass on contact. it disrupts the surface molecular structure ...immediately. I'm using the word flame, but it is not a flame as you traditionally know it. It is more of an 'interesting energy interaction region' than anything else.

once again, glass is highly electrically resistive and the effect is abrupt and intense. Brick makes for a nice white light flare.


 

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 03:23:43 PM »
Dear ProphMaji:

I'm fascinated by the mention of "transparent copper" You say you have actually made a copper silicate alloy!?!?!? That could alone revolutionize materials science!!!

Wheter HHO generation is OU or not, I think it has enough weird properties to be of interest per se and it's a shame science pays nil attention to this fantastic phenomena.

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Offline Prophmaji

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 06:00:50 PM »
Due to the way that the HHO gas works, it's difficult to say wether it is truly transparent copper or not, through simple eyeball observation. I stated that to get people thinking a bit.

One other thing that it can also be is..... semiconductive silicate copper. It is measurably semiconductive. It is copper mixed with a small bit of silicate and is now notably semi-conductive as opposed to conductive at the standard copper levels. A glassy kind of copper, but not in terms of perfect clarty, actually it's black. Copper oxide. The oxidizing effect that seems to be the main action of the gas during 'spin down' clouds the issue, literally. The action upon the tungsten seems to be clearly indicating an oxidation aspect.

It's one hell of a lot harder than copper is, on it's own. We're talking about small amounts of silicate in the copper, as well. Lots of crystalization.

As for it revolutionizing materials science, yes, that is abundantly true. There's gotta be a few hundred billion $ hiding away there, in the use and understandings of what can be done with it, stricly on the alloys issue alone.

As to the resistive vs conductive and solidus vs liquidus aspects of the 'action' upon the given element..this indicates at it is likely possible to alloy metals or materials that have melting temps that could be 1500 degrees apart, for example. This alone will create glassy or amorphous alloys.

What I do, as the 'flame' will sublimate the higest temperature crucibles immediately..is to use the flame to carve a groove in a firebrick. Then I fill that groove or trench..with lets say copper..or even CR-V tool steel. Then mix the silicates from the brick into it when it is melted, in the trench. Then I let it cool..and bust it open.

I get something like a crystallized geode, most of the time.

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 06:55:23 PM »
Due to the way that the HHO gas works, it's difficult to say wether it is truly transparent copper or not, through simple eyeball observation. I stated that to get people thinking a bit.

One other thing that it can also be is..... semiconductive silicate copper. It is measurably semiconductive. It is copper mixed with a small bit of silicate and is now notably semi-conductive as opposed to conductive at the standard copper levels. A glassy kind of copper, but not in terms of perfect clarty, actually it's black. Copper oxide. The oxidizing effect that seems to be the main action of the gas during 'spin down' clouds the issue, literally. The action upon the tungsten seems to be clearly indicating an oxidation aspect.

It's one hell of a lot harder than copper is, on it's own. We're talking about small amounts of silicate in the copper, as well. Lots of crystalization.

As for it revolutionizing materials science, yes, that is abundantly true. There's gotta be a few hundred billion $ hiding away there, in the use and understandings of what can be done with it, stricly on the alloys issue alone.

As to the resistive vs conductive and solidus vs liquidus aspects of the 'action' upon the given element..this indicates at it is likely possible to alloy metals or materials that have melting temps that could be 1500 degrees apart, for example. This alone will create glassy or amorphous alloys.

What I do, as the 'flame' will sublimate the higest temperature crucibles immediately..is to use the flame to carve a groove in a firebrick. Then I fill that groove or trench..with lets say copper..or even CR-V tool steel. Then mix the silicates from the brick into it when it is melted, in the trench. Then I let it cool..and bust it open.

I get something like a crystallized geode, most of the time.

This stuff is really fascinating Proph. The unit you have is the one that is sold by Denny Klein?

I recall that once I made some very rough numbers with the data he provided about power consumption and HHO gas production, and based on an stimate of the energy content of the HHO gas (as hard as a data to obtain as is that one), I concluded that it was an OU process, but not enough OU to self sustain in a normal ICE generator setup. I wonder if a Tesla turbine would do the trick of getting the power from the HHO produced with enough efficiency to make the system self sustaining.

Those metal-silicon "alloys" you are having fun with seem worthy of their own chapter for material development.

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Re: ER1200 water torch
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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2007, 09:25:25 PM »
@Prophmaji: can u pls show us some pics of copper sillicate(glass) material ?

i am building an electrolisys unit for purposes of welding.....

you can see it at http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3249.0.html

SeBaW

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2007, 04:47:05 PM »
Here's a shot....of one of the less interesting ones

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2007, 05:28:40 PM »
water and metals are difficult to heat.

High resitstance materials heat INCREDIBLY fast.

I've had magnesium alloy glow super white hot, like a solar flare....but NEVER dissapear or melt. It bubbles to a foamy like  material, about three times it's original size.It goes to being like a little light rock, to being like a mini-wheat cereal bit. (ie foamed corn syryp and solids)

Glass, being of high resistance, practically explodes as the 'flame' touches it. Quartz does the same.

Water will boil away very very slowly. I've spent over 1/2 hour attempting to boil a cup (8 ounces/250-275ml) of water. This is seemingly due to it being conductive and a hydrodynamic fluid.

Copper, steel, but most specifically pure elements, are the hardest to heat. Most specifically, elements that are electrically transmissive in their solidus phase.

Ceramics, etc, anything highly resistive, and has a high resistence in the liquidus phase (above melting point) are nearly explosive and emit great huge gobs of white light, ie, incredibly bright. With the right light sensor and neutral filter...it can be used to do element analysis. The kind that cannot be done in any other way.

Tungsten goes to it's oxidized phase immediately, and the rest of the rod remains unchanged. Only the tungsten immediately near the flame is oxidized,and turned into a oxide and 'gas'. So, it's a very, very, very slow -'straight to gaseous phase' situation with tungsten. Which supports the idea that HHO CANNOT sublimate tungsten, or, that it does..but ONLY via oxidation.

Everything indicates that it actually IS a 'molecular spin down' plasma energy that heats via 'ajacent to that molecule it is tearing apart' - thermal addition.

What I mean is that the material being worked on by the 'flame' in the immediate sense, tears away from the main mass, is oxidized, via this 'molecular spin down effect' and the thermal effects are occurring in the ajacent molecular structures, via radiation from the materials that are being broken down. The evidence of the tungsten rod supports this effect, same as that of water.

I've created some bizzare alloys via this device, even rubies when messing with copper and silicates.

Ie, glassy copper alloys Or, if you will transparent copper.


The HHO gas returns to atomic from expanded mono-atomic state-electrical plasma flame-but at at individual atomic structure dynamic fluid state effect, thus the 'flame' effect.

So, an electrical fluid propogation through the expanded gas, as a 'shock wave'....popping all the gaseous expanded HHO, in a dynamic flow fluid effect. The flame is electrical in nature, and it is energy release from the reduction from expansion back to the 'normal' state. HHO self collapes, above about 21 PSI. It is quite explosive at this point but it is a collapsing effect, endothermic, not exothermic. The plasma flame that HHO is, has been found to run at about 8500m/second. (the collapsing wave function of the electrical transfer in the expanded fluid)

Hi Prophmaji,
Nice tests
Have you tried a container eg a cup of some sort, made of a high resistive material, where there is water in the cup, and torch the bottom or sides of it?
Will you get the water to boil fairly fast due to the heat conduction from the cup walls to the water?
A possibility of ?low energy input via HHO? to boil -> steam water etc?

Thanks

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2007, 10:19:35 PM »
Here's a shot....of one of the less interesting ones


Thanks for the picture Prophmaji, that's copper and glass together, right ?

sebaw
« Last Edit: September 22, 2007, 12:27:05 AM by sebaw »

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2007, 04:07:52 AM »
Hi Prophmaji,
Nice tests
Have you tried a container eg a cup of some sort, made of a high resistive material, where there is water in the cup, and torch the bottom or sides of it?
Will you get the water to boil fairly fast due to the heat conduction from the cup walls to the water?
A possibility of “low energy input via HHO” to boil -> steam water etc?

Thanks


Yes. Abundantly so, IIRC. Wether it is efficent to do so, is an expereniment I've not done. Not likely to do it soon either. The flame will eat any container the water is in.

I'm off in a different direction; I'll leave that one to the interested. :)

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Re: ER1200 water torch
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2007, 04:43:27 AM »
hho is claimed to reduce radioactivity.

I would like to see this experiment.

Get a geiger counter with various radioactive compounds.
Test radioactivity before and after. You can get a geiger counter off of ebay for under 100 bucks.

Would be very interesting.
You would cause a controversy. This is something physics couldn't explain.
At least I've never heard of something that effects radioactive decay rates.




 

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