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Author Topic: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on  (Read 10615 times)

Offline erickdt

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An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« on: September 11, 2007, 10:13:32 PM »
Hello all,

I've been a long time observer of this site and I figured it was about time to contribute:

Here's one of a few ideas that I've had over the years. The basic idea is as the "wheel" (which is made up of four armitures oriented at 45% angles) turns clockwise it meets with a 1/4 round "ramp" at the bottom of the cycle. When an armiture comes to this ramp the wheels on its end are turned counterclockwise, that movement is transferred to a gear which is in turn transferred to a smaller gear which turns clockwise, which is attached to a pulley which is attached to a cable. As the wheels and attached gears turn the pulley pulls a cable which goes to the other side of the armiture which pulls on the wieght and moves the weight from the side that is in contact with the ramp to the opposite side (past the center point) creating a constant imbalance. Thoughts?

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Offline erickdt

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2007, 02:12:21 PM »
Hmm, no feedback?

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 02:41:06 PM »
I can hear people rushing to the machine shop....
Looks good to me, but what do I know
Good luck!

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2007, 02:41:06 PM »
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Offline Humbugger

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 02:45:56 PM »
Okay...well...I don't think it will work.  But I couldn't prove it.  Of course, I'm the kind of old codger that thinks nothing proposed here will work most of the time, so don't let my opinion slow you down.

How does it get started would be my first question,  then what stops it from accellerating once it goes?  It seems pretty complicated with potentially a lot of friction.  It must have been a lot of fun to design and draw.  Looks expensive to try to build one.

You misspell "armature", that's another comment.  Your drawings are very nicely done and neatly arranged.  Is that SolidWorks? 

I didn't want your first post to go without some kind of answer!  Welcome to OU.com!



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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2007, 02:53:57 PM »
Well, the design looks sound enough, but it kinda strikes me as something that would probably start off running ok with a little push but eventually "equalize" itself. Half the weights would be working to keep the motor going while the other half would be working to stop it. I think that's what all the belts and pullies are for; to try to minimize the equalization that will undoubtedly occur. Even with the belts and such, it looks like it would just be adding more drag into the system and eventually grind to a halt.

Anyway....I'm not an engineer or anything, so take my observations VERY lightly.  :-\


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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2007, 02:54:23 PM »
Hmm, no feedback?

Hi Erick,
from which action should come any overunity effect ?
Please explain.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2007, 03:52:20 PM »
Okay...well...I don't think it will work.  But I couldn't prove it.  Of course, I'm the kind of old codger that thinks nothing proposed here will work most of the time, so don't let my opinion slow you down.

How does it get started would be my first question,  then what stops it from accellerating once it goes?  It seems pretty complicated with potentially a lot of friction.  It must have been a lot of fun to design and draw.  Looks expensive to try to build one.

You misspell "armature", that's another comment.  Your drawings are very nicely done and neatly arranged.  Is that SolidWorks? 

I didn't want your first post to go without some kind of answer!  Welcome to OU.com!


Humbugger

Thanks for your reply!

I'm thinking that it would start as soon as you put it together. No push or anything like that. As for stopping it: I hadn't relly though too much about that aspect of it. I'm thinking that to totally stop it you could move it away from the 1/4 round ramp (move the rotational axis to the right). At this point this function is not designed into my idea.

Thanks for pointing out my spelling mistake! Whoops!

I modelled this drawing first in FormZ and then imported it into AutoCAD 2007 as is my usual method of working.

 

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
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Offline erickdt

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2007, 03:58:03 PM »
Well, the design looks sound enough, but it kinda strikes me as something that would probably start off running ok with a little push but eventually "equalize" itself. Half the weights would be working to keep the motor going while the other half would be working to stop it. I think that's what all the belts and pullies are for; to try to minimize the equalization that will undoubtedly occur. Even with the belts and such, it looks like it would just be adding more drag into the system and eventually grind to a halt.

Anyway....I'm not an engineer or anything, so take my observations VERY lightly.  :-\



I agree that there is probably an excess of mechanical parts/functions thereby causing what is probably an un-necessary waste of energy. The purpose of all of these mechanical parts/functions is to ensure that there is a constant imbalance, one that would commence as soon as the machine is assembled.

The "X factor" for me on this design is this: Is the leverage created on the right side of the machine enough to lift the weight on the left side to the rotational axis to the fulcrum of the rotational axis where it will have a null effect?

Offline erickdt

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 04:09:21 PM »
Hmm, no feedback?

Hi Erick,
from which action should come any overunity effect ?
Please explain.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.

I'm not sure that I would describe what I'm trying to do here would be described as over-unity. As I said in my previous replies, I am thinking that the machine should auto-rotate as soon as it's fully assembled. There would be no starting push or anything like that. The idea is that the machine would work completely off of gravity. That's the idea at least.


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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2007, 04:09:21 PM »
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Offline wile_coyote7

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2007, 05:10:37 PM »
The problem is, as I see it.......one side of the device (the side using gravity to move down), will have (at the same time) to fight gravity on the other side. What's interesting though is the possibility of the pullies changing the center of gravity on the "up" swing side by pulling the weights in toward the central hub (to the inside of the "arm") while the "down" swing side has the weights pulled away from the central hub (to the outside of the "arm").

I think the one thing that would really be an enemy to this motor is the added load from the pullies and of course friction.

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2007, 09:55:56 PM »
I should think that back torque against the ramp will kill this design - nice presentation btw.

Here is something similar but with less moving parts.

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Offline erickdt

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2007, 10:45:10 PM »
I should think that back torque against the ramp will kill this design - nice presentation btw.

Here is something similar but with less moving parts.

Hmmm, <strokes non-existant beard>... Thanks for the info. The difference between mine and this one is that the weights in mine transit over the rotational axis. By the time any particular arm reaches the 7:30 o-clock (negative 45 degrees) point the weight on that arm (theoretically) is located directly centered on the rotational axis thereby having a null effect. This way there is no weight what so ever to the left side of the rotational axis on any arm past the 7:30 o-clock point (negative 45 degrees) theoretically taking any counter clockwise torque out of the equation all together. Thoughts?

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2007, 10:57:42 PM »
very fine drawings! Congratulations to your AutoCad-experience. When balanced right thru best geometry and identical weights and levers, which is difficult enough, the only thing what happens will be: it turns one stage from 8 (no total revolution), then it rests. the best you can get, is a configuration which allows to overcome each stage at lowest possible resistance under influence of an external force. no endless motion here.
« Last Edit: September 12, 2007, 11:33:36 PM by Joh70 »

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2007, 11:37:53 PM »
get working model 2d if you haven't already.

http://hackersclub.net/unity/download.php?view.5

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Re: An idea I wanted to get some feedback on
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2007, 11:46:06 PM »
When you consider the amount of linear motion required on each rotation of each arm there is alote of lost energy....

 

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